Special CS City Council Meeting

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maroon barchetta
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trouble said:

ReelAg6 said:

powerbelly said:

trouble said:

Yeah, knowing the folks the who their pocketbooks to get rid of coaches, I don't think they are going to be nearly as willing to donate for something like this. Completely different types of motivation.

I still am really struggling to see the demand for this.

I attend dozens of conferences a year. None are anywhere like College Station. I love the town, but I am not about to suggest my company hold our annual conference there. The airport is a huge factor that I don't think is being properly considered.

We're probably shooting for more large regional type conferences. Think Texas Association of __________ rather than national conferences. Really I think the HEB Center in Cedar Park is more along the lines of how this project will go, but incorporating a convention center probably makes it a bit easier to keep booked.

Seems like the HEB Center is booked an average of 8 nights per month. A&M alone will get you to about 7 per month. If you add in concerts, a convention here and there, and Disney on Ice type events, you should be able to keep the arena bookings north of 12 event days per month.


Even for the Texas assoc of whatever, we need a better airport and more events for convention goers.

The regional conventions I've been to have been in Corpus, Amarillo, and one in SA and almost everyone drives.

The bigger conventions I go to are in SA, Dallas, and Vegas.
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I know there's no way I'm driving 8 or more hours for a conference in CS or anywhere, really. Do people from the panhandle and west Texas do that?
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maroon barchetta said:

Is it still the case that we can't get big name artists for concerts here due to proximity to Austin and Houston?

That idea has been discussed before and someone allegedly in the know said that our location makes it a no-go for bigger tours.

And those of you with your hands hovering above your keyboard ready to type out "BUT GEORGE STRAIT PLAYED THE BIGGEST CONCERT IN WORLD HISTORY AT KYLE FIELD LAST YEAR AND IS ELEVENTY-BILLION TIMES MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN THE TAYLOR SWIFT ERAS TOUR!!" just don't bother posting.

That was a one-off event. George doesn't tour anymore.

If you play a concert at the Toyota Center in Houston, or the Moody Center in Austin, the contract will probably require you not to play another concert within a given radius of that location (not sure the size, but it's big enough that it would always include BCS) within a certain timeframe. So, you're looking for acts who don't play those arenas, because they are unlikely to circle back to Texas for one concert in BCS after playing a big city.
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https://wtaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/CScoun072425ConvCtrPhase2Prez.pdf


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trouble said:

I know there's no way I'm driving 8 or more hours for a conference in CS or anywhere, really. Do people from the panhandle and west Texas do that?
Absolutely. My west Texas friends drive an hour to grocery shop. They don't think twice about driving 8 hours.

For me it depends on the drive. I fly from SA to Dallas, because I hate that drive. West Texas I'll usually drive. I commute 3 hours each way to CS a few times a month and am still home by dinner time.
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I have spent limited time in the panhandle, but from the time I have spent there, I can say with a fair amount of confidence I would drive many, many hours to get out of there for a few days.
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TwoTimeAg said:

ReelAg6 said:

powerbelly said:

Extraco Events in Waco has 225 events per year.

Comparing to Austin or Houston or Dallas or San Antonio venues isn't realistic or ideal.

Based on how I was counting, the Extraco Coliseum would be the comp from that facility, not the entire complex. Most of the events I saw on their website were booked for the expo hall, not the arena. I don't think we'll have the caliber of events that the major markets would have, but you can get a feel for how frequently a facility of this type could be used.
"Could be used" is the key phrase. Interesting how the convention center idea seemed to be struggling, now it has morphed into an arena to try and get some more buy-in


Why wouldn't you want a multi use facility?
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Captn_Ag05 said:

I have spent limited time in the panhandle, but from the time I have spent there, I can say with a fair amount of confidence I would drive many, many hours to get out of there for a few days.
Once you get more than a few blocks away from Tech, you won't find better people on the planet. That said, there's not much to the scenery and the weather sucks.
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trouble said:

I know there's no way I'm driving 8 or more hours for a conference in CS or anywhere, really. Do people from the panhandle and west Texas do that?


I drove to one in New Orleans this year, but I got that sweet mileage rate.
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I'm much more likely to drive to NOLA than Lubbock.

