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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 2:04p, 10/26/26
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.
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In reply to CS78 • 2:05p, 10/26/26
I believe you know my stance on a lot of things and I'd love to earn your vote. If you have any private questions that would sway you please reach out.
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In reply to Valen • 2:29p, 10/26/26
Valen said:
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.


I love everything that you're for. I just do not support the police having access to this technology at all.

What happens is they unwittingly end up targeting people who have to put off a traffic ticket, insurance, or registration until they can pay it. These people are not criminals when they fall behind in this economy. People are struggling to make the bills.

But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.

And don't say "they should've stayed current." Everything costs more right now. If you're single and living paycheck to paycheck, one extra bill stacks on top of everything else. You're already juggling just to stay afloat.

The system hits regular working people the hardest while those with money always find a way around it.

Locally, we see the same pattern of aggressive enforcement on everyday people, while the ones who can afford good lawyers rarely face the same cascading consequences.

Do we really want to be arresting college students for drinking under age when we did it too, or handing out public intoxication to folks who happen to have accidentally had too much to drink at Northgate? We need to be taking care of each each other. Get these people an Uber and stop ticketing everyone!

In my day, Northgate was just as busy it is now and there was hardly a police presence! We didn't need it.

These tickets and the old surcharges trap good Aggies in a cycle they can't escape: drive to work, get flagged, lose your license, fall further behind.

Texas already tried this with the Driver Responsibility Program. People who couldn't pay lost their licenses. That system was done away with in 2019 for good reason.

We need the police to protect us from real crime and drunk drivers, not to monitor our every move! All of this regulation hurts the poorest the most and makes criminals out of good Aggies.
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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 3:37p, 10/26/26
First of all, people that put off insurance "until they can pay it" shouldn't be on the road at all. Get hit by an uninsured driver and your opinion will change I promise.
Second, drinking is an intentional act so you don't "accidentally drink too much". I encourage you to talk to the Northgate cops. They spend a huge amount of time helping drunks get home, in fact, they usually go over the top to avoid making PI arrests.
So far as losing your license if you don't pay, you still do it just takes longer. If a court reports to omnibase you cannot renew you license until you have paid all your fines.
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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 4:43p, 10/26/26
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BryanHigh95 said:
Valen said:
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.


I love everything that you're for. I just do not support the police having access to this technology at all.

What happens is they unwittingly end up targeting people who have to put off a traffic ticket, insurance, or registration until they can pay it. These people are not criminals when they fall behind in this economy. People are struggling to make the bills.

But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.

And don't say "they should've stayed current." Everything costs more right now. If you're single and living paycheck to paycheck, one extra bill stacks on top of everything else. You're already juggling just to stay afloat.

The system hits regular working people the hardest while those with money always find a way around it.

Locally, we see the same pattern of aggressive enforcement on everyday people, while the ones who can afford good lawyers rarely face the same cascading consequences.

Do we really want to be arresting college students for drinking under age when we did it too, or handing out public intoxication to folks who happen to have accidentally had too much to drink at Northgate? We need to be taking care of each each other. Get these people an Uber and stop ticketing everyone!

In my day, Northgate was just as busy it is now and there was hardly a police presence! We didn't need it.

These tickets and the old surcharges trap good Aggies in a cycle they can't escape: drive to work, get flagged, lose your license, fall further behind.

Texas already tried this with the Driver Responsibility Program. People who couldn't pay lost their licenses. That system was done away with in 2019 for good reason.

We need the police to protect us from real crime and drunk drivers, not to monitor our every move! All of this regulation hurts the poorest the most and makes criminals out of good Aggies.

Maybe drink less and pay for your insurance. Problem solved.

Always find it interesting when people complain about our local law enforcement being too aggressive. I am assuming these same people don't know what our law enforcement deals with everyday or how they handle these situations. Maybe it is an inaccurate assumption, but I doubt it.
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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 8:18p, 10/26/26
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But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.


