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Amtrak to the rescue! (High Speed Rail Project)

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GSS
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Who can waste more taxpayer $$ than our local Brazos Transit System? Amtrak, of course! The Texas Central Railway is on record, that Federal or State funding would not be needed or accepted....until it is. Now with an estimate of $40,000,000,000 ($40B) to build, sure to be increased, Amtrak just dumped $64 million of your tax $$ to "restart" the project.

Amtrak bailing out TCR
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ags4rocks
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Interesting
EBrazosAg
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Hey, don't downplay 0.16% of something!!!
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threecatcorner
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Damn it!

If they want to have Amtrak here, restart the old route with the schedule they used to have before they killed it.

They should not be bailing out Central Texas "Railroad." That thing is a joke.
LOYAL AG
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EBrazosAg said:

Hey, don't downplay 0.16% of something!!!



That's cute. It's ok because it's a small portion of the total despite them promising it would be $0? Isn't this how it always starts? Are you aware of the first income tax rates in the U.S.?

1% for $0 > $20k (that's $635,434 today)
2% for $20k > $50k
3% for $50k to $75k
4% for $75k to $100k
5% for $100k+

How does that compare to today? They always start small then eventually they have enough "investment" that they expect some measure of control until eventually you work for them.

If it can't succeed with private investment it should fail. Government should not pick winners and losers, we have more than enough history to prove that the winners are the politicians and their friends and the rest of us are losers.
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I like the concept of high speed rail. I don't like the concept of stealing private land to do it.

Why can the rail run down I 45 for the most part?
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Buford T. Justice
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Is there any way that the land owners could get royalties in exchange for the land? Seems like that might help with the process.
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Hammerheadjim said:

I like the concept of high speed rail. I don't like the concept of stealing private land to do it.

Why can the rail run down I 45 for the most part?
Yep. I Have been saying for the past five years that they should either run the high speed down the side ROW of I45 with an elevated rail-line over cross roads and other physical features where necessary. Doing so, little land will have to be confiscated from private landowners.

.The asinine part of this, is that if you look at the time savings it won't be what they think it will be.

Say you live in Garland and going to downtown Houston. Garland to the depot in the Cedars area of Dallas is 19 miles. In average day traffic in Dallas it would probably take you at least 20 to 30 minutes to get to the depot.

Of course you will need to get there a little early to either park or get dropped off, get in line, and go through security so lets add 20 minutes. Maybe you don't get on the first train and have to wait for the next one 20 minutes later? But we will assume you do.

So you get on the train and the run to Houston is 90 minutes to the Northwest Mall area of Houston, 8 miles from downtown Houston.

So you get to Houston, get off the train, go to get either an Uber or someone picks you up and drives you in traffic to downtown Houston. That's probably another 15 minutes or more. If you're going to rent a car, that's probably another 15 minutes to get it and get out of the depot.

So that's about 170 to 200 minutes or so minimum....about 3 hours or more.

The drive from Garland to downtown Houston is 253 miles/3 hrs, 50 minutes. so you are probably going to save less than an hour and not have your own auto and will have to go back on their schedule and not your's.

The only benefit I see of the high speed rail is that you don't put wear and tear on your own car, you don't drive in the traffic, you can sleep on the rail, and also do some computer work.

I am not sure that it is worth the confiscation of private property and the BILLIONS of dollars that 99% of the taxpapers who will pay for it and probably never use the train.

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Buford T. Justice said:

Is there any way that the land owners could get royalties in exchange for the land? Seems like that might help with the process.
You really expect that this boondoggle will make a dime for anyone other than the builders and those they lobbied to build it?
woodiewood
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Tim Weaver said:

Buford T. Justice said:

Is there any way that the land owners could get royalties in exchange for the land? Seems like that might help with the process.
You really expect that this boondoggle will make a dime for anyone other than the builders and those they lobbied to build it?
The landowners did get paid for the confiscation of the ROW. Comrades, they have no choice...the Party speaks, you get in line and march.

GSS
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woodiewood said:

Tim Weaver said:

Buford T. Justice said:

Is there any way that the land owners could get royalties in exchange for the land? Seems like that might help with the process.
You really expect that this boondoggle will make a dime for anyone other than the builders and those they lobbied to build it?
The landowners did get paid for the confiscation of the ROW. Comrades, they have no choice...the Party speaks, you get in line and march.


As the almost defunct Texas Central Railway did not receive eminent domain authority until their money ran out, the land acquired was bought via big $$ offers, some intimidation via the 'threat" of eminent domain, etc.

About 40% of the land needed has been purchased (with Texas Central apparently behind on tax payments..), with the big hammer Amtrak (and the Federal tax $$$) will add, look for more activity. The landowners in the projected path are currently screwed... can't risk improvements or investing in their own property.
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Edited to add, from a "pro-train" site:
"You may recall that while the pandemic stopped work on the bullet train project for nearly two years, Texas Central continued to be hammered by a handful of rural lawmakers and some landowners that dragged them repeatedly through courts on land rights, driving up costs. The Texas Supreme Court, in 2022, finally recognized that the company had eminent domain authority to acquire strips of land needed to build the rail line, but the initial funding for the project was used up and the railroad's board and CEO stepped down. 40% of the land needed for the high-speed rail line had already been acquired. Amtrak, already intertwined with a through-ticketing agreement with Texas Central, stepped up to help shepherd the project further down the track."

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