I just can't see driving (or paying someone to drive) 8 hours for a 2-3 day conference and then for the return as well. I'm much more likely to fly. And I'm someone who road trips for vacation every year.
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trouble said:

I'm much more likely to drive to NOLA than Lubbock.

I just can't see driving (or paying someone to drive) 8 hours for a 2-3 day conference and then for the return as well. I'm much more likely to fly. And I'm someone who road trips for vacation every year.


80% of the entire population of Texas are within a 3 hour drive of Bryan / College Station.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Bob Yancy said:

trouble said:

I'm much more likely to drive to NOLA than Lubbock.

I just can't see driving (or paying someone to drive) 8 hours for a 2-3 day conference and then for the return as well. I'm much more likely to fly. And I'm someone who road trips for vacation every year.


80% of the entire population of Texas are within a 3 hour drive of Bryan / College Station.

Respectfully

Yancy '95


Unfortunately, it is at least an hour drive from or to an interstate.
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Still waiting on more math, less cheerleading.
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TellMeMore said:

Who cares how many tax funded groups think this is a good idea! It is half a BILLION dollars. This is insane. Ask Conroe if they are glad they did this. It is a black hole. How do the citizens of the city benefit from this? Look at the Waco Convention Center and the same me management company might run the facility here. This is nuts! Ask yourself what benefits come from locals supporting this.
On an interstate and it shrivels on the vine.
Who cares if all these elected people want. It's about getting their names on a plaque.

Don't know how good ASM Global is at managing convention centers, but they have only managed the Waco one for the past 9 months so I don't know if they do a good job or not, but they do operate more than 350 venues worldwide, so I would assume they do a decent job?

A few of the venues they manage include Allegiant Stadium, U.S. Bank Stadium, Caesars Superdome, Target Center, and OVO Arena Wembley from the ASM Global side, and the L.A. Rams and Chargers (and SoFi Stadium), Real Madrid and F.C. Barcelona, New York City FC, and the Denver Nuggets and Avalanche (and Ball Arena) venues,


IF built, A&M needs to be the major monetary source in addition to the in-kind use of the land as once the center fails to bring in outside conventions that are not connected to A&M, A&M can be the primary user,
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woodiewood1 said:

TellMeMore said:

Who cares how many tax funded groups think this is a good idea! It is half a BILLION dollars. This is insane. Ask Conroe if they are glad they did this. It is a black hole. How do the citizens of the city benefit from this? Look at the Waco Convention Center and the same me management company might run the facility here. This is nuts! Ask yourself what benefits come from locals supporting this.
On an interstate and it shrivels on the vine.
Who cares if all these elected people want. It's about getting their names on a plaque.

Don't know how good ASM Global is at managing convention centers, but they have only managed the Waco one for the past 9 months so I don't know if they do a good job or not, but they do operate more than 350 venues worldwide, so I would assume they do a decent job?

A few of the venues they manage include Allegiant Stadium, U.S. Bank Stadium, Caesars Superdome, Target Center, and OVO Arena Wembley from the ASM Global side, and the L.A. Rams and Chargers (and SoFi Stadium), Real Madrid and F.C. Barcelona, New York City FC, and the Denver Nuggets and Avalanche (and Ball Arena) venues,


IF built, A&M needs to be the major monetary source in addition to the in-kind use of the land as once the center fails to bring in outside conventions that are not connected to A&M, A&M can be the primary user,



If A&M is funding it and providing the land, why would they bother partnering with everyone else. Seems like you get the same situation as Kyle Field, where city and county contributed a small portion through HOT with the promise to have access to venues that didn't really materialize.
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Can't imagine what incentive exists for A&M to participate in this foolishness. They have plenty of venues for their own conference hosting, and with a former state comptroller in charge now, are probably much more skeptical about risky investments.
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FlyRod said:

Can't imagine what incentive exists for A&M to participate in this foolishness. They have plenty of venues for their own conference hosting, and with a former state comptroller in charge now, are probably much more skeptical about risky investments.