IMO, Texas's traffic laws being criminal is a good thing. It increases the burden of proof to convict from preponderance of the evidence (more than 50% likely) to beyond a reasonable doubt. It guarantees an attorney for the defense, a jury trial, the right to face your accuser, etc. This was the main problem with the red light cameras. The enforcement was civil, so had very limited due process and opportunity to appeal. Most automated enforcement is incompatible with a criminal system, which is one of the main reasons we don't see speed cameras on our roads.
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In reply to Valen • 8:46p, 10/26/26
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This why no one trusts people running for political office. "Sway" is an honest description of your objective; tell people what they want to hear in order to get into a position of power.
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In reply to Diddler_44 • 9:13p, 10/26/26
I believe every vote should be earned and I don't take any for granted. I try to be as clear as possible and truly the feedback I have gotten here has been helpful.

Sway in the context I used it is more along the lines of if there is a question that hasn't been answered yet that someone would liked answered that would help me earn their vote. Not changing my answers to manipulate their vote. I've been very public with my answers and trying to better at drilling down to the core substance. Sway may of not been the best vernacular, but another lesson learned.
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In reply to aggie-1997 • 3:28a, 10/27/26
aggie-1997 said:
BryanHigh95 said:
Valen said:
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.


I love everything that you're for. I just do not support the police having access to this technology at all.

What happens is they unwittingly end up targeting people who have to put off a traffic ticket, insurance, or registration until they can pay it. These people are not criminals when they fall behind in this economy. People are struggling to make the bills.

But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.

And don't say "they should've stayed current." Everything costs more right now. If you're single and living paycheck to paycheck, one extra bill stacks on top of everything else. You're already juggling just to stay afloat.

The system hits regular working people the hardest while those with money always find a way around it.

Locally, we see the same pattern of aggressive enforcement on everyday people, while the ones who can afford good lawyers rarely face the same cascading consequences.

Do we really want to be arresting college students for drinking under age when we did it too, or handing out public intoxication to folks who happen to have accidentally had too much to drink at Northgate? We need to be taking care of each each other. Get these people an Uber and stop ticketing everyone!

In my day, Northgate was just as busy it is now and there was hardly a police presence! We didn't need it.

These tickets and the old surcharges trap good Aggies in a cycle they can't escape: drive to work, get flagged, lose your license, fall further behind.

Texas already tried this with the Driver Responsibility Program. People who couldn't pay lost their licenses. That system was done away with in 2019 for good reason.

We need the police to protect us from real crime and drunk drivers, not to monitor our every move! All of this regulation hurts the poorest the most and makes criminals out of good Aggies.

Maybe drink less and pay for your insurance. Problem solved.

Always find it interesting when people complain about our local law enforcement being too aggressive. I am assuming these same people don't know what our law enforcement deals with everyday or how they handle these situations. Maybe it is an inaccurate assumption, but I doubt it.


Excuse me, but I do not drink or use drugs at all. Please do not attack me personally because you do not like what I'm saying.

I do know that college students drink, and the police need to stop ticketing students for drinking unless it's in combination with a violent crime… or move the bars away from campus. The police are very aggressive in College Station.
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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 5:32a, 10/27/26
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BryanHigh95 said:
Valen said:
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.


I love everything that you're for. I just do not support the police having access to this technology at all.

What happens is they unwittingly end up targeting people who have to put off a traffic ticket, insurance, or registration until they can pay it. These people are not criminals when they fall behind in this economy. People are struggling to make the bills.

But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.

And don't say "they should've stayed current." Everything costs more right now. If you're single and living paycheck to paycheck, one extra bill stacks on top of everything else. You're already juggling just to stay afloat.

The system hits regular working people the hardest while those with money always find a way around it.

Locally, we see the same pattern of aggressive enforcement on everyday people, while the ones who can afford good lawyers rarely face the same cascading consequences.

Do we really want to be arresting college students for drinking under age when we did it too, or handing out public intoxication to folks who happen to have accidentally had too much to drink at Northgate? We need to be taking care of each each other. Get these people an Uber and stop ticketing everyone!

In my day, Northgate was just as busy it is now and there was hardly a police presence! We didn't need it.

