maroon barchetta said:

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kevmiller said:

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That would be great! The band is always the last out of the lot, having to load all the equipment after the game. Not to mention they have practice at 6.30am the morning of the game, so up at 5.15am, bed at 1-2am. Or let the band head out after halftime. I think their mental well being for schoolwork is more important than playing the second half.

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All parents complaining about bands schedule, maybe the band doesn't need to play at football games if it's too much for them?
Rest of us wouldn't have to sit through a 30 minute halftime then

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You think they have halftime just so bands can play?

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A 30 minute halftime… absolutely 100%
Otherwise they would have a 20 min halftime like college and like Hs football used to have. It was moved to 28 min to allow bands more time

kevmiller said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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kevmiller said:

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Abbyag06 said:

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That would be great! The band is always the last out of the lot, having to load all the equipment after the game. Not to mention they have practice at 6.30am the morning of the game, so up at 5.15am, bed at 1-2am. Or let the band head out after halftime. I think their mental well being for schoolwork is more important than playing the second half.

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All parents complaining about bands schedule, maybe the band doesn't need to play at football games if it's too much for them?
Rest of us wouldn't have to sit through a 30 minute halftime then

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You think they have halftime just so bands can play?

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A 30 minute halftime… absolutely 100%
Otherwise they would have a 20 min halftime like college and like Hs football used to have. It was moved to 28 min to allow bands more time

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ZOMG!!! 8 MINUTES MORE!!

maroon barchetta said:

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cavscout96 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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Aggie said:

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MS08 said:

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Trying to play weather man to avoid some rain...and mud? What have we come to? This never happens 18 years ago under my Friday night lights experience. Might as well give them both Ws and participation trophies. Ridiculous.

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Has nothing to do with rain.. it's because of possible lightning

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Avoiding something like the 3+ hour lightning delay one of the Aggie games had at the beginning of the season.

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Cshs had a long lightning delay on their first or second home game this season. They started the game very late and the opposing team had a LONG trip back home very late.

So, no... it is not about these kids not being tough like some of you were in your Glory Days. This is not a nice, English rain shower that is expected Friday night. Its a storm predicted to have lightning, hail, and a chance of tornados.

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just like every other event predicted here in that last five years? And like 96% of those, it will likely amount to nothing, but it sure gets those eyeballs on Shel and his compadres.

and to the 3 hour lightning delay for the A&M game. Wasn't it something like and hour into the delay before it even started to rain?

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You aren't getting it.

It's not about the rain.

It's about the lightning.

Note: photo courtesy of Stewade and TexAgs

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no. I certainly get it. I was at the game and the lightning, while within the SEC minimums, was actually on the SE side of CS and moving AWAY from the stadium. The second cell, that produced the rain, came form the north almost an hour after the initial delay.

trying to guess when and where the lightning might appear is pretty futile. Play the game. If it's delayed, wait it out. if you're too inconvenienced by a lightning delay, leave. Pretty simple.

Alternately, we could clutch at pearls about what time the auxiliaries get home / wake up / ride a bus somewhere the following day and scramble to reschedule which I guess is where most of ya'll are.

My sense is that NWS and met folks tend to sensationalize the threat in order to err on the side of caution. No one gets aggravated if the hail never materializes.... I find the hype pretty tiresome.

kevmiller said:

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That would be great! The band is always the last out of the lot, having to load all the equipment after the game. Not to mention they have practice at 6.30am the morning of the game, so up at 5.15am, bed at 1-2am. Or let the band head out after halftime. I think their mental well being for schoolwork is more important than playing the second half.

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All parents complaining about bands schedule, maybe the band doesn't need to play at football games if it's too much for them?
Rest of us wouldn't have to sit through a 30 minute halftime then

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No complaints on the schedule from this former band parent - that's part of football / marching season and the kids and parents are aware and expect it. "Bandtober" is over now - 90% of marching bands are done with competition for the season and 100% will be done by next Saturday.