This makes sense to say except that Vision 2040 stipulates that A&M work to forge a more symbiotic relationship with Bryan and College Station and the community. Under that mandate, this event center proposition slots perfectly.
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FlyRod said:

Can't imagine what incentive exists for A&M to participate in this foolishness. They have plenty of venues for their own conference hosting, and with a former state comptroller in charge now, are probably much more skeptical about risky investments.


It might be an interesting way to upgrade basketball and volleyball space. There has been talking of wanting suites and such in Reed. They added "loge boxes" (tables with chairs) in Reed for volleyball season.

In a weird way, if you shifted sports events over to the "conference center", you would free up a lot of the scheduling issues in putting events in Reed.

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FlyRod said:

Can't imagine what incentive exists for A&M to participate in this foolishness. They have plenty of venues for their own conference hosting, and with a former state comptroller in charge now, are probably much more skeptical about risky investments.

Ignoring opinions on whether or not this is a good tax system because this is the system the state has enacted:

I think the incentive for A&M to participate would be for the money the Project Financing Zone captures (although it would take an act of the state Legislature to allow College Station/Bryan to participate), which is the incremental of the "state sales and use taxes and state hotel occupancy taxes collected from all hotels located in a project financing zone, excluding the state tax revenue received from a qualified hotel project that exists on the zone's date of designation; and the mixed beverage gross receipts tax and mixed beverage sales tax revenue collected from all mixed beverage permittees at hotels located in the project financing zone, excluding the local mixed beverage taxes disbursed to the municipality". PFZ money is money that typically would go to the state, but is diverted to PFZ designated projects; for example, Houston expects to receive $2 billion over 30 years for its PFZ (https://www.houstonfirst.com/news/mayor-john-whitmire-and-houston-first-corporation-unveil-master-plan-to-transform-the-core-of-east-downtown). I don't think the law allows a university to establish a PFZ so this type of partnership makes a lot of sense so long as it is well structured and protects all parties (and actually gets approved by the legislature). A&M will replace Reed at some point, it's just a low priority. This mechanism may allow for it to be at a lower cost to the university and on a shorter timeline.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/texas/34-Tex-Admin-Code-SS-3-12
https://www.hospitalitynet.org/opinion/4128628.html
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rocketscience said:

FlyRod said:

Can't imagine what incentive exists for A&M to participate in this foolishness. They have plenty of venues for their own conference hosting, and with a former state comptroller in charge now, are probably much more skeptical about risky investments.

Ignoring opinions on whether or not this is a good tax system because this is the system the state has enacted:

I think the incentive for A&M to participate would be for the money the Project Financing Zone captures (although it would take an act of the state Legislature to allow College Station/Bryan to participate), which is the incremental of the "state sales and use taxes and state hotel occupancy taxes collected from all hotels located in a project financing zone, excluding the state tax revenue received from a qualified hotel project that exists on the zone's date of designation; and the mixed beverage gross receipts tax and mixed beverage sales tax revenue collected from all mixed beverage permittees at hotels located in the project financing zone, excluding the local mixed beverage taxes disbursed to the municipality". PFZ money is money that typically would go to the state, but is diverted to PFZ designated projects; for example, Houston expects to receive $2 billion over 30 years for its PFZ (https://www.houstonfirst.com/news/mayor-john-whitmire-and-houston-first-corporation-unveil-master-plan-to-transform-the-core-of-east-downtown). I don't think the law allows a university to establish a PFZ so this type of partnership makes a lot of sense so long as it is well structured and protects all parties (and actually gets approved by the legislature). A&M will replace Reed at some point, it's just a low priority. This mechanism may allow for it to be at a lower cost to the university and on a shorter timeline.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/regulations/texas/34-Tex-Admin-Code-SS-3-12
https://www.hospitalitynet.org/opinion/4128628.html


Exactly so. One caveat- not that you were doing so, but looking at this as a basketball arena is a misnomer. If it were to move forward and be the home of Aggie hoops, volleyball, all hard court sports- those would individually be minority tenants- Just as tu hoops are but one user of Moody's.

Lastly, UBIT is a real concern in a traditional public university venue, which is giving rise to these types of projects across the country.

Respectfully and transparently,

Yancy '95
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There are several things to cover.

