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Zoysia - Zeon vs Palisades

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planoaggie123
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We lost about 80% of our St Augustine so about to replace.

We had originally been thinking Zeon Zoysia but the last two sod companies have recommended Palisades claiming it to be a bit more traffic tolerant and a bit more easy to care for.

We put a zoysia in our backyard in our last house but ended up moving before it really even started talking shape. Going in both front and back yards (pool and soccer in backyard; tree with tons of acorns in front).

Curious if anyone has any thoughts or experiences with either variety.
rme
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We went with Palisades in September 2020. It had no issues surviving the February 2021 freeze and looks great. It's a "late bloomer" and needs some hot days before it greens up. It was probably mid-June before it was green last year. Two of our neighbors have Zeon and I haven't noticed any problems with theirs. Palisades is a pretty grass.
fc2112
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If there is any St. Augustine still there, it will come back and take over whatever you plant. It may take a decade, but it will happen.

I have no idea how long it'll take for my St. Augustin to come back. But even in 2021, it was full by end of summer.
planoaggie123
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They are going to scrape it and till it and then spray it with weed killer stuff (let set for 2 weeks) before putting down new. This stated two years ago really. Yard was bad in 2022 and got worse in 2023.
fc2112
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Good. I've known too many people who resodded and then, 5 years later, had SA again because the landscaper didn't do his job right.

I personally love my SA so much I'm willing to tolerate not having a decent yard until July sometimes.
planoaggie123
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We liked it but it became an issue more than just being late to recover. All last year about 1/2 of our lawn never returned. Actually Bermuda even became predominate because there was so little healthy St Augustine. This is our second time replacing St Augustine (did it at our last house). I think we are just not meant to have it.
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What landscaping company are you using? Sounds like we have a similar setup... We need to replace grass as well
planoaggie123
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Not sure which yet but looking at two companies with similar names…Dallas sod grass and Dallas sod company. The former is the cheaper bid so far.
fc2112
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So I see in your OP you have at least one large oak in the front yard. I that the problem area?

If so, have you had that tree properly pruned? If not, you'll have similar problems with replacement grass.
planoaggie123
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Yes. It has been pruned. Did it this winter and do it every 2 or so years. It's a pain. Tons of leaves and tons of acorns but does look nice and shades the house.
planoaggie123
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Also it seems like preferred timing is to do April but I may shoot for 1st or 2nd week of March. Seems like it should be pretty safe from any hard or prolonged freeze. Hoping this will be a rainy late winter / early spring.
FDXAg
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Battled HARD over this decision this past summer when doing a backyard renovation of my half-dead Bermuda lawn. I hate St. Augustine with a passion, so the biggest knock of Palisades to me was that it was a wider blade....and even though it doesn't look exactly like St. Augustine, it definitely resembles it.

I wanted a finer blade grass (like TIF419 Bermuda), but also needed to make sure whatever I got could tolerate some shade. My Bermuda started to thin out in certain areas. A couple sod companies told me that both Zeon and Palisades can handle 3-4 hours of sun a day, it's just matter of preference as to feel and appearance of the grass blades.

Extremely happy with Zeon though. I installed 4 pallets in late June and worked hard in the stupid scorching DFW summer to keep it watered enough so it could root properly. This can be mowed with a rotary at 2.5 to 3.5" for a more carpet appearance or with a reel mower at a very low HOC that could mimic a putting green. My wife prefers the carpet height and feel, so I mowed it at about 2 to 2.5" with a rotary. Hard to explain the beautiful color it has and it's incredibly dense grass. I'll have to watch out and manage for thatch and disease, but when you see it in person you'll understand why Zoysia is so naturally resistant to weeds. Amazingly dense grass.

Look forward to playing around with a striping kit on the mower this next summer. Not putting any pre-emergent on it for a full year to make sure the roots are mature.

Here is what it looked like first week of September (little over 2 months after sodding):


planoaggie123
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That looks great. The reason we have had palisades recommended is they just said it was a bit easier to maintain, little more wear tolerant and actually a little darker green. I am checking all these statements via this thread and googling.
FDXAg
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Do you have kids that play in lawn?? I assume with the wider blade that Palisades fares a bit better on the wear tolerance and recovery, but I can tell you that this Zeon is so thick that my dog hardly even throws up any blades of grass when she tears out after a squirrel. She used to obliterate my hybrid Bermuda grass.

One thing to watch out for is dog urine spots. Started giving my dog supplements which helped greatly, but can be an issue especially if you have a big dog.
planoaggie123
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No dogs. Just kids. Boy plays soccer and we plan to get a volleyball net for summer hangouts.
fc2112
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FDXAg said:

Battled HARD over this decision this past summer when doing a backyard renovation of my half-dead Bermuda lawn. I hate St. Augustine with a passion, so the biggest knock of Palisades to me was that it was a wider blade....and even though it doesn't look exactly like St. Augustine, it definitely resembles it.

I wanted a finer blade grass (like TIF419 Bermuda), but also needed to make sure whatever I got could tolerate some shade. My Bermuda started to thin out in certain areas. A couple sod companies told me that both Zeon and Palisades can handle 3-4 hours of sun a day, it's just matter of preference as to feel and appearance of the grass blades.

Extremely happy with Zeon though. I installed 4 pallets in late June and worked hard in the stupid scorching DFW summer to keep it watered enough so it could root properly. This can be mowed with a rotary at 2.5 to 3.5" for a more carpet appearance or with a reel mower at a very low HOC that could mimic a putting green. My wife prefers the carpet height and feel, so I mowed it at about 2 to 2.5" with a rotary. Hard to explain the beautiful color it has and it's incredibly dense grass. I'll have to watch out and manage for thatch and disease, but when you see it in person you'll understand why Zoysia is so naturally resistant to weeds. Amazingly dense grass.

Look forward to playing around with a striping kit on the mower this next summer. Not putting any pre-emergent on it for a full year to make sure the roots are mature.

Here is what it looked like first week of September (little over 2 months after sodding):

That looks great.
chet98
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Looking at replacing dead St. Aug. with a zoysia this spring and landscaper is recommending Palisades.

Curious what your internal battle was over? Zeon vs Palisades or Zoysia vs St. Aug?

Agree with others your yard looks great. I actually will be matching (separated by a driveway) with separate yard that is still living St Aug so for this chunk of yard having a broader blade that looks more like St Aug but acts like Zoysia would be a plus for me.
FDXAg
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Battle for me was Zeon vs. Palisades. In the end, I choose Zeon because I like the look of the finer blade grass (looks more like Bermuda).

If you are trying to mimic a bit of the look of the other side of your lawn that has St. Augustine, you'll want to go Palisades all the way. It has a wider blade and looks more like St. Augustine.

I HAAAAATE St. Augustine
chet98
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Appreciate the feedback. And I understand the hate for St Augustine. I'm neutral on the look of it but it sure is thirsty. Hoping this new Zoysia will much more drought tolerant. In NW Austin and we just got waylaid last summer. As most of TX did...
FDXAg
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St. Augustine is a MUCH more thirsty grass. The biggest struggle in the summer with it is that St. Augustine will completely die if it is starved of water in prolonged drought conditions.

Zoysia is even more drought-resistant than Bermuda, but both types of grasses will essentially go dormant (aka turn brown but NOT die) in drought conditions if not watered. Once they get water again they will spruce up pretty quick.

Essentially, Zoysia (most all varieties) were engineered as being improved in most quality metrics compared to Bermuda cultivars.

St. Augustine requires a lot of water, is very susceptible to numerous fungal issues and insect damage, and the runners are a royal PITA visually and practically.
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