Just confirming my notion that too many people are idiots or don't pay attention...either blowing right through inoperative lights at intersections or not knowing how to even properly do a 4 way stop.
Treat it as a 4 way stop, HUUH!
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You must live in my area.
Have to keep your head on a swivel that's for sure.
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What really sucks is the ****ty drivers who blow through intersections without a care in the world make the timid drivers hesitate at four way stops and screw up the rhythm of the entire intersection.
CheeseSndwch said:
What really sucks is the ****ty drivers who blow through intersections without a care in the world make the timid drivers hesitate at four way stops and screw up the rhythm of the entire intersection.
Had this convo last night. My Bf was griping about how people were comping to a complete stop at intersections where there were no other cars trying to cross. I told him people are overly cautious/scared.
It's definitely a balancing act. You don't want to stop traffic when there is no reason to, but you can't blow though it either because that freaks people out.
Also so many people tailgating behind the cars in front of them so they didn't have to stop. This is especially bad at the large 4-6 lane intersections where there are multiple through and left turn lanes. Saw 2-3 cars just tagging along behind the lead car and not stopping to take turns with the other corners.
It's not a balancing act. State transportation code says the intersection becomes a stop sign if the signal isn't working. It doesn't matter if there is no reason to stop. The reason is it's now a stop sign.TXTransplant said:CheeseSndwch said:
What really sucks is the ****ty drivers who blow through intersections without a care in the world make the timid drivers hesitate at four way stops and screw up the rhythm of the entire intersection.
It's definitely a balancing act. You don't want to stop traffic when there is no reason to, but you can't blow though it either because that freaks people out.
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BINGO. LOL @ balancing act. It quite literally is not.TxAg82 said:It's not a balancing act. State transportation code says the intersection becomes a stop sign if the signal isn't working. It doesn't matter if there is no reason to stop. The reason is it's now a stop sign.TXTransplant said:CheeseSndwch said:
What really sucks is the ****ty drivers who blow through intersections without a care in the world make the timid drivers hesitate at four way stops and screw up the rhythm of the entire intersection.
It's definitely a balancing act. You don't want to stop traffic when there is no reason to, but you can't blow though it either because that freaks people out.
Close to our house, two of the lights are down completely - like not even dangling, so no lights at all. The cross street has lights and they are working. I disovererd this morning that those driving on the cross street are following their lights, while those on the street I was on are treating it as 4 way stop. This isn't going to end well.
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Need to call 911 about that, and get the sheriff or constable to turn off the other lights.
Yo, 'gramming on da phone while swervin' through an intersection is much more important than your piddly little safety.
Head Ninja In Charge said:BINGO. LOL @ balancing act. It quite literally is not.TxAg82 said:It's not a balancing act. State transportation code says the intersection becomes a stop sign if the signal isn't working. It doesn't matter if there is no reason to stop. The reason is it's now a stop sign.TXTransplant said:CheeseSndwch said:
What really sucks is the ****ty drivers who blow through intersections without a care in the world make the timid drivers hesitate at four way stops and screw up the rhythm of the entire intersection.
It's definitely a balancing act. You don't want to stop traffic when there is no reason to, but you can't blow though it either because that freaks people out.
I somewhat disagree. I understand what the law is. But if you're driving through an intersection and there is no one at the other points (not just because there are no cars, but because one side of the intersection doesn't actually go anywhere or leads to a business or school that is closed), coming to a complete hard stop does prevent traffic from flowing for anyone behind you.
I liken it to people who slow down/stop in a roundabout when you can clearly see there is no one else coming.
I'm not advocating for blowing through with your foot on the gas, but a little common sense can apply here. Sadly, no one has this.
What's interesting in my area is people seem to be stopping at all the minor intersections where yielding could be safely done, yet they are blowing through the major ones that are actually more dangerous because they are busier. Makes absolutely no sense.
You seem like someone who has never gotten pulled over by a cop hiding and waiting for people to california roll through a stop sign. IDGAF if my full stop at a stop sign inconveniences the guy behind me for an extra 5 seconds
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Are you taking about an intersection with no stop signs, yield signs, inoperable lights...nothing? On either street? RonBurgundyIDontBelieveYou.gif The only place i ever see those is waaaay out in the sticks
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Knowing that 99% of drivers in sw houston don't know how to handle 4 way stops, it's best to just learn how to sense weakness and never show it. Any hesitation at a 4 way results in a lost turn
Its a full stop when its a flashing red light. There isn't any discretion about this.