Marching season and football performances are the highlight of the year for band kids. They love entertaining the crowd while the football players are on halftime. You'd be sitting there listening to nothing for 30 minutes while the football team had their halftime meetings anyway.

Also, on Friday nights before early Saturday contests, it's very common for bands to leave early from away games to get home and get some rest.

cavscout96 said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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cavscout96 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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MS08 said:

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Trying to play weather man to avoid some rain...and mud? What have we come to? This never happens 18 years ago under my Friday night lights experience. Might as well give them both Ws and participation trophies. Ridiculous.

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Has nothing to do with rain.. it's because of possible lightning

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Avoiding something like the 3+ hour lightning delay one of the Aggie games had at the beginning of the season.

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Cshs had a long lightning delay on their first or second home game this season. They started the game very late and the opposing team had a LONG trip back home very late.

So, no... it is not about these kids not being tough like some of you were in your Glory Days. This is not a nice, English rain shower that is expected Friday night. Its a storm predicted to have lightning, hail, and a chance of tornados.

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just like every other event predicted here in that last five years? And like 96% of those, it will likely amount to nothing, but it sure gets those eyeballs on Shel and his compadres.

and to the 3 hour lightning delay for the A&M game. Wasn't it something like and hour into the delay before it even started to rain?

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You aren't getting it.

It's not about the rain.

It's about the lightning.

Note: photo courtesy of Stewade and TexAgs

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no. I certainly get it. I was at the game and the lightning, while within the SEC minimums, was actually on the SE side of CS and moving AWAY from the stadium. The second cell, that produced the rain, came form the north almost an hour after the initial delay.

trying to guess when and where the lightning might appear is pretty futile. Play the game. If it's delayed, wait it out. if you're too inconvenienced by a lightning delay, leave. Pretty simple.

Alternately, we could clutch at pearls about what time the auxiliaries get home / wake up / ride a bus somewhere the following day and scramble to reschedule which I guess is where most of ya'll are.

My sense is that NWS and met folks tend to sensationalize the threat in order to err on the side of caution. No one gets aggravated if the hail never materializes.... I find the hype pretty tiresome.

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They have rules/policies in place for lightning strikes within a certain distance.
Doesn't matter what you can see... it matters what the radar and lightning detection is "seeing'.

And I'm sure the decision was made based on the band needing to be on busses at 3am the next morning.

You seem to want the school to "fail to plan" here and just hope everything turns out okay, even though they are getting good information about what could cause a 2-3 hour delay and screw up bigger plans.

The band going to competition may not matter to you, but it's a huge deal for the school and all the band members.

Ignoring that a storm is most definitely going to move through would just be foolish. Maybe the storm won't be as bad as they say, but there will be a storm.

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cavscout96 said:

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maroon barchetta said:

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cavscout96 said:

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91_Aggie said:

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Smeghead4761 said:

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Aggie said:

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MS08 said:

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Trying to play weather man to avoid some rain...and mud? What have we come to? This never happens 18 years ago under my Friday night lights experience. Might as well give them both Ws and participation trophies. Ridiculous.

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Has nothing to do with rain.. it's because of possible lightning

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Avoiding something like the 3+ hour lightning delay one of the Aggie games had at the beginning of the season.

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Cshs had a long lightning delay on their first or second home game this season. They started the game very late and the opposing team had a LONG trip back home very late.

So, no... it is not about these kids not being tough like some of you were in your Glory Days. This is not a nice, English rain shower that is expected Friday night. Its a storm predicted to have lightning, hail, and a chance of tornados.

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just like every other event predicted here in that last five years? And like 96% of those, it will likely amount to nothing, but it sure gets those eyeballs on Shel and his compadres.

and to the 3 hour lightning delay for the A&M game. Wasn't it something like and hour into the delay before it even started to rain?

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You aren't getting it.

It's not about the rain.

It's about the lightning.

