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Tread lightly with that one. That was our daughters old coach. I can give more details if you want, just not sure this is the right place.
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Oh it's been a big change for sure!

You can text me if you'd like.

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380Ag
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Text incoming
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Our team - Dallas Texans (Fort Worth) may not have enough players. The A team is set, but the B team is 3 shy. 13G - May go tryout a team in Grandbury for a backup. It's a hike though. This is the pain in the ass time of year for us.
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Just now venturing into this world. My 2014 son is playing for a Solar team now. Been playing rec since he was 4 and decided he wanted more competition this year.
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Nice. Welcome to the circus.
planoaggie123
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BUMP!

Son has been playing soccer since he was 4 but has been hampered by me being his coach

Just turned 8 and he has said he wants more practice and to improve. We just started him with some lessons locally (Vedral) and will continue to invest in that for a bit before looking to join a competitive club. He might need a full year of lessons and pickup play to catch up with kids his age and I am ok with that.

With that...is there a "North Texas soccer leagues for idiots" site to explain all the levels / who plays who / who plays where? Select, ECNL RL NTX, ECNL RL, ECNL, etc...

I played growing up in North Texas but never made it past Arlington Premier League. I might be wrong but seems like there are a lot more layers to this onion compared to the 90s....
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Much like the layers of play have multiplied over the past 5-10 years, or muddied may be a better description, so have the sources of information. txsoccer.net used to be the Texags of North Texas Soccer, but it has largely been abandoned and now most people follow some facebook groups, most prominent being North Texas Soccer v. The World, but in my opinion it has become flooded with ads and other nonsense.

I've been coaching in NTX for 19 years, having coached both boys and girls. I also have four kids of my own who have all gone through competitive soccer in NTX.

I wish I could give a brief overview, but honestly it would take pages to break it all down. Here's what I would say for boys. Prior to U11 (2014s and younger) competitive soccer is known as 'academy'. There is no long-term commitment and you can generally pay month-to-month for training. Beginning at U11 (which will be 2014s next Summer), 'select' or 'club' soccer begins, and you sign a contract with a club to play for a year (July to the following June).

With academy, you should be looking for a good coach that will develop the players touch and skill. I would strongly encourage you not to worry about being on the best team or winning. Vedral is great, but at the academy level you should be getting a lot of the same stuff in training. There's no need to wait until he catches up. Find a good coach that has a spot for him on any team and start training.

At U11, the priority should change. Training should be much more team-focused. I like to say academy is for training the player, select is for training the team. This is when I start telling parents that we can't focus on individual skills and touch in practice, so they need to continue that training but they need to get it outside of our team practice. I strongly encourage all of my players to do separate individual skill training (it can be at home on their own, with a private skills coach, or a place like Vedral, Salient, etc.).

At U11/12, where the team plays really doesn't matter. It can be Plano or Arlington, Classic League, NPL, RPL, Pre-ECNL, etc. Parents will get caught up with wanting their kid to be on a Classic D1 or Pre-ECNL team, but again good coaching is the most important thing.

At U13/14, you want to start thinking about being on a more competitive team if they are serious about the sport and are starting to think about wanting to play in high school or even college. It can be Classic League, NPL, MLS Next, or any level of ECNL (ECNL, ECRL, or ECNL-RL-NTX). This is just because you want your son playing at a more competitive level than RPL, Plano, etc.

At U15/16, if they are still loving the game and want to play at the next level (thinking more college here), I would strongly recommend MLS Next or any level of ECNL.

Of course, this could all change by the time your son reaches this level. Nobody ever thought all the different leagues that have tried to come in and chip away at Classic would ever be successful. So many tried and failed. ECNL is really the first to do it successfully and they have surpassed Classic now. Here's how I would break down the leagues on the boys side currently.

1. ECNL
2. ECNL-RL-Texas (known as ECRL) /ECNL-RL-NTX (on the girls side, ECRL is definitely a step up from ECNL-RL-NTX; on the boys side, ECNL-RL-NTX is more competitive week to week)
3. MLS-Next (the FC Dallas MLS Next teams are good and can certainly play with 1 and 2 above; the other MLS-Next team is maybe Classic D2).
4. Classic D1
5. Classic D2
6. NPL-NTX
7. NPL-Red River
8. Classic D3, Plano D1, Arlington D1, RPL, TCSL, etc.

NPL-NTX is run by the same guys that run ECNL NTX, and their aim is to get to #4 on the list. Basically, they intend to be a step down from ECNL and possibly even a feeder to ECNL some day.

My focus as a coach has always been to get my players to college if that's what they want to do. To do that, by U15/16 they need to be playing in a competitive league so that they are accepted to and show well during Showcase tournaments, which is where most of college recruiting happens. For boys, this really begins to happen during the U16/17 years.

