BISD Deserves Better

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officerfred
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I encourage everyone in Bryan to watch yesterday's Bryan city council meeting. Listen carefully for the contempt displayed toward the school district.

Here:https://bryantx.new.swagit.com/videos/186413

The disrespect and shade thrown at BISD, its leadership, and the volunteer BISD board members by the mayor and sitting members is disappointing and heartbreaking. Bryan city leadership was defensive doing real lasting damage with the comments made. The speeches given by almost all of the city council revolved around serving their own interests and reputation vs. moving forward in a spirit of cooperation and putting the city and school district first. During a meeting that was designed to usher in an improved level of trust and cooperation, shot after shot was fired at BISD. The damage done was deep and wide. The city council should try treating its local school district partner with more respect. Unfortunately, real estate developers seem to be the real "stakeholders" in the city of Bryan. Make no mistake, they get treated well. Our schools have a historic level of challenges hiring teachers and educating our children. The city of Bryan just made that much harder.

In the end, the city approved the location, calling it a bad decision and a mess that was all the school district's fault. The thousands of BISD employees and parents should think carefully about who we elect to serve our city.
michellecan
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It only takes one wrong vote to ruin this city.
Sweet Kitten Feet
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Bro. That video's 4 hours long. Maybe a little context instead of a rant would help.
officerfred
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Ha...that's fair. I thought about pinging a time, but the comments are throughout the entire meeting.
ChampsAg
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I see you trolling...

Two posts today to get everyone in an uproar. Nice job!
EBrazosAg
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One can talk about emotions and feelings all they want. It seems clear that the COB always wanted (and maybe was led to believe) that the bus barn would be on the back of the property away from the intersection. It also seems clear that at some point in time - maybe early on - but I bet later - BISD decided they wanted main road frontage and then decided to live or die on that hill. I am sure each side has reasonable reasons for their position. But in the end it ended up being a deal about who could push best. BISD obviously won last night, but they may have spent political capital they wish to have back in pocket some day. I got no stake or beef with either. Just my observation- BISD turned this into a bonfire from a small burn. It worked this time. Might not next time.
WTM
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I opened this thread thinking it was going to be something ENTIRELY different! Yes, the site was approved with the building pushed back over 500 feet from the front, but I assumed that would be the outcome as there really wasn't anything else that could be done. The story here is in how all of this came to pass. I have been called was names, told I was uninformed, wrong, spreading misinformation, etc. and but I think I had a pretty good grasp on the situation overall and most people that "called me out" challenge me with "feels" and emotion not facts.

I still maintain the problem from the beginning was a lack of planning and due diligence followed by a lack of communication by the district. I think the city staff bears some culpability as well in not communicating well with P&Z (see below) when plans changed, but still overall the district created the problem and then played the victim. In the end it works out as there is no other solution, but a LOT of blame is being heaped on the city when it should not be. Council and P&Z were essentially ambushed by a problem they did not create. Here is a summary of the problems:

1. This site is not an ideal location for access, physical location, and cost. See BISD PDF from Aug 2020 where they discuss that at the time of purchase, the district was under contract for Marino Rd for a transport hub and listed this site as a host of alternate locations with primary use being schools and a transport hub as an alternate.

2. The sale of the property is misrepresented. The BISD letter states Blinn held the land for over 10 years and then it has been stated on social media that it sat for sale over a year and "no one wanted it." Both untrue. Blinn bought that land at the end of 2015 and when the district approached them about it, they listed it on a govt auction site for under 30 days where BISD submitted the only bid. No realtors, no signs, no public notice. Based on other land around there at the time, 4.5mil also seems steep. Especially if the back half cannot be used effectively. It has been acknowledged the back of the land sits in a flood plain and has transmission lines, but somehow this was missed on the front end purchase.

