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Safe Passing Ordinance for CS

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jello123
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The proposed safe passing ordinance in College Station would require drivers to stay at least three feet away when passing cyclists, pedestrians, and other "vulnerable road users," and six feet for commercial vehicles.
Violations would be Class C misdemeanors carrying fines of $25 to $500, enforced through municipal court, similar to the city's hands-free driving law. ---IMO: Cyclists should be required to use roads with a minimum shoulder of 3-6 feet. It's more dangerous to disrupt the flow of traffic. A real safety proposal would be to create their own space similar to George Bush Drive.
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Saw a cyclist almost get taken out on Friday riding in the middle of the right hand lane of Harvey in front of the Tap. A white truck not paying attention nearly ran them over, but swiftly moved into the left hand lane, resulting in the car behind the truck that couldn't see the cyclist also having to quickly swerve.
doubledog
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The majority of bidirectional urban thoroughfares measure approximately 26-30 feet in width when bicycle lanes are absent. A commercial vehicle typically occupies roughly 9 feet of roadway width. When such a vehicle overtakes a cyclist on a residential street, legal requirements mandate that the operator maintain a minimum clearance of 6 feet from the cyclist (9+6=15 feet total). In instances where the street features a center dividing line, the truck operator must cross this demarcation and enter the opposing traffic lane (13-15=-2 feet), thereby creating an unsafe and legally problematic situation.

This is not safe for the truck and on-going traffic.
CS78
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Sounds like another item that the majority of voters don't want, but itll be shoved down our throats in the name of safety. Quite the trend.
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whoop1995
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To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.
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maroon barchetta
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whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.


The way he passed Hannah and her boyfriend initially was very unsafe, which is what caused her boyfriend to throw his arms up, at which point the oxygen thief braked hard and reversed quickly into Hannah.

At least try to be factual if you are going to post about someone being murdered by a person who shouldn't have been out on the streets at all.
GottaRide
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No more laws are needed. I'd bet there are laws already there that cover all of this. Enforce what exists, especially against all of the bikes, scooters, and all of the other mobility things that have shown up in the last few years. They are the dangerous ones on the roads right now. But if you hit one you are already assumed to be in the wrong and more ordinances back that up. Outlaw all of those things if you are Jonesing so bad for more government.
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Sounds like this is an enforcement issue…not a legislative issue.
Scumbag shouldn't have been on the road to begin with but since we have a legal system instead of a justice system…here we are.
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whoop1995
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maroon barchetta said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.


The way he passed Hannah and her boyfriend initially was very unsafe, which is what caused her boyfriend to throw his arms up, at which point the oxygen thief braked hard and reversed quickly into Hannah.

At least try to be factual if you are going to post about someone being murdered by a person who shouldn't have been out on the streets at all.

I meant no disrespect - sorry for not being 100% factual on all levels in this case as perceived. This is horrible by all accounts. Thank you for correcting me.
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maroon barchetta said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.


The way he passed Hannah and her boyfriend initially was very unsafe, which is what caused her boyfriend to throw his arms up, at which point the oxygen thief braked hard and reversed quickly into Hannah.

At least try to be factual if you are going to post about someone being murdered by a person who shouldn't have been out on the streets at all.

Im curious at what point do you think the murderer would have cared about the fine to change his behavior? At $50, $100 or $250?
The only positive that a law like this has it to stress the importance to teens to be more cautious. It does nothing for the tragic incident.
maroon barchetta
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It stresses to everyone to be more cautious. Not just teens. The bottom feeder that caused the accident is not a teen. Although he doesn't seem to care about laws.

And yes, Doc Brown, a law won't go back in time and change the tragedy.
doubledog
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jello123 said:


Violations would be Class C misdemeanors carrying fines of $25 to $500, enforced through municipal court, similar to the city's hands-free driving law. ---IMO: Cyclists should be required to use roads with a minimum shoulder of 3-6 feet. It's more dangerous to disrupt the flow of traffic. A real safety proposal would be to create their own space similar to George Bush Drive.

I am ok with the new ordinance as long as bicyclist follow similar rules and if they violate those rules the same fines are imposed.

1. Bicycles (and "vulnerable road users') must stay in bike lanes (if available) and can only leave the lanes when turning left.
2. Bicycles (and "vulnerable road users') must not pass other bicycles (and "vulnerable road users") when riding in bike lanes.
3. No side by side riding is allowed in bike lanes.
4. Bicycles (and "vulnerable road users') must obey all traffic laws, including traffic control signs and stop lights.
5. Bicycles must not ride in the wrong direction with or without bike lanes.
6. No parking or standing (autos or trucks) in bike lanes every day (24/7).
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7. County wide. No bicycles (and "vulnerable road users") are allowed on any road way that does not have a shoulder.
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CS78 said:

Sounds like another item that the majority of voters don't want, but itll be shoved down our throats in the name of safety. Quite the trend.

The College Station City Council unanimously agreed to draft a safe passing ordinance called "Hannah's Law."

There are some people that voted for this that are on the ballot.
doubledog
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zigag09 said:

CS78 said:

Sounds like another item that the majority of voters don't want, but itll be shoved down our throats in the name of safety. Quite the trend.

The College Station City Council unanimously agreed to draft a safe passing ordinance called "Hannah's Law."

There are some people that voted for this that are on the ballot.

Hannah Rapp's murder happened in the 23000 block of Farm to Market Road 159 (FM 159), west of Wellborn Road near Millican (not CoCS) in Brazos County, Texas. This is a particularly dangerous road for bicyclists, no paved shoulders, heavy valley traffic (farm trucks) and lots of twists and turns.

