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woodiewood
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News today said that Texas is going to spend over a Billion and a half dollars this year on a program to supply broadband in rural areas across Texas. Projections of six to seven Billion will be necessary over the next few years.

Assisting in making broadband internet access across rural Texas is fine, but why doesn't the state just contract with Musk's Starlink or Viasat to supply access? Most all of Texas is already covered by Starlink.

Would that not be less expensive in both setting up and also maintenance of a separate system?

Some of you know a lot more than I do (which is little). What do you think?

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I would imagine BrazosWiFi would have good info on this.

My parents live in the middle of nowhere. They do have access to broadband, but it's not great. It started kind of like BrazosWiFi did, but instead if having someone who is diligent about maintenance and outage issues, they will occasionally go down for days to a week at anytime with no explanation and no answer if they call. Having something reliable for them would be great.
91_Aggie
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woodiewood said:

News today said that Texas is going to spend over a Billion and a half dollars this year on a program to supply broadband in rural areas across Texas. Projections of six to seven Billion will be necessary over the next few years.

Assisting in making broadband internet access across rural Texas is fine, but why doesn't the state just contract with Musk's Starlink or Viasat to supply access? Most all of Texas is already covered by Starlink.

Would that not be less expensive in both setting up and also maintenance of a separate system?

Some of you know a lot more than I do (which is little). What do you think?


But someone the legislator knows who is sponsoring the bill won't get the big contract
LOYAL AG
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Today's reminder that Republicans are as willing to promote bad policy for personal gain as are the democrats.
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doubledog
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Remember when the government was allowed to "fee" the average phone customers to pay for "rural" phone lines?

FYI you are still paying that "fee"

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monthly fee charged to help AT&T recover its required contribution to the Federal Universal Service Fund. (Fund). The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) created the Fund in 1997 to help ensure first-class, affordable telecommunications service for all consumers across the country, especially residents in high cost rural communities and low-income customers.


https://www.att.com/legal/terms.otherWirelessFeeSchedule.html
HydroAG
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The Broadband Infrastructure Fund or Proposition 8 was approved by Texas voters (69%), not just the legislature. The original bill, as filed, was requesting $5 billion. Just providing some more background info. I couldn't tell you much about choosing one option over another. Like you said, maybe someone much smarter than me could provide some insight.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/28/legislature-broadband-infrastructure-fund/
LOYAL AG
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doubledog said:

Remember when the government was allowed to "fee" the average phone customers to pay for "rural" phone lines?

FYI you are still paying that "fee"

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monthly fee charged to help AT&T recover its required contribution to the Federal Universal Service Fund. (Fund). The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) created the Fund in 1997 to help ensure first-class, affordable telecommunications service for all consumers across the country, especially residents in high cost rural communities and low-income customers.


https://www.att.com/legal/terms.otherWirelessFeeSchedule.html


Hey we only quit paying for the Spanish-American war like a decade ago.
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BrazosWifi
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Ok. I just saw this.

Although the media just picked up on this, it has been in the works for quite some time.

Back in May of 2022, the Feds announced funding based on each state's population and their "unserved" areas.
Some states have lots of unserved areas, others have few. Texas is in the middle. We have lots of unserved "area" due to West Texas but most of our population centers and adjacent areas are covered pretty well.

This program's rollout is a SLOOOOOW process and the NTIA wants fiber to everyone, even though that is not feasible in the near term.

Fiber construction is expensive and where populations get thin, the cost-benefit-analysis is very poor.
Many states are prioritizing fiber but allowing rural areas to be serviced by wireless.

We're not eligible in much of the Brazos Valley because of the quality our our (Brazos WiFi) service was above the 25/3 minimums in much of the area. Where we didn't service, other companies also had good services.

So, by doing a good job, I excluded our area from funding for fiber networks..... DOH!! This is ******ed but we are working with the government and you know how that goes.

Enter Starlink: In 2022, nobody believed that Starlink would work as good as the claims. So, the government has now set things in motion and they can't really change. Unfortunately for Starlink, that rules them out.

Truthfully, Starlink is an amazing technology but it does require CONSTANT rocket launches to keep it working. Satellites fail and have to be replaced. The low earth orbit also decays and drags them back into the atmosphere eventually.

My desire is for the Government to stop wasting taxpayer dollars on projects that the free market is handling on it's own but without a MASSIVE change in how things work, the government is going to continue to fund idiotic projects such as this one.

Oh, by the way, this whole thing is funded by that every rising tax on your telephone bill. Currently 34.4%.

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woodiewood
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BrazosWifi said:

Ok. I just saw this.

Although the media just picked up on this, it has been in the works for quite some time.

Back in May of 2022, the Feds announced funding based on each state's population and their "unserved" areas.
Some states have lots of unserved areas, others have few. Texas is in the middle. We have lots of unserved "area" due to West Texas but most of our population centers and adjacent areas are covered pretty well.

This program's rollout is a SLOOOOOW process and the NTIA wants fiber to everyone, even though that is not feasible in the near term.

Fiber construction is expensive and where populations get thin, the cost-benefit-analysis is very poor.
Many states are prioritizing fiber but allowing rural areas to be serviced by wireless.

We're not eligible in much of the Brazos Valley because of the quality our our (Brazos WiFi) service was above the 25/3 minimums in much of the area. Where we didn't service, other companies also had good services.

So, by doing a good job, I excluded our area from funding for fiber networks..... DOH!! This is ******ed but we are working with the government and you know how that goes.

Enter Starlink: In 2022, nobody believed that Starlink would work as good as the claims. So, the government has now set things in motion and they can't really change. Unfortunately for Starlink, that rules them out.