Full Hunden report: 09/29/2025 - Special Agenda Packet - City Council

Operational Finances / Profitability

On page 138 we see the expected operating loss per year. In year 5 (well after ramp up, at the height of performance) the facility will lose $1.6m. It is not expected to generate an operational surplus in any year. It is important to note this loss is for the facility as a whole, and it is reasonable to anticipate that College Station will only be responsible for a portion of this loss.

Operational losses aren't necessarily a non-starter. Parks and rec and entertainment are expected to be cost centers. I'm calling out the anticipated losses because no one should be under the illusion that we will be realizing operational earnings like with CSU, whether for debt service or padding the general fund. That narrative is not supported by the study.

I'm also concerned about the accuracy of the numbers. If A&M is a core partner will they really pay full price for Basketball and Volleyball, or other rentals? I'm concerned these 200 events per year are not of the kind that result in only a 1.6m loss.

Tax revenues

On page 144 we see the expected tax revenue for College Station, and on page 145 for College Station, Brazos County and Texas.

I'm looking just at College Station

669k Sales Tax
1,290k Hotel Tax
233k Property Tax

On pages 126 and 128 we see comp convention center attendance, and it is made up of 53% and 61.3% locals (within 25 miles). This means a good portion of the new sales tax revenue is actually coming from College Station citizens, not non-citizens. This number goes way up if you consider the comps are Convention Centers, not Arenas. I won't speculate with a number, but the point is that a significant portion of the new sales tax revenue is actually from the citizens of College Station. I'm also not confident the citizens of College Station will suddenly spend more and generate that revenue.

For the purposes of tax revenue, all events are not equal, or even close to equal. An A&M volleyball game will generate very little hotel tax and net new sales tax when compared to a convention.

I'm concerned the suggested 200 events per year and partnerships are not of the kind that results in the tax numbers represented in the Hunden study. The study considered A&M meeting facilities and sports facilities non-competitive as they prioritize university-affiliated events, so the tax revenue numbers (and operational numbers) are not based on hosting Basketball or Volleyball. Including A&M sports in the conversation and counting them as equal to other events invalidates the study conclusions.

The study does not break down the net new Property Tax between the facility valuation and the anticipated increase in valuation of the surrounding properties. I don't believe A&M pays property taxes. The study is inclusive of the net new property taxes of the facility itself, so this number is flawed if the facility exists on A&M land.

Financing

The six financing options on page 32
  • MMID is a district with higher taxes like Midtown
  • 380 is an incentivization mechanism (which incentivizes development by reducing revenue, and does not help finance a project so I'm not sure why Hunden mentioned it in this section)
  • TIRZ/TIF just earmarks net new property tax revenue from increased valuations due to the development
  • PFZs increase local income by capturing and retaining taxes otherwise headed to the state (but are not currently available to CS based on my reading of Tax Code 351.1015(b)). I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so. Here is a committee report citing the cities eligible in 2023 and College Station isn't on it.
  • HB 4347 didn't become law
  • HB 2445 established the general statutory authority for what HOT money can be spent on (This bill was from the 85th legislative session and should have been referenced in the study as Tax Code 351.101(a))
Of these six mechanisms to finance the facility, only three capture funds primarily from non-citizens. They are PFZs, which are not available to College Station, TIRZ/TIF, I don't believe A&M pays property tax so this is moot, and Hotel Occupancy Tax, which we already collect today.

The study does note that the current city Hotel Occupancy Tax rate is 7%, which is below the statutory maximum of 9%. A 2% HOT increase is the only net new tax revenue I see that doesn't come primarily from citizens, and we could make that change with or without this facility.

The financing options I see as available can be grouped as:
  • Partnerships (Bryan, A&M, Brazos)
  • Sponsorships (Naming rights, etc)
  • 2% Hotel Tax Increase
  • Additional taxation of the citizens (which can come in many different forms, including reduction of existing services)
The study ran a scenario on page 148 that the (a) city would be on the hook for 15-50% of the cost of the center, but it does not list the funding mechanisms broken down by city and state, and I believe this analysis is flawed from the start because it includes a PFZ, which again, I do not believe College Station is eligible for.

