SMH

I can't imagine being a dallas cop with leadership like that.

Had high hopes; seem quite unwarranted. I'm hoping to go to the public safety committee meeting on Monday and will report here if I'm able.

Another murder this morning. 17 year old who just graduated from De Soto. Was supposed to play ball for Jackson State.

Sad for Dallas.

So, I'm all of a sudden hearing about our murder rate. Did it increase on her watch or was there any carryover from last chief?

After watching that video, surely to god she didn't mean what she said. You can tell she lost her train of thought before uttering that ridiculous conclusion.

Regardless, qualifications here are in doubt.

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The city has made their own bed with this. Horrible hire. City council should be run out of town. Police force is depleted and no one wants to be a Dallas cop anymore and I can't blame them. My Aggie brother is a retired Dallas cop and is disgusted with everything. Pension underfunding is another huge black eye.

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Allegedly need 3 more city council votes to get her removed. If Griggs is elected mayor and the current city manager is encouraged to go elsewhere, she will be fired.

Is there a problem with the city manager?

double aught said:

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Is there a problem with the city manager?

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City manager is the operational leader of the city. The mayor and council are the board of directors. Word is the mngr wants total control of just about everything. Well, with that comes "the buck stops here"...

Our possible serial killer made The NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/03/us/dallas-police-transgender-woman-death.html

I work closely with LE agencies all over North America, and I've never seen poor morale and disillusionment to be more widespread than it is at DPD. At all levels, everyone I know personally is completely miserable there and looking for an out.

Agoodlittleag04 said:

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I work closely with LE agencies all over North America, and I've never seen poor morale and disillusionment to be more widespread than it is at DPD. At all levels, everyone I know personally is completely miserable there and looking for an out.

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Why? Specifically. Not arguing; genuinely curious.

Well I'm not that guy that just got out of prison. When I encountered a DPO the last 4 times, I was treated like gutter trash by 3 of them. They looked absolutely incapable of preforming their duties. I, of course was being a model citizen.

A lot of the complaints I hear are LE specific (wrong gear being purchased, poor training, etc), but the majority of what I've heard could be coming from anyone working inside a poorly run organization of any kind.

Patrol and SWAT don't feel supported by admin, the chief in particular. Personnel assignments have been made that make no sense (don't want to get too specific and out some good friends, but several people who are nationally recognized specialists in one area of LE have been "promoted" and reassigned to areas in which they have no knowledge or experience), they're worried about their pensions, they feel as if policies are changing all the time and never consistently enforced, that they're being asked to do too much with too little, etc etc.

dcAg said:

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I wouldnt want anyone on the city council advising on pension fund investments. That is ridiculous.

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Considering that the fire & police pension fund board made investments in very risky real estate around the country and in Dallas that almost collapsed the fund, I'd say any outside input would be helpful.

13 homicide detectives in the entire city. Pathetic.

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dcAg said:

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I wouldnt want anyone on the city council advising on pension fund investments. That is ridiculous.

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Considering that the fire & police pension fund board made investments in very risky real estate around the country and in Dallas that almost collapsed the fund, I'd say any outside input would be helpful.

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Agreed. That whole deal was an absolute sh^tshow when it was melting down. Completely mismanaged all the way around. Growth assumptions were idiotic, controls were nonexistent....just a mess.

At one point, the city was taking about doubling property tax rates just to cover the gap until they shut down the run on funds by LEO's.

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Bocephus said:

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50/50 imo. Cops should not have rubber stamped the investment suggestions of Tettamount. City council members who were on the pension board should have actually gone to meetings to help prevent bad investments (which was the point of placing them on the board).

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I can't remember how many city council members are on the board, but there are so few that they can't block any decisions made by the fire and police representatives. They are wholly responsible for the horrible investments, as well as the complete rip-off to the tax payers that was the DROP program.

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The city often left their positions vacant, and when they were filled they wouldn't attend meetings. There was plenty of blame to go around.

dcAg said:

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I wouldnt want anyone on the city council advising on pension fund investments. That is ridiculous.

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Checks and balances. In theory anyways. They were put on the board to prevent exactly what happened, from happening. Cannot prevent it if you never go to meetings.

Agoodlittleag04 said:

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I work closely with LE agencies all over North America, and I've never seen poor morale and disillusionment to be more widespread than it is at DPD. At all levels, everyone I know personally is completely miserable there and looking for an out.

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It's much better than it was a year ago.

Agoodlittleag04 said:

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A lot of the complaints I hear are LE specific (wrong gear being purchased, poor training, etc), but the majority of what I've heard could be coming from anyone working inside a poorly run organization of any kind.

Patrol and SWAT don't feel supported by admin, the chief in particular. Personnel assignments have been made that make no sense (don't want to get too specific and out some good friends, but several people who are nationally recognized specialists in one area of LE have been "promoted" and reassigned to areas in which they have no knowledge or experience), they're worried about their pensions, they feel as if policies are changing all the time and never consistently enforced, that they're being asked to do too much with too little, etc etc.

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Too much with too little, definitely. The Chief's unwillingness to admit that the department is down 1000 officers from where it should be is both troubling and amusing.

SWAT should never be doing anything but training and doing SWAT stuff. The fact that they use them for traffic enforcement and other stuff is a huge pet peeve of mine.

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Bocephus said:

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50/50 imo. Cops should not have rubber stamped the investment suggestions of Tettamount. City council members who were on the pension board should have actually gone to meetings to help prevent bad investments (which was the point of placing them on the board).

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I can't remember how many city council members are on the board, but there are so few that they can't block any decisions made by the fire and police representatives. They are wholly responsible for the horrible investments, as well as the complete rip-off to the tax payers that was the DROP program.

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I believe there are 4 council members on a 15 person board. If they showed up to meetings they could have offered objections before these investments went to vote.

DROP works everywhere else in the country. The issue with Dallas was the high interest rate and the lack of a cap on time in DROP. Even then, it likely would have been okay if it was kept separate and not intermixed with the pension money.

As for the taxpayers, 75 percent of the pension bailout is coming from officers. 25 percent is from the city. Last year the city paid that 25 percent with funds earmarked for new officer hires that never happened. So far, taxpayers have not paid anything extra for DROP.

Compare that to the civilian employees pension which was bailed out twice by taxpayer money.

YouBet said:

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hatchback said:

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dcAg said:

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I wouldnt want anyone on the city council advising on pension fund investments. That is ridiculous.

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Considering that the fire & police pension fund board made investments in very risky real estate around the country and in Dallas that almost collapsed the fund, I'd say any outside input would be helpful.

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Agreed. That whole deal was an absolute sh^tshow when it was melting down. Completely mismanaged all the way around. Growth assumptions were idiotic, controls were nonexistent....just a mess.

At one point, the city was taking about doubling property tax rates just to cover the gap until they shut down the run on funds by LEO's.

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The run on the bank was orchestrated by Rawlings. He wanted the pension to collapse. There is plenty of money available without increasing property taxes. Rawlings was trying to leverage the failing pension vs the pay lawsuits.

Agree with this. One of my biggest issues with Rawlings was the BS he pulled trying to collapse the pension.

The chief was out at another murder scene in Pleasant Grove late last night. In full makeup and giving as many TV interviews as possible. Was an opportunity for a good PR hit for her.