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91AggieLawyer
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It wasn't just a bad experience but one of the worst I've ever had with respect to a dealership.

My car broke down and needed towing. I thought it may be the fuel pump and even though I knew it would be more costly (out of warranty) to go to a dealership, I wanted to make sure I got a quality pump replacement and that the guys there had done this repair many times. So I had them tow it to Clay Cooley Nissan -- and I've had them do work for me in the past, which went fine. A little high, but I go to other places for regular service.

The tow fiasco was another story. I don't even want to relive that.

Once the car got to the dealership, the first issue is that the service writer lady (she was more like a kid) was nice but it was clearly obvious she had no automotive knowledge or experience. I've never encountered such a service writer. I've had ones that were more sales people than technical people, but they all knew the basic things about car repair and maintenance. At the very least, they knew as much or more than I did about the cars they work on. This young lady didn't. She couldn't answer basic questions. But since I dropped it off late on a Friday, I knew it would stay overnight and get done the next day. I also figured I'd deal with someone else the next day -- perhaps the young lady was just a service center rep and not a writer. No big problem so far.

Well, she calls me the next day (she was a writer) and tells me the issue. It isn't a fuel pump. Its another part that I had a hard time believing would cause the vehicle to totally shut down and not run when it went out. I've replaced the part before on another vehicle. Anyway, she says go online and select any other service items I might want or need. I tell her to go ahead with the repair on the part. She gave me a very high price which I found hard to believe but figured I'd talk to them later about it.

Online, it said I needed a lot of stuff. In fact, I had done most of the stuff listed within the last few months. Even though it said my vehicle was "inspected," it wasn't. Had it been, they wouldn't have recommended these maintenance items. I angrily sent her a text asking why they recommended brake fluid flush when I had it done 4 months ago? Not at THAT place but any reasonable inspection of the brake fluid would indicate it was new and did not need work. She responded that they did that based on the fact that they had no record of it being serviced and due to the mileage, it needed it. But that's not what the site said: they said INSPECTED. The irony is that it didn't mention something I DO need -- at least in 10-15K miles! Even if they had inspected these things, either they were lying about what was needed or they don't know the difference between brake (and other) fluid that needs to be changed and that which is new. Or, maybe they just thought if I was dumb enough to bring the car to the dealership for repair, I would dumb enough to believe I needed 2 brake flushes within 4 months of each other.

She calls me a few hours later and says the repair I brought it for is done. When I go in, I want to know how they arrived at the cost. She couldn't explain it so she sent me to this service manager type (he didn't introduce himself but was in an office.) I'm not sure he knows the first thing about cars, either. He said I was charged for an hour of diagnosis and another hour for the repair. I told him I've never been charged for diagnosis when they did the actual work and the hour for repair was ridiculous. I've changed that part out in less than half an hour. In fact, I took it off, cleaned it, and then replaced it. All in 20-25 minutes. How in the hell could it take a trained technician an hour? He said they had to let it reset computer codes. This was a lie. There were no CEL codes being thrown. Plus, even if it had to run for a few minutes (which was reasonable), I shouldn't have been charged for the "let it idle" time. Seeing that I couldn't win an argument with an arrogant jerk that was lying through his teeth and thinks everyone else is stupid, I paid and left. I told the young lady that was going to be the most expensive repair they'd ever done.

The problem with the repair hour time was that they already knew what they were going to charge BEFORE they did the repair. How did they find out that it took an hour to repair AND run the computer to reset the codes? That should have been an unknown BEFORE the repair had they been honest. Obviously, they weren't.

I sent Nissan an email asking if they cared about dealership complaints. They responded by not answering my question but asking me what happened and opening up a complaint issue. After 3 or 4 phone tag attempts, I finally got ahold of a Nissan rep. Long story short, she stated that the technical repair issues are left to the dealership. OK, thanks for nothing. No, you don't care about dealer complaints.

A buddy of mine who's worked for Cooley directly in management told me he really doesn't care about customer complaints either. Please: stay the hell away from these people. If they're dishonest in service, no telling what they'd do to get you to actually buy one of their vehicles.

While the vehicle does run, I want to sell it ASAP. I want nothing to do with ANYTHING Nissan related. Even if I didn't get the shaft at the dealership, the part in question should not have either shut the vehicle down entirely or did so without CEL codes.
Aggie1944s Kid
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Shop me first, shop me last. Either way come see Clay.
Get ready bal. You're gonna in for a problem.
grego
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Rumor is the guy runs a money laundering operation. Has seen pretty amazing growth from a couple of crappy dealerships and tote the note places to the massive operation he is today.