Because people sometimes roll through it, thats what gives other drivers caution when trying to navigate multiple cars at the intersection...they don't know if other drivers know they 100% have to stop at a flashing red light.
Because people sometimes roll through it, thats what gives other drivers caution when trying to navigate multiple cars at the intersection...they don't know if other drivers know they 100% have to stop at a flashing red light.
People don't know the right of way flow at normal 4 ways and now the lights being off is even harder. I hate the left turners that try to go first as much as the folks going straight that wait for the left turners.
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The Chick-fil-A s with no power need to get their people out to work these intersections.
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Are you taking about an intersection with no stop signs, yield signs, inoperable lights...nothing? On either street? RonBurgundyIDontBelieveYou.gif The only place i ever see those is waaaay out in the sticks
I'm not way out in the sticks, but I am talking about intersections where during normal operation the light(s) are only triggered if there is a car sitting at the light to trigger it. Otherwise, through traffic always has the green light. Lights are set up this way typically because the intersection isn't busy with a lot of cross traffic.
Think a main road with say a school or a small shopping on one side. So, the light for cross traffic doesn't change until a car is sitting there to turn. Until that happens the main traffic flow stays green.
We were actually out towards Magnolia yesterday, and there were a lot of intersections "under construction" - meaning the pole for the light is up but there are no lights on it (and crossroad doesn't actually go anywhere yet - it's just a dead end) and people were slamming on breaks to stop at those. They'd be traveling 40 mph, see the post for the light at the last second (not realizing it doesn't even have any lights on it yet) and slam on the breaks to come to complete stop. At a light that wouldn't even be working if the power was on!
We didn't see a single light last night that was flashing red. They were all completely out.
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Its a full stop when its a flashing red light. There isn't any discretion about this.
Because people sometimes roll through it, thats what gives other drivers caution when trying to navigate multiple cars at the intersection...they don't know if other drivers know they 100% have to stop at a flashing red light.
So, none of the lights we went through last night were flashing red. They were all completely dead.
The lights out at freeway intersections are even worse. Not sure why, but people feel like the second light they get to should be a green light for them and not another all way stop. I work right off BW8 and have watched multiple people do this each time I've approached the intersection. I do find it quite funny (I get why) that the toll stations damn sure have backup power to get that money but the intersection 1/4 mile away does not.
It was crazy bad during after the derecho. One lady blew through and almost hit me, saw her coming so stopped, but if I wasn't paying attention it would have been a bad T-bone accident. I honked at her and of course she honked back and gave me the bird. Then watched her blow through another intersection without even tapping the brakes. Almost T-boned someone there, too....
People are terrible drivers when conditions are perfect......with traffic lights out...I'm staying off the road unless I have to.
It was crazy bad during after the derecho. One lady blew through and almost hit me, saw her coming so stopped, but if I wasn't paying attention it would have been a bad T-bone accident. I honked at her and of course she honked back and gave me the bird. Then watched her blow through another intersection without even tapping the brakes. Almost T-boned someone there, too....
People are terrible drivers when conditions are perfect......with traffic lights out...I'm staying off the road unless I have to.
Also treated as stop sign. Same as flashing red. And even more important to stop.TXTransplant said:Tex117 said:
Its a full stop when its a flashing red light. There isn't any discretion about this.
Because people sometimes roll through it, thats what gives other drivers caution when trying to navigate multiple cars at the intersection...they don't know if other drivers know they 100% have to stop at a flashing red light.
So, none of the lights we went through last night were flashing red. They were all completely dead.
Yup. Its a pain in the azz. One can see the logic in treating each one like a stop sign though. People are bad enough drivers as is...let alone introducing something like discretion.Quote:Quote:
Are you taking about an intersection with no stop signs, yield signs, inoperable lights...nothing? On either street? RonBurgundyIDontBelieveYou.gif The only place i ever see those is waaaay out in the sticks
I'm not way out in the sticks, but I am talking about intersections where during normal operation the light(s) are only triggered if there is a car sitting at the light to trigger it. Otherwise, through traffic always has the green light. Lights are set up this way typically because the intersection isn't busy with a lot of cross traffic.
