Northgate Projects

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Creating a new thread to consolidate all of the Northgate projects in one place. I believe these are all the announced current or proposed projects but let me know if I missed one!

Under Construction

Aspire II
Located at Wellborn and University (19-stories)
873 beds



Permitting Phase

1) 201 Church Ave.
Located at Church and First (23-stories)
554 beds



2) 303 S. College - The Rambler
The old Hurricane Harrys location (8-stories)
952 beds



3) 415 College Main
Located at College Main and Cherry (20-stories)
605 beds



4) 201 Boyett
Located at Boyett and Church (23-stories)
532 beds

No design plans available that I have seen

5) 401 Stasny - the Ever
Located at Stasny and Cross where the Casa Del Sol apartments are currently located (8-stories)
560 beds

Potential Projects

1) 509 University


2) Parking Lot behind Dixie Chicken
TBD

3) Century Square lot at University and College Avenue
Potential project announcement in Q1 of 2025
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Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
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Info on 201 Boyett plans on Page 9
https://www.cstx.gov/common/pages/GetFile.ashx?key=Z1Y4AaCo

23 Stories, 344,130SF
(Would upload pic but no premium)
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tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.
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Is there a map of that area showing all the highrise developments?
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Because I have seen it get harder and harder to get to and from there over the last 15 years as NG has exploded.

The idea that they just walk everywhere hasn't proven to be true. The traffic load on University is already at a daily log jam.
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Tailgate88 said:

Is there a map of that area showing all the highrise developments?
I previously created a very poor one with a few of the locations

1) Aspire II (in red) at Wellborn and University - currently under construction. 19-stories

2) 201 Boyett (in green) at Boyett and Church - height variance recently approved. 23-stories

3) 201 Church Ave. (in blue) at Church and First. Site plans recently submitted. 23-stories


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tu ag said:

Because I have seen it get harder and harder to get to and from there over the last 15 years as NG has exploded.

The idea that they just walk everywhere hasn't proven to be true. The traffic load on University is already at a daily log jam.


In the last 15 years. Enrollment has increased 50%, there are 25,000 more students there. Northgate has grown a bunch from what it was. But there has not been 25k more beds.

Why do you believe the additional traffic is the result of growth of Northgate as opposed to the growth in enrollment that dwarfs Northgate growth?

Edit: looking at this, the inclusion of Galveston, Qatar, etc. is probably inflating my number something like 10k. I think my point still holds for a 15k increase. But wanted to correct that.

https://abpa.tamu.edu/getattachment/d341b8a7-7925-46b2-9602-6a10ad79cb13/Overall_Enrollment_Historical.pdf
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Put a 3 story parking garage that is full on a half acre where there was previously a slow bank and you don't think there are more cars? What about on top of an empty lot or a small one office ministry?
This is what these big projects are replacing. So, yes it is a factor.
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The old gas station property at University and Boyett is the location that most surprises me. I thought we would see something go up there by now.
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tu ag said:

Put a 3 story parking garage that is full on a half acre where there was previously a slow bank and you don't think there are more cars? What about on top of an empty lot or a small one office ministry?
This is what these big projects are replacing. So, yes it is a factor.
It might be helpful if you were more specific about the traffic you are concerned about. Are you talking about congestion on University around when you'd be going to the 5:30pm daily mass at St. Mary's (which I believe is the only mass time that sees crazy traffic)?

Edit: the reason I am asking is because your issue seems to be different from the more general degrowth stance that Yancy and Seewald are taking are taking. I suspect you may be misunderstanding what is driving the traffic in that area. The additional rush hour congestion is not caused by additional people driving to Northgate.
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Captn_Ag05 said:

Tailgate88 said:

Is there a map of that area showing all the highrise developments?
I previously created a very poor one with a few of the locations

1) Aspire II (in red) at Wellborn and University - currently under construction. 19-stories

2) 201 Boyett (in green) at Boyett and Church - height variance recently approved. 23-stories

3) 201 Church Ave. (in blue) at Church and First. Site plans recently submitted. 23-stories



Isn't something going up where Coyote Lot currently stands too?
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Thanks for pulling this together, Capt. Glad to see our little community growing up.
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Brian Alg said:

tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.