These tickets and the old surcharges trap good Aggies in a cycle they can't escape: drive to work, get flagged, lose your license, fall further behind.

Texas already tried this with the Driver Responsibility Program. People who couldn't pay lost their licenses. That system was done away with in 2019 for good reason.

We need the police to protect us from real crime and drunk drivers, not to monitor our every move! All of this regulation hurts the poorest the most and makes criminals out of good Aggies.


You don't accidentally get drunk on Northgate. Sorry that's a terrible answer. That's like saying you accidentally got pregnant. You made a decision to drink and didn't exercise sufficient control to do it responsibly. I've never been drunk in my life so don't tell me we all did it. It's a choice just like anything else in life. When I drink it's one drink. MAYBE two if I'm gonna be there a couple of hours or more.

Now I'm good with your idea of getting that person an Uber but that's up to their friends or the establishment, not the police. By time you come onto their radar for being intoxicated you've had way too much and odds are high you've done something to draw their attention. They aren't randomly sticking a breathalyzer in people's mouths. They're in a setting where everyone has been drinking so they're observing the crowd and looking for people that obviously didn't do so responsibly.

If you're living paycheck to paycheck that sucks, we've all been there. So don't take actions that might disrupt your ability to maintain that rhythm. Don't speed. Don't drink more than 1-2 drinks a night in public. If money is that tight maybe your budget should keep you from drinking too much. These things aren't hard, they're simply decisions that require some personal responsibility. That's really all this comes down to, personal responsibility. Don't make dumb decisions. Then if you do get caught doing something dumb don't tell me you're a victim of society or the police picked on you. No, the police picked on the person who had obviously had too much and in a setting where everyone had had something that was obviously you.

I've had about a dozen speeding tickets and guess what? I was speeding every single time. When my kids got licenses I told them how many times I've been ticketed and said simply that if you do it regularly you're gonna get caught and when you do I ain't paying for it. I pay for mine, that's enough. They each had one while they were on my insurance and once they realized that it took a week at their part time job to pay the fees and defensive driving they were done speeding.

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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 6:52a, 10/27/26
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BryanHigh95 said:
aggie-1997 said:
BryanHigh95 said:
Valen said:
What exactly are you against? The post you responded to is me saying that we don't need to increase ALPR's but acknowledging for years they've used them on their patrol vehicles with it syncing to an AI stored database.

In my WTAW interview I mentioned the China social credit score so I am aware of the bridge the technology could form. Just one of many reasons I'm opposed to the technology.

Happy to answer any follow up questions.


I love everything that you're for. I just do not support the police having access to this technology at all.

What happens is they unwittingly end up targeting people who have to put off a traffic ticket, insurance, or registration until they can pay it. These people are not criminals when they fall behind in this economy. People are struggling to make the bills.

But in Texas, once you miss payments, arrest warrants go out. Traffic offenses are criminal in Texas. You can get arrested at your job over an unpaid speeding ticket here in BCS. In states like California, traffic tickets stay civil. Here, they become criminal.

And don't say "they should've stayed current." Everything costs more right now. If you're single and living paycheck to paycheck, one extra bill stacks on top of everything else. You're already juggling just to stay afloat.

The system hits regular working people the hardest while those with money always find a way around it.

Locally, we see the same pattern of aggressive enforcement on everyday people, while the ones who can afford good lawyers rarely face the same cascading consequences.

Do we really want to be arresting college students for drinking under age when we did it too, or handing out public intoxication to folks who happen to have accidentally had too much to drink at Northgate? We need to be taking care of each each other. Get these people an Uber and stop ticketing everyone!

In my day, Northgate was just as busy it is now and there was hardly a police presence! We didn't need it.

These tickets and the old surcharges trap good Aggies in a cycle they can't escape: drive to work, get flagged, lose your license, fall further behind.

Texas already tried this with the Driver Responsibility Program. People who couldn't pay lost their licenses. That system was done away with in 2019 for good reason.

