Good for Abbott to speak up, but he can't prevent it.
Syrian Refugees
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Last: 10 yr ago by sts7049
Are any of them slated to go to D.C.? Haven't followed this story. If it's ok to have them sent to New Orleans and Houston, why shouldn't the good folks in D.C. pitch in as well?
sts,
you're insane to objectively ignore real problems associated with these "refugees".
you're insane to objectively ignore real problems associated with these "refugees".
There ain't no Syrian in Bucky Richardson! 
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thousands of refugees with potential terrorists in our neighborhoods.
is much different than saying
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opening floodgates to foreigners
If you can't see that we should be VERY stringent on whom we allow to enter our country after the charlie foxtrot that our southern border has become and because of horrific terrorist acts like what happened in France, much less what is happening all across Europe as a result of their "we don't want to offend anybody so everybody is welcome and we will modify our customs and laws to appease them" attitude, you pretty much suck at life.
I don't want a bunch of middle eastern "refugees" forced on me. I don't want our border open to foreigners of any nationality without knowing exactly who they are, why they are coming here, where they are going, why they are going there and them explaining how they are going to become Americans.
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Are any of them slated to go to D.C.? Haven't followed this story. If it's ok to have them sent to New Orleans and Houston, why shouldn't the good folks in D.C. pitch in as well?
Or San Francisco, Seattle, Detroit, Chicago, Madison or any other bastion of liberal thought that seems to get skipped over.
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thousands of refugees with potential terrorists in our neighborhoods.
is much different than saying
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opening floodgates to foreigners
Reread that top quote.
Thousands of refugees, yep I agree.
With potential terrorists, yep I agree again. Amongst the thousands, it only takes a few to hit a marathon, right? Or perhaps the Galleria next time.
this thread is killin' me softly
Terrorists entered France as Syrian refugees with fake passports: http://texags.com/forums/16/topics/2680373
This is a scenario where we need to err on the side of caution.
This is a scenario where we need to err on the side of caution.
quote:the whole world is full of s***** people who kill people. including the citizens of this fine country. this thought that allowing this group of people (the large majority of whom are fleeing the same people we are also concerned about, the actual terrorists) from a particular country somehow increases our real risk as americans though is ridiculous to me. and, to paint that whole group as "potential terrorists" as the reason why we shouldn't take them in is indeed hateful and intolerant in my view.
sts,
you're insane to objectively ignore real problems associated with these "refugees".
if people really think that abbott's decision is making them or this country safer...well...enjoy your utopia.
also, i have no problem with getting a better handle on who we allow into our borders in a general sense. none whatsoever. but, this is a separate topic of debate to me.
quote:quote:the whole world is full of s***** people who kill people. including the citizens of this fine country. this thought that allowing this group of people (the large majority of whom are fleeing the same people we are also concerned about, the actual terrorists) from a particular country somehow increases our real risk as americans though is ridiculous to me. and, to paint that whole group as "potential terrorists" as the reason why we shouldn't take them in is indeed hateful and intolerant in my view.
sts,
you're insane to objectively ignore real problems associated with these "refugees".
if people really think that abbott's decision is making them or this country safer...well...enjoy your utopia.
also, i have no problem with getting a better handle on who we allow into our borders in a general sense. none whatsoever. but, this is a separate topic of debate to me.
It's already been confirmed that some of the terrorists in Paris were allowed in under the guise of being refugees. If you don't think people who want to kill Americans aren't going to take advantage of the opportunity to enter the US as a "refugee" then you have your head in the sand.
Most people here aren't all that concerned about bringing in refugees that are trying to escape ISIS. We are, however, concerned about bringing in ISIS members posing as refugees. It's a strategy that's already worked well for them in Europe. We shouldn't make the same mistake.
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this thought that allowing this group of people (the large majority of whom are fleeing the same people we are also concerned about, the actual terrorists) from a particular country somehow increases our real risk as americans though is ridiculous to me.
It sure as Hell increased the real risk to the people of Paris.
The Feds say we don't have the resources needed to properly vet these refugees and remove any concern of terrorist ties. If we can't fully vet them, I don't care what race/religion they are. Keep them out of our cities.
7nine
quote:i don't necessarily agree with this. obviously, yes, they used the refugee exodus to get themselves access to the country but let's be honest with ourselves - if they wanted to target paris, they would have found a way to do it. if there weren't streams of refugees fleeing into europe, then they would have come up with another plan.quote:
this thought that allowing this group of people (the large majority of whom are fleeing the same people we are also concerned about, the actual terrorists) from a particular country somehow increases our real risk as americans though is ridiculous to me.
It sure as Hell increased the real risk to the people of Paris.
we aren't solving the problem by stopping refugees, it's merely just plugging your finger in one of the many holes of the dam.
A better analogy for a plugging holes would be to add the distinction of poisonous water. Say you had several streams feeding into your watering hole all which could potentially be polluted with poison but one particular stream goes right past a toxic waste plant. Sure it's possible that the toxins can find other ways to other streams but wouldn't it at least be efficient to go ahead and just cut of completely the stream that you know for a fact goes right by the toxic plant?