Probably untrue and I would certainly have no way to prove or disprove. But I do know that I hate his commercials. And I hate the one with that kid of his even worse.
powerbelly
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grego said:

Rumor is the guy runs a money laundering operation. Has seen pretty amazing growth from a couple of crappy dealerships and tote the note places to the massive operation he is today.

Probably untrue and I would certainly have no way to prove or disprove. But I do know that I hate his commercials. And I hate the one with that kid of his even worse.


Tote the note places make good money, even more so if the owner is unethical.
Enviroag02
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Aren't most automotive jobs scoped based on a published "book" of how long typical jobs should take, and none of them are less than 1 hour? Maybe that's how it used to be done...
mosdefn14
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Aggie1944s Kid said:

Shop me first, shop me last. Either way come see Clay.
No joke. After about the first 50 times seeing their commercials, and especially now that his kids are in them - no way I'm ever doing business there. Nothing about them doesn't scream creepy & shady.
Buford Tannen
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Yes. There is a published labor time for most repairs that come in. These guys get paid (and you get charged) by those set times. If they complete it faster than the stated time, they start another job, and they make more money. And you can bet every single time you go in to one of these places they will recommend a brake flush, air filter change out, wiper replacement, or whatever easy thing they can think of that you don't really need. Just know what you need and decline the rest.
dave94
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If you want to try and get your pound of flesh, @ them (Cooley and Nissan) on Twitter. The PR teams will definitely respond to try and save face.
GAC06
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She gave me a very high price which I found hard to believe but figured I'd talk to them later about it.


This seems important
jwright4288
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Basic rule of thumb I've found is find a good, trustable, local mechanic. Never, ever take to a dealership for literally anything.

They try to ask you a million things when you bring it in for maintenance and they price gouge you for actual repairs. Take a dealerships estimate in to any quality mechanic and they'll laugh their asses off at the cost.
91AggieLawyer
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Let me clear up a couple of things:

1. Yes, I agreed to the work and therefore paid the bill. I met my contractual obligations. However, I don't believe that cancels my right to complain the process. At worst, its sort of like "learn from my mistake here." Plus, I have not only negotiated lower rates after the work was done, especially when the charges weren't justified (as they weren't here), but the repair in question all but begs for this process. It isn't like I came in, told them to overhaul my engine knowing it was going to be 3 grand, and then complained that it was 3 grand.

2. While its true that you are usually better off going to an independent repair place, this event took place on a Friday evening. I don't know if the indy shop was even open on Saturday and if they were, they were closed by the time my car got hooked up to the tow rig. There wasn't a place to there, I don't believe, to just let the car sit overnight and even if they did, I'm not sure I'd want to leave it there unsecured. So towing a car to an indy shop isn't always a good option.

3. Further, another reason why I was sending it to Cooley is that I was going to have them do a transmission flush. Many OEMs like Honda do not recommend trans flushes -- they suggest a drain and fill. However, Nissan actually recommends one. But I don't want a lube store or even a non-Nissan place to do it due to the delicacies of the Nissan CVT. So to say one should NEVER take their car to a dealership for service is, in my opinion, inaccurate.

4. I know its no big shock that car dealers are dishonest in general. Heck, I worked for one years ago. I know the stories and the tricks. That doesn't mean its acceptable. It also doesn't mean in this day when the dealers make almost nothing on the sales floor and their profit center is service that they can be unscrupulous. At least, people should know about the ones that are more advanced in that area.

5. Finally, in terms of the "set" hours or whatever for a given repair, for one, that's only part of my complaint here. For another, that set time needs to be reasonable. We have minimum billable time in the legal field -- usually 1/10th of an hour or 6 minutes. I've had numerous 2-3 minute phone calls I billed at .1 rather than .05. All told that generated MAYBE 5 percent of my revenue. Not to mention that fact that in the legal field we cut SUBSTANTIALLY the actual work time for the bill -- that's happened in every firm I've ever worked for or with. In this case, we're talking about AT LEAST doubling the time it SHOULD have taken, being charged for diagnosis (not everyone does that), AND up-charging the part cost by 50 percent or more. I've paid this dealership several hundred dollars in the past for work that was probably 20-40 percent higher than it would have been elsewhere. I'm not above paying a premium; I am against being treated like an idiot and being lied to. Call me crazy.

I'd like to dissuade anyone from believing my experience was anywhere near what it should have been, but if you think it was, that's fine. We'll agree to disagree. However, those that are reading this can get the facts and different views and decide for themselves. I'm never going to be against that. As a fellow Aggie, I would like a LITTLE benefit of the doubt, but I'm not going to ask for anything one might think is unreasonable.
91AggieLawyer
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dave94 said:

If you want to try and get your pound of flesh, @ them (Cooley and Nissan) on Twitter. The PR teams will definitely respond to try and save face.