For others reading this, a lot of this is the same for girls, but there are some slight differences and other leagues for girls not mentioned above. Also, for girls, colleges also start to look a little earlier as recruiting is more competitive. That's because there are something like 1500 colleges that have women's soccer, and about 800 that have men's soccer.
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Really appreciate that post. Very helpful and good information to use as we navigate. I thought it was odd when kids at 7/8 were on "clubs" but did not realize it was more flexible and academy-like.
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Good advice given above.
Not that it matters, but for the rankings, I would say MLS Next is at the top of the list above ECNL. It's taken a bit of a hit since Solar left and Dallas Hornets joined, but this is above ECNL in my opinion.

For Classic vs NPL. These are pretty close right now, and like was mentioned, another few seasons NPL will rank above Classic. Classic took a quick fall with the advent of the various ECNL iterations.
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To be honest, I was kind of torn on where to rank MLS Next. There certainly may be different ranks depending on the age group. There is a huge difference in talent between FC Dallas and Dallas Hornets, so I was kind of averaging it out. Also, as my goal tends to be college, ECNL just provides a better platform with their own showcases that tend to be a big draw with college coaches. I've had a couple of players through the years that I thought had all the tools necessary (both physical and mental) to shoot for professional rather than college, and I refer them to FC Dallas because that's really the only/best path for that type of player.

I kind of alluded to this, but I'm still shocked how quickly Classic has fallen. So many leagues have come and gone saying they were going to compete with Classic. The smaller clubs and independents, which always hated Classic, are mostly all that play there now.
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extremely helpful post on 1/1, thank you for that. i have an 11 year old who is playing in one of the lower leagues you listed for a pretty small club and he has sort of outgrown the team, he is clearly among the top 2-3 players and then there is a big step down from that group to the rest. but we love the coaches and so does he, and he likes his teammates as well. and we feel some loyalty to the coaches as he's played with them since he was 6 or 7 and they've been great the whole time. we are supplementing with a private skills coach that he enjoys going to as well.

we're really torn on when to start looking at what else is out there. we are locked in for the spring obviously, but can't decide if its time to try to move up this summer or not. he loves the sport and that is our main priority so we hesitate to change anything, but concerned about potentially falling behind his peers. based on your post it sounds like you'd stick it out for another season or two.
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There is no harm in trying out with other teams after the season is over. It'll let you see how your kid stacks up with other kids in the area and it gives you options in case something happens. It only takes a few kids leaving for a team to implode.
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Element_AG, yes, Classic league fell hard and fast. They were a great league, but had a pretty high opinion of themselves, so slightly amusing to watch. We played in classic several years ago and some of their rules and guidelines were ridiculous. However, it was nice because the scheduling was set in advance and you knew where you were going to play.

ac04, where are you located, what league are you currently playing in and what club are you with? We might be able to offer some advice. 380AG is right, no harm in checking out other teams. I would start casually looking around right now, but really start looking in April. Go out and sit in on practices to see if the team is the right fit. I have two kids and they have been with FC Dallas and Solar, and I have good friends in other clubs. Between that and playing quite a few clubs, and everyone else on this board, we might be able to offer recommendations if we knew what area of the city you were interested in.

planoaggie123, you mention your kid might need practice before getting with a competitive club. I would say if he has the interest and wants to work at it (which it sounds like he does), then he might enjoy going with a club team now. One thing to mention, for an 8 year old, a lot of those leagues listed above dont apply. They dont have Classic or ECNL at that age. I wouldnt focus on what leage to play in at that age. I would focus on finding a good club and coach.
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Agree on Classic. Thier rules and arrogance was crazy. Once FCD and Solar pulled thier top teams the other leagues it fell big time.
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thanks. i hesitate to share too much specific info so publicly, but i will say we are pretty familiar with the clubs in the area. more so on the girls side than the boys, but we've got a decent handle on it. there are a few coaches i have in mind to reach out to, just haven't pulled the trigger.

after reflecting on my post from a few days ago, the main thing holding us back from looking elsewhere is loyalty to the current coaches. that might be something we just have to get over if the spring goes like the fall did in terms of relative quality of the team/league vs. where my son seems to be heading in his development.
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Thanks. I think we will likely just get through this Spring season with our team (been together for 6 seasons now) and then look to move on with a club. The head coach's son (and another former player that was with our team) is with a Solar club so might talk to him. Those two kids are both a decent amount better but I can even see some improvement in my son just from these camps and we played quite a bit outside over the break.