3. The "crisis of time". Transportation has needed a new facility and been promised one for at least 5 years since I was on the board. The district CHOSE to start building a new school on top of the old transport hub without having a replacement or solid plan in place. Transportation officials complained about this almost 2 years ago because I got phone calls asking for ideas and being told what a bad idea it was. Now all of a sudden, the school can't be built because transportation is in the way. Whose fault is that? (Hint, the districts planning). A better solution all around would have been to use Leonard Rd for a school and keep transport hub where it is.

4. Budget. The voted-on bond in 2020 shows 65mil for a new school, transportation hub, fence at the stadium and a half dozen other projects. Just the 2 buildings are now projected at 80 plus the land at 4.5. Money here means money elsewhere not spent. On FB, I stated the project was $40mil. A board member berated me and said I was spreading "misinformation" about cost and false information. She stated it was $30mi. She then posted the Bond Steering Committee Document with the estimated construction price at $35mil and the land as a separate line item. They paid $4.5mil for the land… so $39.5 mil total for this project.

I was told I don't support kids, employees, bus drivers, etc. We talk about supporting kids and transport staff? Transportation said they needed 20 to 25 busses 18 months ago and the bond has new busses listed (but not a set number). They are getting 11. Things get cut to make up for more expensive buildings.

5. Bait and Switch. A lot of the discussion here has been around the bait and switch the district pulled with the plan. I and others have stated the facility was meant to always be at the back with a future school or retail up front (not retyping all the reasons why this would be beneficial to have a school up front). I have been challenged over this and told I do not know what I am talking about and accused me of spreading misinformation for stating the district was "moving the building around."

The district plays the victim stating that everything was approved by city staff ahead of time before the purchase and P&Z just yanked the rug. The truth is what I have been saying all along: the facility was meant to be at the back from the very beginning. That is the assumption staff worked on and P&Z was expecting. There is a KBTX article from Sept 2021 with a quote from Dr Whitbeck where she discusses putting a school on the front of the property. "We will have about half of that land left over. It can be used for a potential school, even up to middle school size," said Whitbeck. Then in October 2021 the proposals being used with City Staff showed the facility in the back. KBTX had a story this week where they referenced this document which showed the front being left open. Dr Carrabine stated this was done before a feasibility study showed the back area could not be used. My question is how in the hell did this all go unnoticed during a due diligence period? How did almost 6 months pass before someone realized the back is a flood plain and can't really be used?

This is where the breakdown on the city side occurred. Apparently after the study by the district, sometime around January / February 2022, the district let the City planning office know about the issues but P&Z but was never brought into the loop. They were still operating under the assumption the front would be used for a school, retail, etc. so when the district brought forth the rezoning plan in August, it caught them off guard. Why the land wasn't rezoned before purchase as a contingency to the sale is also beyond me. To prevent something like this in the future it has been suggested that a BISD board member be involved with P&Z as part of the planning committee.

So again, I see no alternative but to move forward on the current property and location on said property as there really isn't an alternative. Doesn't mean the process hasn't been a disaster. Poor planning and execution led to a crisis of the district's making and now they are playing victim and blaming the city. Non-central location, overpaid land that can only be partially used, over budget building, way behind schedule (they went to P&Z in Aug 16th, 2022, so at most the city has contributed to a 6-to-7-week delay), building a self-proclaimed "legacy" building while still not addressing pay / hours / affordable insurance for drivers etc. Then sending out an email to all parents where the district could play victim and blame the city for the current situation when they are the ones that created the situation. That is why I felt compelled to call out the hypocrisy of the situation.

You are right, BISD does deserve better: the employees, including bus drivers, and students. We as tax payers deserve better too. I am just not calling out the City.
Vinewood_03
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Sounds like BISD board needs to be re-evaluated come election time. This could have (and still might be) a disaster.
Jharlin
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Wow. You just won't let it go, Trey Moore. You are continuing to spread misinformation. I will continue to call you out on it. You want to add costs to this project to help make your argument. We do not roll the cost of the land into the cost of the project. Anyone who is interested in the process used in BISD for the 2020 Bond can see it here: https://www.bryanisd.org/apps/pages/index.jsp?uREC_ID=2121553&type=d&pREC_ID=2154261

I encourage readers to do your own validation of the facts. I am not sure why a former board member, one who ended his service in 2019 prior to the passing of this bond, who was not part of any conversations in these issues, is bent on trying to further divide this community other than for personal and perhaps political gains.