I really don't want anything to do with twitter, even if it means I have less of an audience.

I actually don't want a refund at this point. That may sound ridiculous or unreasonable, but I'd rather get the word out to the masses to avoid this place like the plague. If it ends up costing me a couple of hundred dollars to do that, I can live with that. I don't like the idea of people having to complain loudly to a business, or even file suit if you can believe that, to get what's right. That rarely helps others. These places will gladly "deal" with 1 out of 20 people on their complaints because the other 19 who didn't complain financed it.

That's just wrong.
FC12
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Were you charged the published book hours for the repair, yes or no? If yes, then what is your beef? That is the industry standard and has been for years and years.
If you were/are not sure, call any Nissan dealer or indy shop and ask them how much the repair would cost to cross ref.

I'm still not sure what you are complaining about...Not arguing with you...I have no dog in the fight. But it seems like you are quite upset about something that really is nothing.
jwright4288
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2. Not sure what sort of area you're but it shouldn't be that difficult to find a good shop in a part of town your willing to leave your car parked and locked for 2 days. Take all valuables out and leave it there. I've done this in the past without issue.

3. It's a modern Nissan, nothing super tricky. I promise a quality mechanic can handle it.

4. Agreed, thank you for the post. Some dealerships are much worse than other so I for one appreciate the warning.

I've taken several cars to the dealership and learned the hard way over time. I'm not saying what I am saying to be an A-hole. I'm simply saying my experiences have always been terrible and there is always a better option.
dcbowers
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Once a car is out of warranty, I never go back to a dealership. I have a local mechanic who isn't exactly cheap, but I know I can trust him.
91AggieLawyer
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FC12 said:

Were you charged the published book hours for the repair, yes or no? If yes, then what is your beef? That is the industry standard and has been for years and years.
If you were/are not sure, call any Nissan dealer or indy shop and ask them how much the repair would cost to cross ref.

I'm still not sure what you are complaining about...Not arguing with you...I have no dog in the fight. But it seems like you are quite upset about something that really is nothing.

Seriously?

I know my post was long, but you read the entire thing and concluded it was "nothing?" That telling someone they "inspected" your car and found items that needed service when in fact they didn't was "nothing?" That quoting the hours it would take before the repair and then allege it took those hours due to the repair on my specific car is "nothing?"

OK.

Sorry if I fail to follow the "logic" that a so-called repair being in a published book at a certain number of hours makes it OK to charge that when it almost certainly took a quarter of that time. If you think that's OK, that's fine. Besides, as stated, the repair couldn't be that long because the service manager told me specifically they charged an hour for diagnosis. But again, that's only PART of the issue. And, once again as stated, I paid for the repair and am not asking for any money back specifically. So on the very unlikely (in my view) chance that I'm somehow wrong about this, they're not out anything.

If you still have no idea what I'm complaining about, that's fine. By all means ignore the thread. But I don't agree with your assertions here.
FC12
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But I don't agree with your assertions here.


Doesn't appear like many people agree with your assertions either...

How do they know what was wrong with your car? They inspected it/diagnosed it, etc.
how did they know how much to charge you? They went by book time.
I have no idea how that isn't something you are aware of. Hell any repair I've ever had a shop perform on my car when I said replace the starter, or replace control arms - I was given a quote/estimate that was based off book time. And when the repair was done, unsurprisingly, my final bill matched up pretty dang close to the quote.

And I still have no idea what you ate angrily complaining about...(nor does anyone else)
HarleySpoon
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OP, I have read the entirety of your posts. My big question at this point is what is the "91" in your user name? Being a good Ag myself, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was your birth year and not your class.

What you experienced from the diagnosis to the final charge is what I have experienced for the last 30 years on every make of car at every dealership's service department once a car is out of warranty. Do you feel skewed? Of course you do..you took an out of warranty, normal vehicle to a dealership. They told you how bad they were going to skew you before they did the work. And then, they skewed you like they said they were going to. The reason you are feeling a lack of sympathy from your fellow Ags on this thread is because what you experienced is exactly normal at a dealership's service department. It is why all the non dealership service garages (even big service chains) exist. Live and learn.
Yesterday
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I'm no mechanic but after a few bad run ins with dealerships and local garages I've turned to YouTube and cheap tools. I'm obviously not rebuilding engines but I've been able to do basic stuff like changing shocks, brake pads, rotors, flushes, belts etc.

I hate having to drop my truck off, find a ride and get the thing back smelling like oil. That's probably my biggest motivator.
aggie_wes
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Stay away from the dealership other than to buy or trade a car.