These high rises are expensive to rent and not everyone wants to pay for a room there or walk 1 or more miles to west campus in 95 degree heat. These kids will still be in their cars going out all over town. You won't be able to pry their keys to their cars out of their hands. They aren't going to be chained to their high rise. It's really a silly argument to think these high rises are going to reduce traffic. That area is going to become even more congested.
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TAMU1990 said:

Brian Alg said:

tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.



These high rises are expensive to rent and not everyone wants to pay for a room there or walk 1 or more miles to west campus in 95 degree heat. These kids will still be in their cars going out all over town. You won't be able to pry their keys to their cars out of their hands. They aren't going to be chained to their high rise. It's really a silly argument to think these high rises are going to reduce traffic. That area is going to become even more congested.
True that not everyone wants to live there or walk, but many do. That's why the market allows so many high rises to be built. I walked from Northpoint to Zachry and further for a year and took the bus the few days it was unbearable. A close friend did the same from a house south of George Bush.

I don't think anyone is suggesting they'll be chained to their high rise either (I certainly am not). If a commute for someone living at the Barracks (or anywhere on 2818 or north of Northgate) is normally 10 trips per week on average (I'm thinking 5 commutes to campus, 1 trip to the grocery store, 3 out to eat/to Northgate, and 1 to church), them living in Northgate and walking to campus cuts half of those trips out. Any drives to Northgate are eliminated. Take off the church trip if they're Catholic, Methodist, or Lutheran. Even if they still drive to Mays or the AGLS complex, there's still a reduction in vehicle miles traveled which is the key metric. Traffic can't reasonably be considered just the existence of a unique vehicle in the city. And obviously there are special cases. Again, no one is saying force all students to live in Northgate high rises. But there are at least 50,000 students that attend classes on right across University from Northgate and living more proximate will have beneficial effects on traffic, especially during rush hour.

Debate aside, here's a couple more projects.
Rambler (former Harry's site):
https://lvcollective.com/work/313-college/



401 Stasney:
https://www.cstx.gov/common/pages/GetFile.ashx?key=Msc5AfQ5
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rocketscience said:

TAMU1990 said:

Brian Alg said:

tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.



These high rises are expensive to rent and not everyone wants to pay for a room there or walk 1 or more miles to west campus in 95 degree heat. These kids will still be in their cars going out all over town. You won't be able to pry their keys to their cars out of their hands. They aren't going to be chained to their high rise. It's really a silly argument to think these high rises are going to reduce traffic. That area is going to become even more congested.
True that not everyone wants to live there or walk, but many do. That's why the market allows so many high rises to be built. I walked from Northpoint to Zachry and further for a year and took the bus the few days it was unbearable. A close friend did the same from a house south of George Bush.

I don't think anyone is suggesting they'll be chained to their high rise either (I certainly am not). If a commute for someone living at the Barracks (or anywhere on 2818 or north of Northgate) is normally 10 trips per week on average (I'm thinking 5 commutes to campus, 1 trip to the grocery store, 3 out to eat/to Northgate, and 1 to church), them living in Northgate and walking to campus cuts half of those trips out. Any drives to Northgate are eliminated. Take off the church trip if they're Catholic, Methodist, or Lutheran. Even if they still drive to Mays or the AGLS complex, there's still a reduction in vehicle miles traveled which is the key metric. Traffic can't reasonably be considered just the existence of a unique vehicle in the city. And obviously there are special cases. Again, no one is saying force all students to live in Northgate high rises. But there are at least 50,000 students that attend classes on right across University from Northgate and living more proximate will have beneficial effects on traffic, especially during rush hour.

Such good points. Of course driving will be mitigated by having students live on campus or across the street from campus. It's laughable anybody would say otherwise.
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I have not seen anything about 401 Stasny before. It looks to be called the Ever and be 8-stories. I will update the list above. Nice new pictures from the Rambler project.
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I've updated with bed counts.
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TAMU1990 said:

Brian Alg said:

tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.



These high rises are expensive to rent and not everyone wants to pay for a room there or walk 1 or more miles to west campus in 95 degree heat. These kids will still be in their cars going out all over town. You won't be able to pry their keys to their cars out of their hands. They aren't going to be chained to their high rise. It's really a silly argument to think these high rises are going to reduce traffic. That area is going to become even more congested.
Yeah, it's more cars on Northgate streets and in town. It will neither reduce traffic or create a "student containment" zone. When you accept that you can understand the difficulties of these things.
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tu ag said:

Because I have seen it get harder and harder to get to and from there over the last 15 years as NG has exploded.