I grieve with Hannah's family and loved ones, but perhaps the best thing to honor Hannah would be to shut down this road to bicyclists, for safety reasons.

https://www.kbtx.com/2026/07/19/hannah-hanarchy-rapp-champion-boxer-killed-brazos-county-crash/
Stucco
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This was a workshop item the council previously asked staff to investigate. Staff returned with facts to educate council and continue discussion. The resulting direction to staff was to draft an ordinance for a future vote. This is a link starting at the workshop discussion.

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whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.

Also the incident happened way outside of city limits.
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doubledog
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PS3D said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.

Also the incident happened way outside of city limits.

Instead of handing out fines, what if we actually invested cash into building proper bike lanes on city streets and wider shoulders on county roads? Yeah, I get it though one option fills the government's wallet and the other one doesn't.
AgGunNut
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Maybe instead of a local ordinance that probably won't accomplish anything, our local reps would push for changing state-wide legislation. Ordinances for rules of the road make no sense to me. How are people that don't live here supposed to know we have different rules than everywhere else?
PS3D
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doubledog said:

PS3D said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.

Also the incident happened way outside of city limits.

Instead of handing out fines, what if we actually invested cash into building proper bike lanes on city streets and wider shoulders on county roads? Yeah, I get it though one option fills the government's wallet and the other one doesn't.

There are people on this board who complain about every government building built, you think there wouldn't be huge pushback on a multi-million project to widen county backroads that hardly see any use by cyclists?
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doubledog
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PS3D said:

doubledog said:

PS3D said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.

Also the incident happened way outside of city limits.

Instead of handing out fines, what if we actually invested cash into building proper bike lanes on city streets and wider shoulders on county roads? Yeah, I get it though one option fills the government's wallet and the other one doesn't.

There are people on this board who complain about every government building built, you think there wouldn't be huge pushback on a multi-million project to widen county backroads that hardly see any use by cyclists?

The timeless dilemma: should we prioritize spending over safety? Even a single cyclist's life lost is one too many. There's a world of difference between investing in grand government structures that boost legacies or careers versus dedicating resources to genuinely protect our communities and keep our streets safe.

EFR
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I am curious how anyone thinks this will actually be enforced.
Let's look at this logically. The murder was intentional, this ordinance wouldn't have stopped it. On top of that it was in the county where this ordinance wouldn't be in effect. The suspect has a significant history of road rage and general violence. How would this ordinance make any difference whatsoever?
Stucco
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Enforcement isn't the point. Listen to the council meeting and they talk about this exactly.

The point is to set a standard for passing a vulnerable road user (pedestrian, cyclist, etc), and raise awareness of what safe passing looks like. Typical language of these ordinances causes them to have no effect when road conditions do not allow, such as too narrow.

I agree this ordinance would have been unlikely to have prevented the incident.

Not saying I'm for or against, just that they addressed a lot of this conversation already.
EFR
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There is no point is passing a law that there is no intention of actually enforcing, and even if you want to would be difficult at best.
It is not "unlikely" that this would have not have helped prevent that murder, it absolutely would not have. The incident happened well outside the city limits where this would not be applicable.
Additionally, people seem to be forgetting that this was not an accident caused by a bike getting hit in a turn, it was an intentional act by the suspect. Saying "hey, if you were a few miles away in college station you would have to give the bike x feet of clearance" would not have stopped him from what he did.
PS3D
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doubledog said:

PS3D said:

doubledog said:

PS3D said:

whoop1995 said:

To me, it is weird the city gets to profit/capitalize on these "safety" issues with a tax/fine that goes on forever. Does this really honor the person who passed away by introducing a fine on the rest of the public? Seems kinda negative to me………. Especially since this was reported the driver reversed into the bicyclist on purpose so the "safety" thing is made up.

Also the incident happened way outside of city limits.

Instead of handing out fines, what if we actually invested cash into building proper bike lanes on city streets and wider shoulders on county roads? Yeah, I get it though one option fills the government's wallet and the other one doesn't.

There are people on this board who complain about every government building built, you think there wouldn't be huge pushback on a multi-million project to widen county backroads that hardly see any use by cyclists?

Even a single cyclist's life lost is one too many. There's a world of difference between investing in grand government structures that boost legacies or careers versus dedicating resources to genuinely protect our communities and keep our streets safe.


This sort of sweeping rhetoric is only used for causes people already believe in, like gun control.

People who argue in favor of "IF IT MEANS ONE [PERSON] COULD BE SAVED" aren't going to be the ones who demand action when an illegal immigrant murders an American citizen, or suggest that drugs should be more heavily restricted when someone overdoses.

That said, the ordinance seems very performative, I've always given cyclists room like that, and I think it was done to fill a crucial need and to quell questions as to why the city isn't "taking action" where there didn't technically to be.
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doubledog
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PS3D said:


People who argue in favor of "IF IT MEANS ONE [PERSON] COULD BE SAVED" aren't going to be the ones who demand action when an illegal immigrant murders an American citizen, or suggest that drugs should be more heavily restricted when someone overdoses.


NM.
Hornbeck
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I understand the "why" that the city is considering.

If the DA and the judges involved with previous cases involving the guy who murdered Ms. Rapp had done their jobs, to my mind, he would not have been out on the roads to do such an act. Higher bail, and things like that.

Driver's Ed, which is basically non-existent these days, would prevent a portion of these in the future.
Common Sense, which is basically non-existent these days, would prevent more.

Personally, I don't see the harm in passing the ordinance. PD has the job of enforcing it, and by their own admission, it is kinda tough to enforce.
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