The city council approved the request. The district is able to build what is needed and what they legally are entitled to build to support educational functions of running a school district. That is the work ahead. I hope we can focus on a positive and productive future rather than innuendo and politics.
oldag00
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Only in government (school, city, county, state, nation - take your pick) would the cost to acquire the land on which a building is constructed not be considered a cost of the project.

Was the land gifted to the ISD? It's my understanding it was purchased for cash. It doesn't matter whether that cash came from the bond issue, property taxes, or a rainy day fund. It's still a part of the project.
WTM
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Julie, you don't get it. What did I post above that is wrong? You and your son Hunter can insult me and throw around accusations but you do nothing to factually show where I am wrong.

You post the same bond link that shows "estimated construction 35 million" with the land as a seperate line item on another page. What about all of the other points? These aren't opinions, they are facts and dates and clear acts of negligence / incompetence regarding the land deal.

I did not start this thread. Someone influenced by the false narrative of that letter and people like Hairston seizing on it did.

I will "let it go" but as long as the districts letter you and Mark signed your names to, sets the district up as the victim, the City as a villain, and leaves out the districts own missteps while sounding a HUGE alarm in the community I will have no problems posting the facts and questions that should have been asked.
WTM
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You also love to point out how I left the board in 2019, a fact I never dispute, but then use that to insinuate therr is no way I could possibly know "what goes on." Thats comical. Most of the time school board doesn't really know the details. For those that don't know, the night meetings agenda is all typed up complete with pre-typed motions to be read. Not options for or against, admin has already lined it all out how it is going to go. Some things a board member has say in a committee and somethings can be no voted in meeting but overall it is predetermined and scripted. I would not be shocked at all to find that most of the board did not know the building was originally meant to go on the back of the property.

The information in my post came from public sources like KBTX (some things, like how many busses transportation asked for, no I am not naming the employee who talked to me about that. BUT if you want to challenge it I can get a FOIA request for emails pertaining to busses purchased with bond funds and we can see the whole discussion) and the bond steering committee's own documents.

I also happen to still be friends with people who work in the district. You might be shocked, but I get asked quite frequently by people how to try to navigate the system when they cant get something done. I am VERY involved with a group of staff and parents from Mary Branch who have well documented concerns, photos, emails etc that have been sent to admin and board members and ignored. That school is a dump with safety hazards and falling apart.

I am also friends with people who work in City Planning, serve on P&Z and council so I have heard a lot about this over time.

I have no political aspirations or financial incentive in this. There is no innuendo, I am plainly speaking my mind. I think the Board / District needs some accountability and that letter just really pissed me off.

Here is the link to the Sept 2021 article

https://www.kbtx.com/2021/09/22/blinn-college-district-plans-new-administration-building-bryan-selling-land-leonard-road-bryan-isd/

Here is the link where KBTX obtained planning docs from October 2021 with the school placed on the back of the property

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kbtx.com/2022/10/11/bisd-city-council-discuss-transportation-complex-future-tuesday/%3foutputType=amp

GSS
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"...KBTX article from Sept 2021 with a quote from Dr Whitbeck where she discusses putting a school on the front of the property. "We will have about half of that land left over. It can be used for a potential school, even up to middle school size," said Whitbeck."

There is NO reference by Whitbeck, to potentially placing a school on the front of the property.
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WTM
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The transport hub was in the back half on all planning documents until after the feasibility study was released to the city planners in early 2022. These discussions are fall of 2021. See the next article for verification.

They also would never build a new school that looks into the back of an industrial yard with 160 busses parked in it when they could put it up front on a corner.