Note: photo courtesy of Stewade and TexAgs

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no. I certainly get it. I was at the game and the lightning, while within the SEC minimums, was actually on the SE side of CS and moving AWAY from the stadium. The second cell, that produced the rain, came form the north almost an hour after the initial delay.

trying to guess when and where the lightning might appear is pretty futile. Play the game. If it's delayed, wait it out. if you're too inconvenienced by a lightning delay, leave. Pretty simple.

Alternately, we could clutch at pearls about what time the auxiliaries get home / wake up / ride a bus somewhere the following day and scramble to reschedule which I guess is where most of ya'll are.

My sense is that NWS and met folks tend to sensationalize the threat in order to err on the side of caution. No one gets aggravated if the hail never materializes.... I find the hype pretty tiresome.

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They have rules/policies in place for lightning strikes within a certain distance.
Doesn't matter what you can see... it matters what the radar and lightning detection is "seeing'.

And I'm sure the decision was made based on the band needing to be on busses at 3am the next morning.

You seem to want the school to "fail to plan" here and just hope everything turns out okay, even though they are getting good information about what could cause a 2-3 hour delay and screw up bigger plans.

The band going to competition may not matter to you, but it's a huge deal for the school and all the band members.

Ignoring that a storm is most definitely going to move through would just be foolish. Maybe the storm won't be as bad as they say, but there will be a storm.

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I was monitoring the RADAR and in real time, so there is that......

If the band comp is that important, waive them off for the game and they can go home and get a good night's rest.

You don't cancel or reschedule a FB game because it might rain.

Radar shows lightning now, or where it might strike miles from the storm?

Good to know.

Tell us more, Mr. Science.

Build a dome for all the schools to use. Retractable roof

Problem solved

This is TEXAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL FOR PETE'S SAKE!!!!

(Sarcasm)

I can understand moving the football games with thunderstorms predicted for this evening.

However, this is ridiculous: https://www.kwtx.com/2022/11/04/buckholts-isd-cancels-classes-anticipation-severe-weather/

Even though it doesn't involve as many students in numbers, almost all of the other high school sports have games that aren't on Friday during their regular seasons. These games often cause late night/early morning returns home to then get up amd go to school the next day. Several schools in west Texas have 3 or 4 hour drives one way to their closest district games. Many other districts regularly play varsity football on Thursdays because of stadium availability and non-varsity football almost always play on days other Fridays.

Part of being involved in extra-curricular activities is the acknowledgement that you will miss class sometimes and have to go back to school after a short night's sleep. Learning to balance that is just part of it. Good coaches will help kids who are struggling academically to put that first before playing/competing. If the coach won't, it is up to the student and their families to make academics the priority which sometimes means making hard choices.

Weather is often hit or miss when it comes to predictions. However, being prudent and trying to prevent unnecessary delays and endangering lives because of severe weather is wise.

P.S. The Consol game is still being played tonight because Leander wouldn't agree to the move to Thursday. Hopefully, they are able to play without long delays.

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I can understand moving the football games with thunderstorms predicted for this evening.

However, this is ridiculous: https://www.kwtx.com/2022/11/04/buckholts-isd-cancels-classes-anticipation-severe-weather/

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Yeah, now that I can agree with.
The "out of abundance of caution" phrase has become accepted now for coward administrators to do silly things.

maroon barchetta said:

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Radar shows lightning now, or where it might strike miles from the storm?

Good to know.

Tell us more, Mr. Science

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let's see, if it shows all the strikes in the last 30 minutes, and and they are clustered in one spot, and that cluster moves in a direction away from a venue, it doesn't take much more than an average intelligence to deduce that the threat is moving away from the venue and not toward it. Couple that information with the precipitation overlay that confirms the pattern and add in actual visual observation, and I'd say you have enough empirical evidence to state with a high degree of certainty that the threat is minimal and becoming less and less in short order.

Do I need a Met degree to pull all of that together, or can I use my own tools and eyes?