It runs a second scenario on page 149 for the hotel that the (a) city would be on the hook for 50%. The proposed financing mechanisms here are TIRZ/TIF, HB 4347 (dead), HOT, general fund and a new entrant, a 501c(3) tax exempt bond. I don't see how a bond would work when the facility is not expected to generate a revenue surplus, but this is not my area of expertise. Without HB 4347, this is an undefined split between HOT and/or A&M (TIRZ/TIF assuming they pay property taxes) and/or the citizens (general fund).

Infrastructure Impact

While the Hunden report addresses existing infrastructure in the site considerations, it does not address any costs of additional infrastructure required to support a fully functional venue. To the best of my knowledge, this has not been researched or discussed to date. I believe increased infrastructure demands and associated costs should be studied before a go/no-go decision is made in order to avoid either further taxation of the citizens or neglect of competing infrastructure needs.

Utilization / Outcomes

Everything above is based on the study, differences in the current direction vs the study, or deficiencies I see in the study.

The study did not evaluate negative scenarios, such as underutilization. Hunden presented a possible outcome. I believe we will achieve a better outcome with someone like Legends Global running the facility from cradle to grave, than trying to manage it ourselves, but in no circumstance is the study outcome or any outcome a guarantee.

I believe further research should be conducted to better understand the downside risks to the citizens of College Station.

Conclusion

I don't have one. I just wanted to share my notes. Please point out anything I got wrong. This is not my expertise.
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Stucco said:

There are several things to cover.

Full Hunden report: 09/29/2025 - Special Agenda Packet - City Council

Operational Finances / Profitability

On page 138 we see the expected operating loss per year. In year 5 (well after ramp up, at the height of performance) the facility will lose $1.6m. It is not expected to generate an operational surplus in any year. It is important to note this loss is for the facility as a whole, and it is reasonable to anticipate that College Station will only be responsible for a portion of this loss.

Operational losses aren't necessarily a non-starter. Parks and rec and entertainment are expected to be cost centers. I'm calling out the anticipated losses because no one should be under the illusion that we will be realizing operational earnings like with CSU, whether for debt service or padding the general fund. That narrative is not supported by the study.

I'm also concerned about the accuracy of the numbers. If A&M is a core partner will they really pay full price for Basketball and Volleyball, or other rentals? I'm concerned these 200 events per year are not of the kind that result in only a 1.6m loss.

Tax revenues

On page 144 we see the expected tax revenue for College Station, and on page 145 for College Station, Brazos County and Texas.

I'm looking just at College Station

669k Sales Tax
1,290k Hotel Tax
233k Property Tax

On pages 126 and 128 we see comp convention center attendance, and it is made up of 53% and 61.3% locals (within 25 miles). This means a good portion of the new sales tax revenue is actually coming from College Station citizens, not non-citizens. This number goes way up if you consider the comps are Convention Centers, not Arenas. I won't speculate with a number, but the point is that a significant portion of the new sales tax revenue is actually from the citizens of College Station. I'm also not confident the citizens of College Station will suddenly spend more and generate that revenue.

For the purposes of tax revenue, all events are not equal, or even close to equal. An A&M volleyball game will generate very little hotel tax and net new sales tax when compared to a convention.

I'm concerned the suggested 200 events per year and partnerships are not of the kind that results in the tax numbers represented in the Hunden study. The study considered A&M meeting facilities and sports facilities non-competitive as they prioritize university-affiliated events, so the tax revenue numbers (and operational numbers) are not based on hosting Basketball or Volleyball. Including A&M sports in the conversation and counting them as equal to other events invalidates the study conclusions.

The study does not break down the net new Property Tax between the facility valuation and the anticipated increase in valuation of the surrounding properties. I don't believe A&M pays property taxes. The study is inclusive of the net new property taxes of the facility itself, so this number is flawed if the facility exists on A&M land.