We need the police to protect us from real crime and drunk drivers, not to monitor our every move! All of this regulation hurts the poorest the most and makes criminals out of good Aggies.

Maybe drink less and pay for your insurance. Problem solved.

Always find it interesting when people complain about our local law enforcement being too aggressive. I am assuming these same people don't know what our law enforcement deals with everyday or how they handle these situations. Maybe it is an inaccurate assumption, but I doubt it.


Excuse me, but I do not drink or use drugs at all. Please do not attack me personally because you do not like what I'm saying.

I do know that college students drink, and the police need to stop ticketing students for drinking unless it's in combination with a violent crime… or move the bars away from campus. The police are very aggressive in College Station.

Calm down Nancy. I am not attacking you personally. Simply replied to a post you made where you state police should not do their job when interacting with someone that has had too much to drink or couldn't pay their insurance.

Police are not aggressive in CS. They are simply doing their job. They are not babysitters for those that make poor decisions.
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In reply to CS78 • 6:17a, 10/28/26
CS78 said:
Howard Mayne's response-

"There are legitimate privacy concerns about retention, access, sharing, and misuse. I want tighter guardrails, transparent auditing, and a serious comparison of Flock with other providers before committing long term.

Automatic license plate readers have real public safety value. They help recover stolen vehicles, locate wanted suspects, and solve serious crimes. The question is, which provider works best for College Station, and will hold the trust of our citizens.

We have a lot of work to do in the next year before we renew our contract with flock."

The legitimate privacy concern to me is simple. The cameras are installed and active. Data on the movement of law-abiding citizens should not be collected and stored.

Maybe we could require ankle monitors on everyone and it would also locate wanted suspect and help recover stolen vehicles.
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In reply to woodiewood1 • 8:41a, 10/28/26
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The legitimate privacy concern to me is simple. The cameras are installed and active. Data on the movement of law-abiding citizens should not be collected and stored.

Maybe we could require ankle monitors on everyone and it would also locate wanted suspect and help recover stolen vehicles.


Crazy as it sounds, are they really that much different? 99% of Americans use their vehicles when they leave their homes. ALPRs are already tracking them everywhere they go. They're effectively the same thing. One is just more obvious than the other.

If anyone is voting for candidates that support these systems, you really need to ask what other liberties they're willing to violate. It's for the greater good. If you don't have anything to hide. Safety at all cost, etc.
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8:54a, 10/28/26
Should our community continue to permit the existence of this tracking database, it should respect our citizens' Fourth Amendment protections. At a minimum, we should mandate a judicial warrant for every search alongside routine, independent audits to ensure strict compliance.
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8:44a, 10/31/26
Voters getting to decide in League City.

Suburban Houston voters will be the first in Texas to decide the fate of Flock cameras
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11:07a, 10/31/26
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I am astounded that there is even a debate on this. I'd never think the CS City Council would embrace totalitarian measures. I suspect that there's more to the support than we will ever know.
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In reply to Queso1 • 7:54p, 10/31/26
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Queso1 said:
I am astounded that there is even a debate on this. I'd never think the CS City Council would embrace totalitarian measures. I suspect that there's more to the support than we will ever know.


Apparently you underestimate the CS City Council's propensity to make bad decisions.
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In reply to BryanHigh95 • 9:48a, 11/1/26
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This is where I'm against it. The police do not need any more information than they already get!

The police in College Station are very aggressive. I don't want another tool to give them in order to give me some type of ticket.

This isn't freedom. Our founders never envisioned a class of people policing us and especially giving power to a group of people who would be policing our every move.

We live in Texas, not a Chinese police state.

This. Hell no to Flock. These College Station police officers have been harassing and making unjust arrests on Northgate and other areas of students and their visitors for many years.
'I support them solving problems when needed and even having a visible presence but the current aggressive behavior is unacceptable. Heard of a recent case where a student was arrested for PI after making a report that his cell phone was stolen off a table on Northgate. Others where the cop on duty/ patrol target legal aged girls for PI and many others of general harassment of students having fun.
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In reply to Mas89 • 10:50a, 11/1/26
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BryanHigh95 said:
This is where I'm against it. The police do not need any more information than they already get!