There. FIFY.
FC12
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I wanted to post again in this... I'm not pointing at the OP and saying hahah get a grip. I understand car dealerships, from the sales to repair, are generally very frustrating.
However, I would take a deep breath and relax a bit on this one.
Texker
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HarleySpoon said:

OP, I have read the entirety of your posts. My big question at this point is what is the "91" in your user name? Being a good Ag myself, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it was your birth year and not your class.

What you experienced from the diagnosis to the final charge is what I have experienced for the last 30 years on every make of car at every dealership's service department once a car is out of warranty. Do you feel skewed? Of course you do..you took an out of warranty, normal vehicle to a dealership. They told you how bad they were going to skew you before they did the work. And then, they skewed you like they said they were going to. The reason you are feeling a lack of sympathy from your fellow Ags on this thread is because what you experienced is exactly normal at a dealership's service department. It is why all the non dealership service garages (even big service chains) exist. Live and learn.
Multiple blue stars for this. I was going to post the same but too lazy to type it out.

I used to take my Acura to the dealership for an oil and filter change because they offered a good deal. I knew it was a loss leader or at the very least just a promo to get you in the door. I had/have numerous friends that work for dealerships as service writers and service managers(none at Acura) so I was prepared and had no problem saying no to their laundry list of items that made it sound like my car was going to go in 3 different directions when I made a left turn out of their parking lot.

The primary thing about the whole experience, especially at a little higher-end dealership is they try to present it in the realm of customer service when they are actually trying to extract every last dime they can from you on that visit, justified or not.

Rexter
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You need to realize that auto repair is not based on time spent, but as noted, based on book time. That book time may be Chilton, Mitchell, or factory. No shop is going to quote you an hour and then cut it if it took 30 mins to do the job.

The mechanic gets 30-50% of that rate and the rest pays for everything else. If you pull into a quick oil change place, do you expect a reduced rate if you are the only customer and they have you out in 10 minutes? The book is what it the time it should take an average mechanic to do the job. A hungry guy will do it as quick as he can to move on to another job. Would you feel better if they had let your car sleep all weekend and called you Monday afternoon?

I ran an 18 bay shop a long time ago, and got this type of complaint on a regular basis. My standard answer back then (when I was more of a smartass than I am now) was "Hey... go buy your own tools, diagnostic computer, and parts, and knock yourself out!" Also, remember that most of the dealership mechanics are ASE certified, some even Master certified, and they incur cost and time to get those certifications.
TSUAggie
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I don't understand why OP is surprised or upset. They're called stealerships for a reason. Not defending the ignorant service advisor or their constant upsell tactics, but you should know better than to take your car to a dealership and expect any different.
bthotugigem05
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First of all, service writers are salespeople, full stop. I used to be one, and I had to hit certain metrics each week or there would be hell to pay.

As said above, work is done on a flagging basis. Regardless how long it takes a mechanic to do an oil change, they will get paid .4 of an hour, and .5 for a tire rotation. Good mechanics at dealerships (like the master certified ones) will easily pull six figures a year because they're so efficient.

So much of the estimate and work process is automated now, they probably use software that describes exactly what they said it does: compared your service history to recommended maintenance based on mileage. You have a good talking point about it saying your vehicle was inspected but I highly doubt they would inspect brake fluid, easier to just look at mileage.

I'm sorry you felt like you got the runaround but, as a former service writer, this all sounded relatively normal. Them leaving the diagnostic charge on there is crap unless they removed that hour from the repair. Most repair shops credit the diagnostic charge towards the repair, that would be a reasonable ask to make things right for you.
3rd Platoon
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I wouldn't have bought a Nissan built in the last 15 years anyway, especially with the spotty track record for Nissan CVTs. They've really fallen off the quality wagon as of late.

Go with Honda or Toyota next time.
tree91
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What was the faulty part?
jsdaltxag
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I think the OP is just trolling us.

His main complaint is the time they charged when he thinks they billed erroneous time. Anybody that's an adult knows how the dealerships bill their time, its just like attorney's.

Now if he wants to complain about how Coooley and kids looks like crooks and child molesters', I think we all would agree with him.
aezmvp
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jsdaltxag said:

I think the OP is just trolling us.

His main complaint is the time they charged when he thinks they billed erroneous time. Anybody that's an adult knows how the dealerships bill their time, its just like attorney's.

Now if we wants to complain about how Coooley and kids looks like crooks and child molesters', I think we all would agree with him.


I have some friends from forever ago in auto lending at a couple of places locally and Cap One. I asked about CC and every single one said they would never buy from one of his dealerships. Don't know how much that counts but I wont buy from him.
Diet Cokehead
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My wife and I sat next to Clay and his wife in first class on the way to Hawaii years ago. I got a very Joel Olsteen feel while talking to him.
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