My point of her quote is to emphasize the property was meant to eventually be dual use and the documents from the time support there was NO plan at the time for the hub in the front. To argue otherwise is just false as the evidence is clear.

It was going to be in the back until they realized it was a flood plane which led to this whole mess and why the mayor spoke about communication and better involvement going forward with combined boards meeting to avoid this very problem.
Hammerheadjim
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I live off of Leonard Rd.
This is going to be a cluster**** no matter how you slice for traffic.

Both BISD and COB have failed in this endeavor and they continue to fail the voters.

The most reasonable compromise is to build the Bus lot on the back 40 with a wide artery feeding into FM 2818 away from the intersection. Leave the frontage for retail. There is more than enough land to accomplish both.

Both sides of this argument need to grow up and work it out. Period.
Walk softly and carry a big stick! Make sure the big stick makes big boom noises and flashy bright lights.
officerfred
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The decision is made. Mistakes were made. But the public contempt expressed by the Bryan city council towards its local school district will live in infamy.
GSS
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Hammerheadjim said:

I live off of Leonard Rd.
This is going to be a cluster**** no matter how you slice for traffic.

Both BISD and COB have failed in this endeavor and they continue to fail the voters.

The most reasonable compromise is to build the Bus lot on the back 40 with a wide artery feeding into FM 2818 away from the intersection. Leave the frontage for retail. There is more than enough land to accomplish both.

Both sides of this argument need to grow up and work it out. Period.
The property has approximately 1440 feet of 2818 frontage, and an exit (southbound) away from the intersection is planned.
What BISD and CoB probably can't count on, is help from TX DoT. They seem to prefer action after a problem is realized, versus having a plan to prevent a problem.

The turn lanes (or lack thereof) at Leonard Rd and Hwy 47 are an example. Even the 2818/Leonard Rd intersection could be quickly improved (add right turn lanes).
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Hammerheadjim
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GSS said:

Hammerheadjim said:

I live off of Leonard Rd.
This is going to be a cluster**** no matter how you slice for traffic.

Both BISD and COB have failed in this endeavor and they continue to fail the voters.

The most reasonable compromise is to build the Bus lot on the back 40 with a wide artery feeding into FM 2818 away from the intersection. Leave the frontage for retail. There is more than enough land to accomplish both.

Both sides of this argument need to grow up and work it out. Period.
The property has approximately 1440 feet of 2818 frontage, and an exit (southbound) away from the intersection is planned.
What BISD and CoB probably can't count on, is help from TX DoT. They seem to prefer action after a problem is realized, versus having a plan to prevent a problem.

The turn lanes (or lack thereof) at Leonard Rd and Hwy 47 are an example. Even the 2818/Leonard Rd intersection could be quickly improved (add right turn lanes).
Agree 100%
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officerfred said:

Ha...that's fair. I thought about pinging a time, but the comments are throughout the entire meeting.
No they're not.
WTM
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Unfortunately too true!
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trouble
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Retail will create more traffic for more of the day than busses will.
philothea
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They need to widen Leonard rd from the intersection to the end of the property. A couple left hand turn lanes isn't going to be sufficient.. plus eventually that road will be widened and then with the additional traffic will make that a big mess. I am sure those saying the traffic won't be a big deal don't live off Leonard rd. The traffic study IMO is flawed. They claimed that part of town is only growing at 3%/year. That was a 5 year average with the last year listed having a 13% growth. That area isn't slowing down anytime soon. The argument of P&Z and council was that growth is exploding on that side.
I listened to most of the meeting and really felt much more animosity towards the council than the council towards BISD. I agree there was a lack of communication when the plans changed. I remember hearing the news in the radio a year or two ago that the plan was to put it out at the BISD property at Villa Maria and 47. Not sure why that location was scrapped except it is near traditions and I am sure there were people who didn't want it there. Just like the water tower at edge water. Curious if that water tower ends up near the transportation facility.
Also if BISD didn't realize the flood plain problem before purchase that was lack of due diligence before buying the property.
In the end in 15-20 years we will see who was right and who was wrong but everyone involved in the decision will be gone/not in their positions so they will not have to deal with consequences it will be the citizens of Bryan/BISD.
angus55
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To the current and former BISD board members on this thread. You both failed. BISD is a joke in many ways when it comes to planning and vision. Since we have moved into this district my family has had nothing but issues year after. And I mean serious issues covered up by leaders in BISD. I don't know how many years in a row a school district can fail my kids and other kids. Not able to adequately back fill for teachers that have long term absences. From elementary through high school we have seen and dealt with this issue. Yet the district office is overflowing with staff but not none can get their ass in a classroom to backfill. Our child had an AP class for basically whole freshman year with no teacher. Freaking waste. We've had to spend serious $$$ just to try and catch our kid up on math because again we went nearly whole years through foundational teaching time with subs. And then there's not handling discipline. Poor leadership on campus level and covering up serious incidents like in locker rooms while kids changing .

