I can't imagine why you'd need to on briarcrest right there but we often do at Texas & Holleman.. It's the easiest way to head back to Bryan after eating at Harvey Washbangers. It doesn't take me any longer to u turn there than to turn left though.

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woodiewood said:

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13B said:

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U-turns should be illegal period. I hate being behind people that do it and have nearly ran into the back of several because I'm expecting them to just turn but instead they do a 180.

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If people don't get in a hurry and know who has the right of way, U-turns are a great way to move traffice through intersections.

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So, at Briarcrest and Hwy 6 red light, heading towards Target side from Bryan High side, in the turn lane, you think it is "a great way to move traffic through an intersection" (a very busy intersection mind you) to have someone making a U-turn there (both directions are green) backing up the turn lane that is already backed up to Sonic, waiting on a clear space to go the opposite direction (provided there is an opening)? Similar situation at Texas and Hollemon I believe. No, it is supremely selfish and could easily cause an accident because that action is so inconceivably dumb that most motorists would never expect someone to be that out of touch.

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Simple solution. Protected left/u-uturn with a green arrow.

I use the TX and Holleman intersection often. Approx 80% of South bound leftvturn traffic makes a Uturn. I count the cars and it is regularly 4 out of five.

maroon barchetta said:

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I saw someone get pulled over for disobeying the new lights for right hand turns from south holleman onto 2818. The sign says "no right turn on red" but people in the far right lane still think it is ok. The cop was in the far left a couple cars over waiting and the driver never even saw them.

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I see those right turn people every time I'm on 2818. They don't understand the process or don't care.

CSPD could patrol there, Texas/Harvey, Texas/Bush, and Texas/University and write ticket after ticket all day and all night.

Maybe, and I'm just spitballing here, but maybe the local councilman could suggest that as a revenue stream instead of charging people to park in front of their homes or bumping up taxes.

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Serious question here... What is the official rule for westbound George Bush turning north (right) onto 2818 if you are in the far right lane? All three lanes on George Bush are right turn only onto northbound 2818. The left two lanes are designed to turn right while cutting across lanes of traffic to use the turnaround lanes for heading south on 2818. Those two lanes have right turn only signage and a "no right turn on red" sign in between them. That clearly indicates that those two lanes can not turn right on red, and for good reason since they cut across lanes of traffic. The rightmost lane on George Bush has a concrete median dividing it from the other two lanes. It also has a right turn only sign but no attached "no right turn on red" sign. One could possibly argue that the "no right turn on red" only applies to the left two lanes since the sign for "no right turn on red" is between the signs for those two lanes, and the rightmost lane is separated by a concrete median. Also, Texas driving code states that when turning right from the rightmost lane, you must turn directly into the rightmost lane of the road you are turning onto, making it a much safer right turn.

So what would be the official rule in this instance? I can't seem to find this specific situation online. It would be interesting how a traffic court would interpret this since these new fangled super-intersections are fairly new.

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Approx 80%. I count the cars and it is regularly 4 out of five.

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Username checks out.

That little concrete divider needs some explanation. They didn't do a very good job of detailing the purpose and it's just going to confuse drivers who are already easily confused.

That one makes sense and also would make sense for anyone doing the same from Park Place.

Sounds like the Kroger needs a median.

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Sounds like the Kroger needs a median.

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Rapier108 said:

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When it comes to u-turns, something else people need to realize.

If you're turning right from a side street and have a red light, you do NOT have the right of way, even if someone is doing a u-turn on Texas, University, etc.

Can't even count how many times I've seen people making a legal u-turn be forced to stop in the middle to the road, simply because of someone making a right on red.

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The problem is that you do not know when or if someone is making a u turn. Must all right turners wait for a green light? If so why not just ban right turns on red or have a signal for right turns (see university drive, texas to wellborn)

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I use the TX and Holleman intersection often. Approx 80% of South bound leftvturn traffic makes a Uturn. I count the cars and it is regularly 4 out of five.

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There is a solution to this... Make Park Place, HEB parking lot and Washbangers drives an entrance only. Force HEBers to exit on to Holeman or Park Place (allow HEBers to left turn on Park Place).

HEBers have always been turning left onto Park Place.

Someone doesn't remember the UPROAR when that HEB was built and people started using Park place to leave.

Not always

If you aren't sure, then wait.

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If you aren't sure, then wait.

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It's a left turn lane. Not a u-turn lane.