The police in College Station are very aggressive. I don't want another tool to give them in order to give me some type of ticket.

This isn't freedom. Our founders never envisioned a class of people policing us and especially giving power to a group of people who would be policing our every move.

We live in Texas, not a Chinese police state.

This. Hell no to Flock. These College Station police officers have been harassing and making unjust arrests on Northgate and other areas of students and their visitors for many years.
'I support them solving problems when needed and even having a visible presence but the current aggressive behavior is unacceptable. Heard of a recent case where a student was arrested for PI after making a report that his cell phone was stolen off a table on Northgate. Others where the cop on duty/ patrol target legal aged girls for PI and many others of general harassment of students having fun.

. Texas is not a general stop and identify state. You don't have to, or should not have to, show an ID to a police person unless the suspect you of a crime. Looking underage is not a crime. If you appear stagging drunk, then the can ask for an ID.
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In reply to CS78 • 10:54a, 11/1/26
CS78 said:
woodiewood1 said:
The legitimate privacy concern to me is simple. The cameras are installed and active. Data on the movement of law-abiding citizens should not be collected and stored.

Maybe we could require ankle monitors on everyone and it would also locate wanted suspect and help recover stolen vehicles.


Crazy as it sounds, are they really that much different? 99% of Americans use their vehicles when they leave their homes. ALPRs are already tracking them everywhere they go. They're effectively the same thing. One is just more obvious than the other.

If anyone is voting for candidates that support these systems, you really need to ask what other liberties they're willing to violate. It's for the greater good. If you don't have anything to hide. Safety at all cost, etc.

Where on our city streets are the ALPRs other than Flock cameras that monitor and save data on where a person travels?
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In reply to woodiewood1 • 11:33a, 11/1/26
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Where on our city streets are the ALPRs other than Flock cameras that monitor and save data on where a person travels?


I'm not aware of any others right now. But multiple candidates have expressed support for removing flock and going to similar but different companies.

I do wonder what AI capabilities the dome cameras have, that are on every intersection. Haven't had much luck finding that info.
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In reply to woodiewood1 • 12:17p, 11/1/26
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Mas89 said:
BryanHigh95 said:
This is where I'm against it. The police do not need any more information than they already get!

The police in College Station are very aggressive. I don't want another tool to give them in order to give me some type of ticket.

This isn't freedom. Our founders never envisioned a class of people policing us and especially giving power to a group of people who would be policing our every move.

We live in Texas, not a Chinese police state.

This. Hell no to Flock. These College Station police officers have been harassing and making unjust arrests on Northgate and other areas of students and their visitors for many years.
'I support them solving problems when needed and even having a visible presence but the current aggressive behavior is unacceptable. Heard of a recent case where a student was arrested for PI after making a report that his cell phone was stolen off a table on Northgate. Others where the cop on duty/ patrol target legal aged girls for PI and many others of general harassment of students having fun.

. Texas is not a general stop and identify state. You don't have to, or should not have to, show an ID to a police person unless the suspect you of a crime. Looking underage is not a crime. If you appear stagging drunk, then the can ask for an ID.

A person "looking underage" as you said is not a crime, you are correct. If that person is in possession of alcohol or tobacco and their youthful appearance leads the officer to suspect they are under 21 they are now suspected of a crime and have to identify themselves.
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In reply to CS78 • 12:21p, 11/1/26
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Where on our city streets are the ALPRs other than Flock cameras that monitor and save data on where a person travels?


I'm not aware of any others right now. But multiple candidates have expressed support for removing flock and going to similar but different companies.

I do wonder what AI capabilities the dome cameras have, that are on every intersection. Haven't had much luck finding that info.

I assumed when you said "99% of Americans use their vehicles when they leave their homes. ALPRs are already tracking them everywhere they go." it implied we are also part of the 99% being tracked everywhere we go.

I would be surprised that 99% of people were on ALPRs when they travel around their area.
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