7nine
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i don't necessarily agree with this. obviously, yes, they used the refugee exodus to get themselves access to the country but let's be honest with ourselves - if they wanted to target paris, they would have found a way to do it. if there weren't streams of refugees fleeing into europe, then they would have come up with another plan.
we aren't solving the problem by stopping refugees, it's merely just plugging your finger in one of the many holes of the dam.
By allowing droves of refugees, we're creating a path for terrorists to come here without any risk of detection. Any other way they try to enter the country gives us a shot at catching them. Once they're here, their refugee status gives them far more freedom to move and operate openly than if they were in the country illegally.
Allowing terrorists into the country legally gives them an advantage they wouldn't otherwise have.
the 9/11 hijackers were on tourist and work visas. you can never tell where the people are going to come in. shutting yourself off isn't the answer, either though.
quote:aw yes, the old we aren't perfect in other areas, so there's no reason to try anything else approach.quote:i don't necessarily agree with this. obviously, yes, they used the refugee exodus to get themselves access to the country but let's be honest with ourselves - if they wanted to target paris, they would have found a way to do it. if there weren't streams of refugees fleeing into europe, then they would have come up with another plan.quote:
this thought that allowing this group of people (the large majority of whom are fleeing the same people we are also concerned about, the actual terrorists) from a particular country somehow increases our real risk as americans though is ridiculous to me.
It sure as Hell increased the real risk to the people of Paris.
we aren't solving the problem by stopping refugees, it's merely just plugging your finger in one of the many holes of the dam.
****ing brilliant.
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the 9/11 hijackers were on tourist and work visas. you can never tell where the people are going to come in. shutting yourself off isn't the answer, either though.
That's correct and we immediatly changed our process on how we give those out, the vetting process and supposedly how we track them.
quote:we didn't stop giving them out, however.quote:
the 9/11 hijackers were on tourist and work visas. you can never tell where the people are going to come in. shutting yourself off isn't the answer, either though.
That's correct and we immediatly changed our process on how we give those out, the vetting process and supposedly how we track them.
You say you have no problem if we were to find out who these people are, but I guarantee you that you'd be one of the first ones gnashing your teeth about how we are violating the human rights of people if we were to actually find out who they are and deny entrance to MY country to those that are deemed undesirable.
You are right that the world is full of people that want to kill others, including many here in our own country. The biggest difference is that we HAVE to deal with citizens here that happen to be bad guys. That comes with the territory. What does not come with the territory is opening the doors to anybody and everybody that wants to come here, thereby creating a problem that did not exist before you opened the doors in the first place.
As you said - the world is full of bad people. I'm tired of the idea that my backyard is somehow the place that should be the refugee camp, and I'm tired of my tax dollars getting spent half assed fixing problems that weren't ours to begin with that other parts of the world need to fix for themselves. And I'm damn sure not happy with the idea of letting every fugkin jihadist that already hates this country come over here so that I can be told I need to cowtow to their demands. Eff that noise and anybody that thinks I'm a racist bigot for it.
You are right that the world is full of people that want to kill others, including many here in our own country. The biggest difference is that we HAVE to deal with citizens here that happen to be bad guys. That comes with the territory. What does not come with the territory is opening the doors to anybody and everybody that wants to come here, thereby creating a problem that did not exist before you opened the doors in the first place.
As you said - the world is full of bad people. I'm tired of the idea that my backyard is somehow the place that should be the refugee camp, and I'm tired of my tax dollars getting spent half assed fixing problems that weren't ours to begin with that other parts of the world need to fix for themselves. And I'm damn sure not happy with the idea of letting every fugkin jihadist that already hates this country come over here so that I can be told I need to cowtow to their demands. Eff that noise and anybody that thinks I'm a racist bigot for it.
quote:i actually don't have any problem at all with doing what we need to do to determine who the terrorists legitimately are. i don't want terrorists in my country either, obviously. i'm not OK with blatant human rights violations either, but that's another discussion i guess.
You say you have no problem if we were to find out who these people are, but I guarantee you that you'd be one of the first ones gnashing your teeth about how we are violating the human rights of people if we were to actually find out who they are and deny entrance to MY country to those that are deemed undesirable.
You are right that the world is full of people that want to kill others, including many here in our own country. The biggest difference is that we HAVE to deal with citizens here that happen to be bad guys. That comes with the territory. What does not come with the territory is opening the doors to anybody and everybody that wants to come here, thereby creating a problem that did not exist before you opened the doors in the first place.
As you said - the world is full of bad people. I'm tired of the idea that my backyard is somehow the place that should be the refugee camp, and I'm tired of my tax dollars getting spent half assed fixing problems that weren't ours to begin with that other parts of the world need to fix for themselves. And I'm damn sure not happy with the idea of letting every fugkin jihadist that already hates this country come over here so that I can be told I need to cowtow to their demands. Eff that noise and anybody that thinks I'm a racist bigot for it.
my original issue was simply with the portrayal of refugees in a broad brush and the inherent racial/religious fears and bigotry that mindset portrays. as if other races and citizens of countries don't also have the same problems.
quote:i'll give you a blue star for a clever analogy
A better analogy for a plugging holes would be to add the distinction of poisonous water. Say you had several streams feeding into your watering hole all which could potentially be polluted with poison but one particular stream goes right past a toxic waste plant. Sure it's possible that the toxins can find other ways to other streams but wouldn't it at least be efficient to go ahead and just cut of completely the stream that you know for a fact goes right by the toxic plant?