Financing

The six financing options on page 32
  • MMID is a district with higher taxes like Midtown
  • 380 is an incentivization mechanism (which incentivizes development by reducing revenue, and does not help finance a project so I'm not sure why Hunden mentioned it in this section)
  • TIRZ/TIF just earmarks net new property tax revenue from increased valuations due to the development
  • PFZs increase local income by capturing and retaining taxes otherwise headed to the state (but are not currently available to CS based on my reading of Tax Code 351.1015(b)). I hope I'm wrong about this, but I don't think so. Here is a committee report citing the cities eligible in 2023 and College Station isn't on it.
  • HB 4347 didn't become law
  • HB 2445 established the general statutory authority for what HOT money can be spent on (This bill was from the 85th legislative session and should have been referenced in the study as Tax Code 351.101(a))
Of these six mechanisms to finance the facility, only three capture funds primarily from non-citizens. They are PFZs, which are not available to College Station, TIRZ/TIF, I don't believe A&M pays property tax so this is moot, and Hotel Occupancy Tax, which we already collect today.

The study does note that the current city Hotel Occupancy Tax rate is 7%, which is below the statutory maximum of 9%. A 2% HOT increase is the only net new tax revenue I see that doesn't come primarily from citizens, and we could make that change with or without this facility.

The financing options I see as available can be grouped as:
  • Partnerships (Bryan, A&M, Brazos)
  • Sponsorships (Naming rights, etc)
  • 2% Hotel Tax Increase
  • Additional taxation of the citizens (which can come in many different forms, including reduction of existing services)
The study ran a scenario on page 148 that the (a) city would be on the hook for 15-50% of the cost of the center, but it does not list the funding mechanisms broken down by city and state, and I believe this analysis is flawed from the start because it includes a PFZ, which again, I do not believe College Station is eligible for.

It runs a second scenario on page 149 for the hotel that the (a) city would be on the hook for 50%. The proposed financing mechanisms here are TIRZ/TIF, HB 4347 (dead), HOT, general fund and a new entrant, a 501c(3) tax exempt bond. I don't see how a bond would work when the facility is not expected to generate a revenue surplus, but this is not my area of expertise. Without HB 4347, this is an undefined split between HOT and/or A&M (TIRZ/TIF assuming they pay property taxes) and/or the citizens (general fund).

Infrastructure Impact

While the Hunden report addresses existing infrastructure in the site considerations, it does not address any costs of additional infrastructure required to support a fully functional venue. To the best of my knowledge, this has not been researched or discussed to date. I believe increased infrastructure demands and associated costs should be studied before a go/no-go decision is made in order to avoid either further taxation of the citizens or neglect of competing infrastructure needs.

Utilization / Outcomes

Everything above is based on the study, differences in the current direction vs the study, or deficiencies I see in the study.

The study did not evaluate negative scenarios, such as underutilization. Hunden presented a possible outcome. I believe we will achieve a better outcome with someone like Legends Global running the facility from cradle to grave, than trying to manage it ourselves, but in no circumstance is the study outcome or any outcome a guarantee.

I believe further research should be conducted to better understand the downside risks to the citizens of College Station.

Conclusion

I don't have one. I just wanted to share my notes. Please point out anything I got wrong. This is not my expertise.


I don't know what to say but "impressive" and "thank you" and per Bruce Willis, "welcome to the party, pal." Want to be on a committee? ;-)

Legislation would be required to add us to the PFZ and yes, the Hunden study came before this most recent development. That's unfortunate, but there is a lot of good information in there.

Thanks for the quality feedback, respectfully.

Yancy '95
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When all this conversation started about a convention center it was because college station wanted to break free of A&M and do their own thing because college station wanted to bring in concerts and whatever.

Now A&M is going to be the core? And if the place doesnt make money oh well at least A&M is there to soften the blow?

Wow
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whoop1995 said:

When all this conversation started about a convention center it was because college station wanted to break free of A&M and do their own thing because college station wanted to bring in concerts and whatever.

Now A&M is going to be the core? And if the place doesnt make money oh well at least A&M is there to soften the blow?

Wow


As one member of council, I never presumed my Alma mater would play anything but a major role in any convention center / multi-event center project. Going all the way back to early 2023, I visited with event planners at Tamu and got a long list of all the conventions and symposiums and research exhibitions they have to hold elsewhere because we don't have the space- and it was a long list! Why would we ignore that massive business segment?

It's never been the case that an event center at considerable scale would work with one entity going it alone. If it moves forward, I'm made confident it'll be transformative for all and thus everyone should be involved.