There are just SO many teams and want to try and find one that will not require too long of a drive. Seems like most clubs are in Allen, Carrolton, Frisco, etc. I know at some point that is reality but maybe for the next year or two if we can keep it closer / easier that will be my goal....
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Another thing to keep in mind (at least on the girls side) is that there is a ton of overlap in the leagues. Meaning that the bottom ECNL team isn't necessarily better than the top ECRL team. Which is why finding a good coach is most important. My daughters ECRL ntx team has played and beaten ECNL, GA and ECRL teams. I would emphasize coaching over league every time.
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Anyone have a good rec for U6/7 boys club teams in Frisco or Prosper?

Have our boy in FCD academy but we are having to trek to Allen for practices and coach has been underwhelming.
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Who is the coach? There are a ton at that age at just about every club. Might be easy to stay in same club and just switch teams.
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Evans. Myself and several other dads who played growing up have been pretty disappointed with skill development. He's got multiple FCD teams. A couple of us went to check them out and all are playing at same level compared to other FCD teams that are clearly more developed skill wise.
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J. Evans? If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, that guy is nuts. Did he have a skills clinic last week that consisted of the kids running hills while he yelled at them? He told everyone that he kept his kid out of public school until this year bc he didn't want him being scouted too early. His kid is in 2nd grade...He claims he is best coach in FCD and that his kid is guaranteed to go pro
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380Ag said:

J. Evans? If it's the same guy I'm thinking of, that guy is nuts. Did he have a skills clinic last week that consisted of the kids running hills while he yelled at them? He told everyone that he kept his kid out of public school until this year bc he didn't want him being scouted too early. His kid is in 2nd grade...He claims he is best coach in FCD and that his kid is guaranteed to go pro

That's the guy.

One of the dads drove his kid in from Gainesville last week (staying with the grandparents for Christmas) to get the skills development practice in. Texted me halfway through practice - 'drove all the way in from Gainesville just for the boy to run hills - are you f'in kidding me?'

No end to coach bragging on his boys (second grader and the kindergartner), how good they are for their age and will be. Okay, great, what about the other eleven kids on the team?

You'd think you'd see improvement in the team (any one of them) after six months of practices and games, but it's still a cluster on game day and we aren't seeing any improvement skills wise in any of the kids.

I guess coach's kid could qualify there, but pretty sure we aren't all paying for him to just work on his kid.

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If the coach is good and your son is improving, that's exactly what I'd recommend. I know it can be hard when there are all these leagues/teams that are a 'higher level', but if he's enjoying it and getting better there's no rush at 11 to find something new.

As others have mentioned, there's nothing wrong with doing research now, finding some targets you may be interested in, and then when open practices begin in the May time frame take him to some different training/tryouts and see what you guys think.
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380Ag said:

Another thing to keep in mind (at least on the girls side) is that there is a ton of overlap in the leagues. Meaning that the bottom ECNL team isn't necessarily better than the top ECRL team. Which is why finding a good coach is most important. My daughters ECRL ntx team has played and beaten ECNL, GA and ECRL teams. I would emphasize coaching over league every time.

This is a good point on ranking leagues.

In my opinion as a coach, once the kids (girls or boys) reach around 16 or so, I would say the average player's skill level, regardless of where they are playing, tends to level out. There are always one or two that really stand out on the higher level teams, but the average player can do all of the same things. The biggest difference is speed of play and work rate, and these tend to increase the higher level you go.
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Here are my opinions. Take them for what you want. I have two girls who are both pretty high level players and about to age out. These suggestion are for those who want their kid to do more than just be a participant.

Most coaches (especially in Dallas) have a very high opinion of themselves. Take nothing at face value and go out and watch for yourself. They will promise the moon but rarely deliver on everything (or much of) promised. With that said, don't rely on a coach/club/league to develop your child. If you kid wants to get better and has the motivation to get better, you will have to be involved with finding additional training. Think of it similar to AP classes in high school - expect lots of homework to be successful.

Find an outside trainer who focuses on fundamentals and pays attention to details, but one who your kid is also willing to work hard for during training. This will cost you extra money, but, in today's world, is absolutely necessary.

Clubs/leagues don't matter as much until they reach middle school/high school ages. BUT, you must find a team where your kid isn't head and shoulders above everyone else and not in the bottom 5 either. That way, they will still be coached and challenged in practice (which is the most important aspect). Find a club coach who focuses on fundamentals in practice and makes the kids work hard. The team also needs to have very few DKs (Drill Killers) on the team. If you have too many kids who can't pass or receive the ball, it will kill the development of the entire team.

Have your son/daughter spend double the amount of time working on their own as they do in a team practice setting. So, if they are practice three times a week for an hour each time, they should be spending nine hours a week working on individual skill type work (with a trainer or in the back yard or with mom/dad/sibling).

As they get older and, if they love the game, continue to find outside sources who can assist in their development.
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planoaggie123 said:

Thanks. I think we will likely just get through this Spring season with our team (been together for 6 seasons now) and then look to move on with a club. The head coach's son (and another former player that was with our team) is with a Solar club so might talk to him. Those two kids are both a decent amount better but I can even see some improvement in my son just from these camps and we played quite a bit outside over the break.