The FBI testified that we have no records of these people so we can't properly screen them.
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I am guessing the OP's ancestors are Native American?
Those ****s don't belong either.
They came here from Asia.
Once they are in the U.S. they are free to travel as they wish. Long as one state lets them in that's enough.
Why are they traveling halfway around the world as refugees? There are so many countries closer that they could go to, let everyone else deal with them. Why are we the bad people if we refuse to take them in, but other, closer countries get a pass? We are $30k millionaires living on credit we will never pay off. Why would we take on more debt when others should be just as willing to help?
How many Central American and Mexicans has Europe taken as a result of them crossing into the US by the millions?
Our Governor has said Texas will not take them. The fact is there is nothing he or we can do about it. If the Feds want to send them here we can't stop them.
There is no such thing as States rights unfortunately.
There is no such thing as States rights unfortunately.
I love the liberals on here..."Not ALL of them want to kill us, the vast majority of them are very nice!" SO WHAT???
By all means, let's just let thousands upon thousands in because the vast majority of them aren't America hating jihadists! Hell, let's let MILLIONS of foreign Islamists in while we're at it because the vast vast majority don't have any desire to kill anyone.
All i know is that in most "Syrian refugee" pictures, almost all I see is 20-40 year old men and little if any women or children.
American liberals are hell bent on mimicking Europe in just about every way. Europe is now crawling with Muslims...there are entire "no-go" areas dominated by Muslims who are implementing Sharia in their communities in places like France, Holland etc., and the police do their best to avoid these areas. In 20 years, large parts of Europe will be unrecognizable as the Muslims are out breeding the Westerners at a feverish pace. When some Syrian jihadist who wants to follow the example of his holy prophet Muhammed (who spread the religion initially through bloodshed, fear, rape and theft) by shooting up an American mall or another military recruiting center, liberals will ignore the real boogie man and blame it on the 2nd Amendment. Liberalism is the real enemy...it will defeat us from within eventually.
By all means, let's just let thousands upon thousands in because the vast majority of them aren't America hating jihadists! Hell, let's let MILLIONS of foreign Islamists in while we're at it because the vast vast majority don't have any desire to kill anyone.
All i know is that in most "Syrian refugee" pictures, almost all I see is 20-40 year old men and little if any women or children.
American liberals are hell bent on mimicking Europe in just about every way. Europe is now crawling with Muslims...there are entire "no-go" areas dominated by Muslims who are implementing Sharia in their communities in places like France, Holland etc., and the police do their best to avoid these areas. In 20 years, large parts of Europe will be unrecognizable as the Muslims are out breeding the Westerners at a feverish pace. When some Syrian jihadist who wants to follow the example of his holy prophet Muhammed (who spread the religion initially through bloodshed, fear, rape and theft) by shooting up an American mall or another military recruiting center, liberals will ignore the real boogie man and blame it on the 2nd Amendment. Liberalism is the real enemy...it will defeat us from within eventually.
quote:His family is actually Lebanese.
Isn't our greatest QB Syrian?
Another country which was recently bombed to hell by ISIS.
quote:actually, it doesn't look that way.quote:His family is actually Lebanese.
Isn't our greatest QB Syrian?
Another country which was recently bombed to hell by ISIS.
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/aggies/article/Manziel-family-was-larger-than-life-long-before-4723092.php
Maybe I'm missing something as I just skimmed, but grandfather was born in Lebanon.
Who cares if he is part Syrian? What point are people trying to make? That the majority of them are decent peaceful people? We all agree here.
quote:who on this thread suggested letting millions of them in?
I love the liberals on here..."Not ALL of them want to kill us, the vast majority of them are very nice!" SO WHAT???
By all means, let's just let thousands upon thousands in because the vast majority of them aren't America hating jihadists! Hell, let's let MILLIONS of foreign Islamists in while we're at it because the vast vast majority don't have any desire to kill anyone.
All i know is that in most "Syrian refugee" pictures, almost all I see is 20-40 year old men and little if any women or children.
American liberals are hell bent on mimicking Europe in just about every way. Europe is now crawling with Muslims...there are entire "no-go" areas dominated by Muslims who are implementing Sharia in their communities in places like France, Holland etc., and the police do their best to avoid these areas. In 20 years, large parts of Europe will be unrecognizable as the Muslims are out breeding the Westerners at a feverish pace. When some Syrian jihadist who wants to follow the example of his holy prophet Muhammed (who spread the religion initially through bloodshed, fear, rape and theft) by shooting up an American mall or another military recruiting center, liberals will ignore the real boogie man and blame it on the 2nd Amendment. Liberalism is the real enemy...it will defeat us from within eventually.
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