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Even though it doesn't involve as many students in numbers, almost all of the other high school sports have games that aren't on Friday during their regular seasons. These games often cause late night/early morning returns home to then get up amd go to school the next day.

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Great points, but the difference is scheduled events allow for curriculum planning, to hopefully accommodate completion of classes. Moving a varsity level football game a night earlier, within the same week, throws classes and scheduled tests to a secondary status.

As mentioned earlier, public school education took a severe hit 2020-2021, efforts should be made at every level to reverse the decline, IMO.

I see your point, but my sons' teachers rarely "plan" for students who they know will be out unless it is a school wide functions (holiday, pep rally, guest speaker, etc.). Some will be understanding and allow extra time for assignements if they have an game/event the night before, but most do not.

UIL Rules for Lightning are:

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Suspend play for thirty minutes and take shelter immediately.. Once activities have been suspended, wait at least thirty minutes following the last sound of thunder or lightning flash prior to resuming an activity or returning outdoors.

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Most stadiums these days have lightning detectors which can detect a lightning strike within ten miles or so, and will sound a siren if lightning is detected.

Regarding extracurriculars and school work - most extracurriculars only last a season, and during the season, kids have to plan and get their work done. During marching season, our directors have a study hall one or two days during class period so kids can have extra time for catch-up. And, all this planning is a valuable lesson for the kids and prepares them for college or the real world. Finally, the benefits of participating in the extracurricular are worth the trade-off of maybe a temporary slight hit in academics during the season. If a kid can't balance both, then they should prioritize their academics, but in reality most kids in extracurriculars tend to do really well academically anyway.

My kids have graduated now, but when they look back on their high school years, all their best memories are from the extracurriculars they participated in, not a test they aced.

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My kids have graduated now, but when they look back on their high school years, all their best memories are from the extracurriculars they participated in, not a test they aced.

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Yep.

After all of the shut downs and limited return to school that was pushed on kids in 2020 and 2021, I just laugh when people say anything about academics being first.

They didn't care about academics when they were pushing that agenda.

They also didn't care that they were stealing memories.

I grew up playing sports in the 70's and 80's and we had games rescheduled due to possible severe storms.

And that was when it was sacrilege to not play on Friday night.

Wow, are you a parent of any of the students involved in a football game? The players need a break, the band is there to entertain everyone in the stands while they do that. You do not have to watch them, go for a walk, go get food, but to comment like that is insensitive. The band spends weeks of their summer vacation, 8-9 extra hours of practice a week during school to put on a good show. I am very involved and the band kids love performing for people. You are by no means obligated to stay and watch if you are that unhappy of a person.

If a kid can't handle making up a test/homework or if they're going to fail their standardized testing because one football game was moved, they don't need to be in football/band/cheer. Extracurriculars are for kids that are capable of handling their business and have earned the right to participate. If your kid can't handle a minor disruption to their schedule, you need to be the adult and pull them out of the activity so that they can concentrate on what's important. Parents have the ability to fix this "problem," so they should fix it instead of complaining.

I'm guessing everybody in the NINE tornado warning areas is not thinking the forecasters were just looking for attention.

Paris got hit and people are missing. They don't care about football.

maroon barchetta said:

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I'm guessing everybody in the NINE tornado warning areas is not thinking the forecasters were just looking for attention.

Paris got hit and people are missing. They don't care about football.

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Just stop it already. You just need some random guy in the stands watching the weather on his phone where lightning is and he can tell everyone about the danger.

You just can't make changes to events because the NWS makes dire warnings about bad weather that is coming through. Planning ahead for safety is for sheeple and cowards.

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MS08 said:

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Trying to play weather man to avoid some rain...and mud? What have we come to? This never happens 18 years ago under my Friday night lights experience. Might as well give them both Ws and participation trophies. Ridiculous.

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Has nothing to do with rain.. it's because of possible lightning

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...and the possibility of tornados.

For decades, we have had basketball teams dragging home 11pm to 12M from from distant away games during the school week. Hasn't appeared to be any major academic issues.