AD or whatever her title is a joke. Your hire as a volleyball coach is a joke. Spare me your crap. Only good thing done recently was hiring a good man as Head ball coach.

Both of you bitterly swiping at each other is a joke, yet typical of BISD. As I have told leadership at the district many times, you might as well take that "putting children first" motto of your buses.

Not that COB is much better, but it is a damn site better than CoCS
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angus55 said:

To the current and former BISD board members on this thread. You both failed. BISD is a joke in many ways when it comes to planning and vision. Since we have moved into this district my family has had nothing but issues year after. And I mean serious issues covered up by leaders in BISD. I don't know how many years in a row a school district can fail my kids and other kids. Not able to adequately back fill for teachers that have long term absences. From elementary through high school we have seen and dealt with this issue. Yet the district office is overflowing with staff but not none can get their ass in a classroom to backfill. Our child had an AP class for basically whole freshman year with no teacher. Freaking waste. We've had to spend serious $$$ just to try and catch our kid up on math because again we went nearly whole years through foundational teaching time with subs. And then there's not handling discipline. Poor leadership on campus level and covering up serious incidents like in locker rooms while kids changing .

AD or whatever her title is a joke. Your hire as a volleyball coach is a joke. Spare me your crap. Only good thing done recently was hiring a good man as Head ball coach.

Both of you bitterly swiping at each other is a joke, yet typical of BISD. As I have told leadership at the district many times, you might as well take that "putting children first" motto of your buses.

Not that COB is much better, but it is a damn site better than CoCS
"we went nearly whole years through foundational teaching time with subs. And then there's not handling discipline."

Your last comment gave the reason why the first comment occurred. I am surprised that you can get certified subs.

My wife, a retired 35 year teacher, subbed one week in BISD and asked to have her name taken of the sub list.


WTM
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Angus55, totally off topic but I am proud if my record on the BISD board. I spearheaded multiple initiatives and fought for programs for students. Some took a lot of manuevering to bring to life. Mariachi, I fought both Wallis and the Fine Arts Director. In CTE, i won state awards for my work and came up with the Rudder barbering school. A huge amount of resources and guidance for other cte programs etc.

For discipline, I called out conscious discipline as junk science. It doesn't work on kids with no empathy. In a public meeting where I stated that, people were also appalled when I suggested corporal punishment be brought back (it is NOT illegal in TX). Because again, if kids have no empathy, they dont care. I suggested we use expulsion on a wide scale (can't deny kids an education and lose that tax money). I also was one of the board members who forced the star academy start (pull out troubled JH kids and remove them from the main campus to hopefully mainstream them later). For subs, I advocated frequently we hire X amount of permanent staff with full benefits as floaters to fill gaps daily and was told that would he too expensive.

We had many of the same problems you did. That's why I am so up in arms about a massive expenditure that does nothing to address real problems in the district.

I did my part and stepped up to try to make a difference.
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