The idea that they just walk everywhere hasn't proven to be true. The traffic load on University is already at a daily log jam.


100% agreed
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If everyone lived 100 yards from their work, do you think that would reduce rush hour traffic?
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The fall semester after The Rise was done I was suprised how many students in my senior class had moved in there. I asked them why? Because your class is my first one of the day (10:20) M/W/F and I don't have to get up early and drive to campus to find a place to park. I can get out of bed, throw on some sweats and walk across the street. Oh....and we can see the Chicken from our balcony and it it looks interesting we can just walk down there.....which already turned into a problem in getting up for your Friday morning class last week.........

At the end of the semester most of them indicated their gas/diesel bill had dropped significantly living close to campus.
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Appreciate you sharing your real world experience.
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My son has some friends that lived there and at the Stack. They had mostly good things to say but had normal renter complaints. Location was a plus.

Also have a friend whose son lived in either Rise or Aspire. Said at that time that prices were similar to the higher priced dorms on campus.

It would be interesting to see how the prices of all the Northgate developments compare to dorm prices today.
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techno-ag said:

rocketscience said:

TAMU1990 said:

Brian Alg said:

tu ag said:

Welcome to "urban" College Station.
Glad I don't live near there, but it makes going to Mass at St. Mary's a lot harder.
What makes you think it will be so much harder? If you are talking about the 5:30pm daily, this is going to result in hundreds (thousands?) of cars no longer driving from campus around that time. Students will be more likely to walk/bike/etc. home if it is across University.

If you are talking about vigil or Sunday, there might be more pedestrian traffic at those times. But I don't think it will be that difficult to deal with.

The convenience might lead to more people going to mass and get more people into RCIA, confession, etc. But I suspect the diocese and big givers will be stoked to shift resources to help staff up and add more mass times.



These high rises are expensive to rent and not everyone wants to pay for a room there or walk 1 or more miles to west campus in 95 degree heat. These kids will still be in their cars going out all over town. You won't be able to pry their keys to their cars out of their hands. They aren't going to be chained to their high rise. It's really a silly argument to think these high rises are going to reduce traffic. That area is going to become even more congested.
True that not everyone wants to live there or walk, but many do. That's why the market allows so many high rises to be built. I walked from Northpoint to Zachry and further for a year and took the bus the few days it was unbearable. A close friend did the same from a house south of George Bush.

I don't think anyone is suggesting they'll be chained to their high rise either (I certainly am not). If a commute for someone living at the Barracks (or anywhere on 2818 or north of Northgate) is normally 10 trips per week on average (I'm thinking 5 commutes to campus, 1 trip to the grocery store, 3 out to eat/to Northgate, and 1 to church), them living in Northgate and walking to campus cuts half of those trips out. Any drives to Northgate are eliminated. Take off the church trip if they're Catholic, Methodist, or Lutheran. Even if they still drive to Mays or the AGLS complex, there's still a reduction in vehicle miles traveled which is the key metric. Traffic can't reasonably be considered just the existence of a unique vehicle in the city. And obviously there are special cases. Again, no one is saying force all students to live in Northgate high rises. But there are at least 50,000 students that attend classes on right across University from Northgate and living more proximate will have beneficial effects on traffic, especially during rush hour.

Such good points. Of course driving will be mitigated by having students live on campus or across the street from campus. It's laughable anybody would say otherwise.
There are great variances among people with their activity. That is one person's schedule (who is most likely a boy). Girls drive more - they shop more frequently, go to their friends places, go to sorority houses, go to the gym, etc. There are people who have jobs all over town - not just university. Again, this is just 1 example vs 50,000 and it can't be extrapolated to what to expect as a whole.
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With all of these developments going up, do any of you think that the Westgate Shopping Center and Daiquiri Barn on the Bryan side will get redeveloped?

Will this/Is this still planned for Bryan along South College near the old Hurricane Harry's?

https://www.bryantx.gov/new-mixed-use-destination-envisioned-for-the-city-of-bryan/
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Yeah, that's been scaled back a bit...

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TDLR Submission today for the 201 Boyett St. project

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The construction quality of these seems to be insanely cheap from the new ones I've been in. I'm worried these are quickly going to become eyesores as they are not being build to last. And that will make that entire area not desireable.
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Such a bad idea. Go ahead and kill the Northgate district, COCS.
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