My $.02 and respectfully

Yancy '95
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Very nicely said (reply to whoop1995).
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Bob Yancy said:

whoop1995 said:

When all this conversation started about a convention center it was because college station wanted to break free of A&M and do their own thing because college station wanted to bring in concerts and whatever.

Now A&M is going to be the core? And if the place doesnt make money oh well at least A&M is there to soften the blow?

Wow


As one member of council, I never presumed my Alma mater would play anything but a major role in any convention center / multi-event center project. Going all the way back to early 2023, I visited with event planners at Tamu and got a long list of all the conventions and symposiums and research exhibitions they have to hold elsewhere because we don't have the space- and it was a long list! Why would we ignore that massive business segment?

It's never been the case that an event center at considerable scale would work with one entity going it alone. If it moves forward, I'm made confident it'll be transformative for all and thus everyone should be involved.

My $.02 and respectfully

Yancy '95


Would you be willing to share that "long list?" Not that I'm skeptical…

I know a little about TAMU and conferences. I'd be curious if it gels with my knowledge of this history.
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FlyRod said:

Bob Yancy said:

whoop1995 said:

When all this conversation started about a convention center it was because college station wanted to break free of A&M and do their own thing because college station wanted to bring in concerts and whatever.

Now A&M is going to be the core? And if the place doesnt make money oh well at least A&M is there to soften the blow?

Wow


As one member of council, I never presumed my Alma mater would play anything but a major role in any convention center / multi-event center project. Going all the way back to early 2023, I visited with event planners at Tamu and got a long list of all the conventions and symposiums and research exhibitions they have to hold elsewhere because we don't have the space- and it was a long list! Why would we ignore that massive business segment?

It's never been the case that an event center at considerable scale would work with one entity going it alone. If it moves forward, I'm made confident it'll be transformative for all and thus everyone should be involved.

My $.02 and respectfully

Yancy '95


Would you be willing to share that "long list?" Not that I'm skeptical…

I know a little about TAMU and conferences. I'd be curious if it gels with my knowledge of this history.


I'll dig it out. Those are old notes but I keep everything. Hunden found dozens of such events we missed out on. They interviewed many of the same folks.

Respectfully

Yancy '95
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Mr. Yancy - do you know if there has there been any discussion about relocating the TAMU physical plant that is located between Century Square and Hensel?
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Mr. Yancy - do you know if there has there been any discussion about relocating the TAMU physical plant that is located between Century Square and Hensel?


No sir I do not.

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Yancy '95
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That's the landscape maintenance site for main campus.

Maybe they could relocate them over close to the radio tower? The old gardens maybe? There isn't anywhere on main campus except maybe near the golf course maintenance area off of Bizzell and Lewis.
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I wasn't sure what it was - that is good to know. It didn't look like it was a ton of infrastructure even though labeled a plant. It could be a pretty prime piece of land depending on how things play out, so relocating it may make sense at some point.
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I think it a more than speculative bet that they do free up that land if this becomes a reality. Similar to the way married student housing disappeared for Century Square, and the swine barn disappeared / relocated for the Bush Library.
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FlyRod said:

Bob Yancy said:

whoop1995 said:

When all this conversation started about a convention center it was because college station wanted to break free of A&M and do their own thing because college station wanted to bring in concerts and whatever.

Now A&M is going to be the core? And if the place doesnt make money oh well at least A&M is there to soften the blow?

Wow


As one member of council, I never presumed my Alma mater would play anything but a major role in any convention center / multi-event center project. Going all the way back to early 2023, I visited with event planners at Tamu and got a long list of all the conventions and symposiums and research exhibitions they have to hold elsewhere because we don't have the space- and it was a long list! Why would we ignore that massive business segment?

It's never been the case that an event center at considerable scale would work with one entity going it alone. If it moves forward, I'm made confident it'll be transformative for all and thus everyone should be involved.

My $.02 and respectfully

Yancy '95


Would you be willing to share that "long list?" Not that I'm skeptical…

I know a little about TAMU and conferences. I'd be curious if it gels with my knowledge of this history.

I remember going to the city council meeting where the convention center was first discussed. The gentleman that runs the A&M conference center got up and spoke, and that the City SHOULD build a convention center. This was coming from the other convention center in town! His only caveat was that he said the City should pay someone else to run it
 
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