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maroon barchetta said:

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trouble said:

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If you aren't sure, then wait.

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It's a left turn lane. Not a u-turn lane.

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And right on red is only if it's unobstructed. The person without a red light has right of way.

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No kidding. Tell me more about how traffic works.

These u-turn folks just don't plan well or can't be bothered to go around the block.

My favorite are the geniuses that leave out of HEB on Park Place, rush to cut across Texas to the left turn lane, and then want to u-turn to go north on Texas.

It's just lazy.

U turns are legal there. I'm not gonna stop doing them.

TX/Holleman has been U-turn hell for years.

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Just pay attention to what the car in the left turn lane is doing. It's pretty obvious if they are continuing through the intersection to turn left.

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I disagree it is not always obvious. Just try using that argument in a court of law.
Perhaps your auto has a special "I am making a u-turn signal".

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U turns are legal there. I'm not gonna stop doing them.

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A few more wrecks at Holeman and Texas and TxDOT will put up a "no U turn" sign and it won't be legal anymore. Sadly, someone will have to get hurt before that happens.

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Just pay attention to what the car in the left turn lane is doing. It's pretty obvious if they are continuing through the intersection to turn left.

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I disagree it is not always obvious. Just try using that argument in a court of law.
Perhaps your auto has a special "I am making a u-turn signal".

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But if I'm making the turn and you hit me turning right on red, I don't need to make an argument. I have the right of way.

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doubledog said:

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trouble said:

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Just pay attention to what the car in the left turn lane is doing. It's pretty obvious if they are continuing through the intersection to turn left.

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I disagree it is not always obvious. Just try using that argument in a court of law.
Perhaps your auto has a special "I am making a u-turn signal".

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But if I'm making the turn and you hit me turning right on red, I don't need to make an argument. I have the right of way.

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Not always....

If you are making a U-turn at Holeman and Texas to go south, and you turn into the far right lane while a right turn driver is turning into the same right lane then you may be at fault.

https://crosleylaw.com/blog/u-turn-laws-in-texas-whos-at-fault-after-a-crash/#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20popular%20belief%2C%20most,in%20the%20far%2Dleft%20lane

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trouble said:

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doubledog said:

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trouble said:

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Just pay attention to what the car in the left turn lane is doing. It's pretty obvious if they are continuing through the intersection to turn left.

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I disagree it is not always obvious. Just try using that argument in a court of law.
Perhaps your auto has a special "I am making a u-turn signal".

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But if I'm making the turn and you hit me turning right on red, I don't need to make an argument. I have the right of way.

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Not always....

If you are making a U-turn at Holeman and Texas to go south, and you turn into the far right lane while a right turn driver is turning into the same right lane then you may be at fault.

https://crosleylaw.com/blog/u-turn-laws-in-texas-whos-at-fault-after-a-crash/#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20popular%20belief%2C%20most,in%20the%20far%2Dleft%20lane

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Cool. If both the person turning right and the person making a u-turn are paying attention to the other cars around them, particularly if there is a protected turn on green arrow, then there shouldn't be a collision. However, the person turning right on red must yield to the u-turn.

In other words, the problem isn't the medians or the u-turns, it is that none of you seem to know how to drive properly.

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doubledog said:

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trouble said:

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doubledog said:

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trouble said:

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Just pay attention to what the car in the left turn lane is doing. It's pretty obvious if they are continuing through the intersection to turn left.

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I disagree it is not always obvious. Just try using that argument in a court of law.
Perhaps your auto has a special "I am making a u-turn signal".

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But if I'm making the turn and you hit me turning right on red, I don't need to make an argument. I have the right of way.

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Not always....

If you are making a U-turn at Holeman and Texas to go south, and you turn into the far right lane while a right turn driver is turning into the same right lane then you may be at fault.

https://crosleylaw.com/blog/u-turn-laws-in-texas-whos-at-fault-after-a-crash/#:~:text=Contrary%20to%20popular%20belief%2C%20most,in%20the%20far%2Dleft%20lane

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Cool. If both the person turning right and the person making a u-turn are paying attention to the other cars around them, particularly if there is a protected turn on green arrow, then there shouldn't be a collision. However, the person turning right on red must yield to the u-turn.

In other words, the problem isn't the medians or the u-turns, it is that none of you seem to know how to drive properly.

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In theory, yes. In practice? These things help lawyers make boat payments.