Truthfully, Starlink is an amazing technology but it does require CONSTANT rocket launches to keep it working. Satellites fail and have to be replaced. The low earth orbit also decays and drags them back into the atmosphere eventually.

My desire is for the Government to stop wasting taxpayer dollars on projects that the free market is handling on it's own but without a MASSIVE change in how things work, the government is going to continue to fund idiotic projects such as this one.

Oh, by the way, this whole thing is funded by that every rising tax on your telephone bill. Currently 34.4%.


I suspect it would be much less expwnsive to just assist in the payments of subscriptions to Starlink (or any other private service available) for those in rural areas who cannot afford it and be done with it. You can help a lot of people with much less than 5+ BILLION dollars and probably millions annuall of maintenace costs going forward with other methods.

Sort of like Brazos Transit. Give those in need vouchers to use to call a taxi or Uber a couple of times a week. I bet that would be a lot less expensive than the labor costs, vehicle costs, and maintenance costs of Brazos Transit now.

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woodiewood said:

BrazosWifi said:

Ok. I just saw this.

Although the media just picked up on this, it has been in the works for quite some time.

Back in May of 2022, the Feds announced funding based on each state's population and their "unserved" areas.
Some states have lots of unserved areas, others have few. Texas is in the middle. We have lots of unserved "area" due to West Texas but most of our population centers and adjacent areas are covered pretty well.

This program's rollout is a SLOOOOOW process and the NTIA wants fiber to everyone, even though that is not feasible in the near term.

Fiber construction is expensive and where populations get thin, the cost-benefit-analysis is very poor.
Many states are prioritizing fiber but allowing rural areas to be serviced by wireless.

We're not eligible in much of the Brazos Valley because of the quality our our (Brazos WiFi) service was above the 25/3 minimums in much of the area. Where we didn't service, other companies also had good services.

So, by doing a good job, I excluded our area from funding for fiber networks..... DOH!! This is ******ed but we are working with the government and you know how that goes.

Enter Starlink: In 2022, nobody believed that Starlink would work as good as the claims. So, the government has now set things in motion and they can't really change. Unfortunately for Starlink, that rules them out.

Truthfully, Starlink is an amazing technology but it does require CONSTANT rocket launches to keep it working. Satellites fail and have to be replaced. The low earth orbit also decays and drags them back into the atmosphere eventually.

My desire is for the Government to stop wasting taxpayer dollars on projects that the free market is handling on it's own but without a MASSIVE change in how things work, the government is going to continue to fund idiotic projects such as this one.

Oh, by the way, this whole thing is funded by that every rising tax on your telephone bill. Currently 34.4%.


I suspect it would be much less expwnsive to just assist in the payments of subscriptions to Starlink (or any other private service available) for those in rural areas who cannot afford it and be done with it. You can help a lot of people with much less than 5+ BILLION dollars and probably millions annuall of maintenace costs going forward with other methods.

Sort of like Brazos Transit. Give those in need vouchers to use to call a taxi or Uber a couple of times a week. I bet that would be a lot less expensive than the labor costs, vehicle costs, and maintenance costs of Brazos Transit now.




Agreed!
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techno-ag
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A fiber optic buildout wouldn't be bad. Maybe they could bury it along state highways and people living out there could tap into it if they wanted to.
BrazosWifi
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techno-ag said:

A fiber optic buildout wouldn't be bad. Maybe they could bury it along state highways and people living out there could tap into it if they wanted to.
I'm doing just that but it is VERY expensive. I'm about $7 million in and have only passed around 6,000 semi-rural and rural households.

At the end of the day, people who have chosen to live in the country have 3 choices: Wait for fiber, pay $120/mo for starlink, or find a WISP and pay somewhere in the $75-100/mo range for adequate but not blazing fast speeds.

If "High Speed" internet is a requirement for your life, living in the country may not be the best choice.
Personal choice HAS TO come into play at some point. I'm not for the government "saving people" from their choices.... I guess that's why I'm not a Democrat.
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Many people appreciate all you've done over the years.
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techno-ag said:

Many people appreciate all you've done over the years.
Thanks!
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Jim and Brazos WiFi are life savers for us country folks. Incredibly responsive to issues. Keeps me with them over Starlink.
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Starlink really has lived up to the hype, honestly. Is it fiber? No. But it runs and feels just like it. Is it a government mandated solution for the entire country? Absolutely not. But it's proving to be a great way to cover the rural areas that are hard to make sense financially for an independent company. We have Mid South Fiber and they were able to cover their entire service area in a rapid pace because they used their own pole access and have run everything overhead.

I've got a family member who uses Starlink around the Caldwell area and they are reliably getting over 100Mb/sec even during "peak" times and over 200Mb/sec the rest of the time. The latency is very low, comparable to really good Wisp services like Brazos WiFi and better than most. Their other option in Caldwell rural is Zochnet which is only 35Mb/s down and 10Mb/s up for the same $120/month. They are also notoriously plagued with outages.

It's been super reliable for them with very few outages. As Starlink has launched more satellites and rolled out their V2 satellites, their capacity issues that people saw when they first launched service have essentially gone away and they aren't prone to local weather event outages like hurricanes, tornadoes taking out towers, power outages, etc.
BrazosWifi
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AgProgrammer said:

Starlink really has lived up to the hype, honestly. Is it fiber? No. But it runs and feels just like it.
Agreed.

Their experience outside of Caldwell is typical of rural users. As soon as there is some density on that particular satellite (like suburbia), the loading becomes a problem and fiber shines through. But that's not really what Starlink was made for.

They are doing an amazing job in the rural market. Props to the team that envisioned, designed, and executed that deployment.
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