Any recommendations for sales person at BV Toyota? Don't want to walk in cold and get roll of the dice. Seems to be a lot of turnover.

Also Allen Honda if any recs there.

Thanks in advance.

Just had a great experience with Patrick Loudermilk up there. shoot me an email and im happy to share contact. jbm at thesleepstation dot com

i would go to the automotive board and ask for assistance

I don't know for sure how to know what a good deal is… it seems relative to the time of year and current market but the most I have ever heard of from Toyota is 20% off msrp with lots of effort looking all over the state to achieve that. I haven't bought a car in several years but my expectation would be 10-15% off is a good deal. Be interested to know if others have a different view on that range. My last two purchases were 16% (Toyota) and 17% (gmc) with a good bit of effort. One trick amongst the millions they have that I caught last time was some dealerships create a second number they lead you to believe is MSRP. Their % off "MSRP" is higher since the numerator is artificially inflated. My understanding is you should always compare MSRP from the manufacturer when comparing dealerships (love to know if I'm wrong about that). I found it isn't always the giant, slimy Houston dealership (bad experience with a bait and switch) that has the best price but I also found the dealership in my town wanted me to take $7k less for my trade in and pay 10% more for the new car for the convenience of working with them

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What toyota model did you purchase for 16% off msrp ?

Tundra

gigem92 said:

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If you go with Allen Honda, I would recommend Honda Bob (McGill). In my opinion he is the best they have. We have worked with him multiple times and he has never pressured us and will work his butt off to find you what you want.

I will say that when we bought last year we actually went to John Eagle Honda because they had what we wanted and they were not adding the ridiculous market adjustment which Allen was still adding at the time. I don't know if they are still doing that. Felt like I was cheating on Bob, but that extra $3,000 was a no-go for me.

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They were still doing this as of last month. I described this in my previous post that appears to have been deleted by the moderators with no reasoning given.

Was this a straight out purchase or did you have a trade-in on this deal?

What year was this ?

And what Toyota dealership was this?

Just curious why you're not using them again

I bought a few Toyotas from San Antonio pre covid but on the last ones I purchased the dealer wanted to play stupid games at Cavender toyota with their best price no haggle bs. Post covid I've actually seen the opposite, Dallas had some of the worst market adjustments in all of Texas from what I was seeing Followed by Austin and Houston

Purchased new at BCS Toyota mid-2020. They tried sneaking in a relatively low fee that was not in the numbers the sales guy and I had agreed upon. Luckily, I had it in writing (well, text message) and after some back and forth, the manager agreed to honor the initially agreed upon price. Tried making me feel bad about it though.

Because of that, plus the finance guy being a jerk, I won't buy from there again. Fred Haas in Houston will probably be where I go next time.

Something else to keep in mind at least from my experience from working at a dealership for three years is if you didn't buy local and you bring it in for service you will always be at the back of the list. Also if you have 36,010 miles and a problem pops up just out of warranty, if you bought local there is discretion for them to work with you on a resolution. If you bought out of town you are usually sol in this situation unless you take it back to the selling dealer. Not saying this is worth $2000 or $3000 but given the choice of paying $500 more or having to go out of town and pay $500 less I'll probably take the local price knowing if the need ever arises for service that I won't end up on the ****list.

Last time we went to Allen Honda the car we looked at had a $5k market adjustment. The equivalent vehicle in Houston was under MSRP.

Also their service center was dishonest with a neighbor about needing repairs to get her van inspected. They gave her a list of items that would be $1,500 and implied she needed them done or no inspection. I went back to the dealer with the list and called them out on their lies. I would not do business with them and their current management.

JP76 said:

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Something else to keep in mind at least from my experience from working at a dealership for three years is if you didn't buy local and you bring it in for service you will always be at the back of the list. Also if you have 36,010 miles and a problem pops up just out of warranty, if you bought local there is discretion for them to work with you on a resolution. If you bought out of town you are usually sol in this situation unless you take it back to the selling dealer. Not saying this is worth $2000 or $3000 but given the choice of paying $500 more or having to go out of town and pay $500 less I'll probably take the local price knowing if the need ever arises for service that I won't end up on the ****list.

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I get where you're coming from, yet the handful of service experiences I've had here have been equally ****ty regardless of if I bought the vehicle from them.

If they try to screw me up front, I have no trust in them to take care of me down the road. I won't deal with Chevy, GMC, or Honda here. Ford is a mixed bag.

go see Patrick Loudermilk. Good honest God-fearing man.

Denton and Burleson are good options too.

2019 in Lubbock. I looked all over Texas at the time. I did trade in. I would probably use them again. They did trick me by telling me I was at 20% off MSRP but it was 20% off their inflated number. I didn't know that until the next day after purchase. Still a great discount as I mentioned so I didn't sweat it but dishonest salesman bother me. They honored their phone quote on the 10 year old tundra trade in while the Toyota in Midland offered $7k less and very little discount on the new one. To Midland's credit, they told me on the spot they wouldn't be able to compete with other dealerships on trade in value or new car discount.

Do NOT pay for any ceramic coat, window tint, Scotchgard, etc.

Do NOT pay any market adjustments.

If you have to drive to Austin or Houston, it is worth it. As soon as people stop giving in, these dealerships will stop with these antics.