There are just SO many teams and want to try and find one that will not require too long of a drive. Seems like most clubs are in Allen, Carrolton, Frisco, etc. I know at some point that is reality but maybe for the next year or two if we can keep it closer / easier that will be my goal....
Lots of clubs will have open practices through the spring. Line several up to try and see which ones are the best fit for your kid(and also for you and your family). I would pick one and hit the ground running with summer training, summer indoor leagues, and skills camps. The exposure to a higher level of competition and pure repetitions will be the most important factor in your son "catching up". The sooner you get him in that environment, the better off he will be. We were in the same place with our son at this time last year and we cant believe how much he has grown as a player since then.
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Crispin Torque said:

planoaggie123 said:

Thanks. I think we will likely just get through this Spring season with our team (been together for 6 seasons now) and then look to move on with a club. The head coach's son (and another former player that was with our team) is with a Solar club so might talk to him. Those two kids are both a decent amount better but I can even see some improvement in my son just from these camps and we played quite a bit outside over the break.

There are just SO many teams and want to try and find one that will not require too long of a drive. Seems like most clubs are in Allen, Carrolton, Frisco, etc. I know at some point that is reality but maybe for the next year or two if we can keep it closer / easier that will be my goal....
Lots of clubs will have open practices through the spring. Line several up to try and see which ones are the best fit for your kid(and also for you and your family). I would pick one and hit the ground running with summer training, summer indoor leagues, and skills camps. The exposure to a higher level of competition and pure repetitions will be the most important factor in your son "catching up". The sooner you get him in that environment, the better off he will be. We were in the same place with our son at this time last year and we cant believe how much he has grown as a player since then.

Really appreciate the response and that is good to hear about the improvements you saw in a year. We will definitely look to make the transition sooner vs later....work keeps me busy through April but will try and start researching some and maybe talk to the guys at Vedral for some input too....
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So son went to an FC Dallas youth "tryout" last night with their current team. I am not sure if last night was an outlier but there were like 28 kids and 1 coach most of night and a second coach came late. Almost zero instruction. To be clear this was a PRACTICE that they let my son join so they could see him play. If that is the standard, we will be skipping FC Dallas. Maybe it was an unusual day and they combined teams. Will update later as I hear more.
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planoaggie123 said:

So son went to an FC Dallas youth "tryout" last night with their current team. I am not sure if last night was an outlier but there were like 28 kids and 1 coach most of night and a second coach came late. Almost zero instruction. To be clear this was a PRACTICE that they let my son join so they could see him play. If that is the standard, we will be skipping FC Dallas. Maybe it was an unusual day and they combined teams. Will update later as I hear more.


Yeah their open practice tryout things aren't representative of practice. They just want to see how new kids will fit in, how they compare to existing kids, etc.

Squads are capped at 12. For pre-K they split that into two teams for league play until they get old enough for 7v7.

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FTAG 2000 said:

planoaggie123 said:

So son went to an FC Dallas youth "tryout" last night with their current team. I am not sure if last night was an outlier but there were like 28 kids and 1 coach most of night and a second coach came late. Almost zero instruction. To be clear this was a PRACTICE that they let my son join so they could see him play. If that is the standard, we will be skipping FC Dallas. Maybe it was an unusual day and they combined teams. Will update later as I hear more.


Yeah their open practice tryout things aren't representative of practice. They just want to see how new kids will fit in, how they compare to existing kids, etc.

Squads are capped at 12. For pre-K they split that into two teams for league play until they get old enough for 7v7.



Ahh ok so maybe I will get more info. The communication was not great but it sounded like we were going to be just part of a team's practice but that was clearly more than 1 team and it was like herding cattle....knowing they cap teams makes me feel better....will see what i hear next....
Crispin Torque
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Are you trying out any other clubs? If you are in Plano, you might try Sting, Solar, and Renegades too.
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Crispin Torque said:

Are you trying out any other clubs? If you are in Plano, you might try Sting, Solar, and Renegades too.


We are going to look into them yes.

Two kids on my sons team are on Solar. I think smaller clubs like Sting and Renegades could be if interest. I didn't really expect FC Dallas to occur this quick. I thought we missed the season and with games and practices we may consider pausing the search until Summer.
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Any teams worth exploring in Celina/Prosper? My son is 9U - 2015.
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So one of the FC Dallas teams invited my son to join. The team is 15 kids with 1 coach. Wife went to one practice and said it seemed very informal with limited instruction. Is that ratio normal? Are Sting and Solar and Renegades smaller ratios? Leaning towards passing on the offer and just doing Vedral and his rec team until July and then maybe look at other clubs.
 
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