Think a main road with say a school or a small shopping on one side. So, the light for cross traffic doesn't change until a car is sitting there to turn. Until that happens the main traffic flow stays green.
We were actually out towards Magnolia yesterday, and there were a lot of intersections "under construction" - meaning the pole for the light is up but there are no lights on it (and crossroad doesn't actually go anywhere yet - it's just a dead end) and people were slamming on breaks to stop at those. They'd be traveling 40 mph, see the post for the light at the last second (not realizing it doesn't even have any lights on it yet) and slam on the breaks to come to complete stop. At a light that wouldn't even be working if the power was on!
We didn't see a single light last night that was flashing red. They were all completely out.
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TXTransplant said:
I am talking about intersections where during normal operation the light(s) are only triggered if there is a car sitting at the light to trigger it. Otherwise, through traffic has the green light.
Think a main road with say a school or a small shopping on one side. So, the light for cross traffic doesn't change until a car is sitting there to turn. Until that happens the main traffic flow stays green.
Sure sounds like you're advocating running red lights
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Again. There really isn't a debate here.
(i) An operator of a vehicle facing a traffic-control signal, other than a freeway entrance ramp control signal or a pedestrian hybrid beacon, that does not display an indication in any of the signal heads shall stop as provided by Section 544.010 as if the intersection had a stop sign.
(i) An operator of a vehicle facing a traffic-control signal, other than a freeway entrance ramp control signal or a pedestrian hybrid beacon, that does not display an indication in any of the signal heads shall stop as provided by Section 544.010 as if the intersection had a stop sign.
I can't believe someone with a college education is rationalizing blowing through inoperable intersections without stopping.
I've always thought how people behave at a 4-way stop when the power is out is a good indicator of how thin the line is between civilization and chaos.
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I can't believe someone with a college education is rationalizing blowing through inoperable intersections without stopping.
People will rationalize anything. Literally anything. It's a sight to behold.
At busy intersections or ones where you can't clearly see all four sides, absolutely.
I agree with the previous poster who said stay off the roads with no power. Last night was the first time I'd been out. And the number of people who would speed up to an intersection where you could clearly see there were no other cars waiting to cross only to slam on breaks at the last second was a little unnerving. They clearly weren't paying attention at all - not to the fact that the light was out nor that there was not another car to slam on breaks to avoid.
I agree with the previous poster who said stay off the roads with no power. Last night was the first time I'd been out. And the number of people who would speed up to an intersection where you could clearly see there were no other cars waiting to cross only to slam on breaks at the last second was a little unnerving. They clearly weren't paying attention at all - not to the fact that the light was out nor that there was not another car to slam on breaks to avoid.
People don't stop at red lights when they are operating properly.
Why should they stop at a light that's out?
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Why should they stop at a light that's out?
I am part of the problem and you're the victim...
Charismatic Megafauna said:TXTransplant said:
I am talking about intersections where during normal operation the light(s) are only triggered if there is a car sitting at the light to trigger it. Otherwise, through traffic has the green light.
Think a main road with say a school or a small shopping on one side. So, the light for cross traffic doesn't change until a car is sitting there to turn. Until that happens the main traffic flow stays green.
Sure sounds like you're advocating running red lights
By the letter of the law, yeah, I am. It's definitely something that would get you a ticket, similar to getting one for not making an absolute complete stop at a red light before making a right hand turn, when you can clearly see there is no traffic coming.
I'd bet most people criticizing me here have done that.
You are a great poster TxTransplant, but there just isn't any debate to be had about stopping at every light that is out.TXTransplant said:
At busy intersections or ones where you can't clearly see all four sides, absolutely.
I agree with the previous poster who said stay off the roads with no power. Last night was the first time I'd been out. And the number of people who would speed up to an intersection where you could clearly see there were no other cars waiting to cross only to slam on breaks at the last second was a little unnerving. They clearly weren't paying attention at all - not to the fact that the light was out nor that there was not another car to slam on breaks to avoid.
Want to break the law, or change the law, go right on ahead, but that's all there is to it.
For your taking a right turn on red not after a complete stop, yup, I'm well aware I'm braking the law when I do that. I do it because its a pain in the azz to full stop, but I wouldn't advocate NOT coming to a full stop. Just like when lights are out.
This kind of qualifying phrase always gets me. As if that makes it any less illegal.Quote:
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