My point is why not use the funds to build hwy 6 as a super highway, from Heane to Navasota, using existing rights of way, improve flows, make limited access lanes that go N S for those going from Waco to Houston, more local access lanes for local traffic, then improve existing east west roads, such as Hardy Weedon, Elmo Weedon, 1179, Old Reliance, Tabor etc to get people to the super highway.


No one is going to take a loop around BCS to get N/S, it's a longer mileage route. Just like you don't typically take 610 around Houston if you're going from Huntsville to Galveston or Austin to Beaumont.

You can develop E/W roads more like University Drive, or Holleman/ IGN to better improve those flows.


I'm not in favor of saving 5-10 minutes to get to Towerpoint at the expense of tax dollars and loss of homes, generational lands, livelihoods and disturbing the rural life. I understand change and growth is inevitable, but there are much smarter, less impactful ways of doing this.

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Super 6 is great but you have to get to 6. If you are going to rely on 6 as the super NS corridor, then you need to expand Tabor, 21, 1179, 158, 60, and 30. And then you still haven't solved the problem for people going east/west (or any direction other than N/S).

Alternatively you build a loop, and the people coming from Kurten can divert down the loop and get to 30, or even tower point without adding to the traffic in town and on 6.

Since the loop would connect with 2818 to the north, you might even have people coming in on 21 from the west that divert around the loop to 21 on the east and avoid the traffic through town.

As for the loop being miles longer, it may still be faster to take the loop if there is enough traffic and traffic lights through town. Lots of cars paying to drive on 130 around Austin instead of taking I35 through Austin, if though it is longer.

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Pretty sure I said the same thing in my first paragraph that you stated in your first paragraph.


The loop doesn't address any E/W traffic either. But expanding and bettering the existing corridors mentioned in both first paragraphs does address E/W traffic.

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Someone coming into BCS on 21 from the west, can take the loop around to get to 21 east or 1179 east or 30 east without having to go through town. The problem with the idea of significant expansion of the east/west corridors is the through town part. Take 60 for example. Easy to add/expand east of 6 to get all the east-side to 6. Nearly impossible (and getting harder by the day) to expand University adjacent to campus. Same for 1179, you will run into ROW issues that make it prohibitively expensive for sufficient expansion and you will still have all the traffic lights.

And 6, you have to use the existing ROW, so to add significantly more lanes, you have to go up/down. I know you said add lanes for through traffic, so like the I35 upper deck in downtown Austin. You need a lot of ROW to merge/split those lanes effectively (something they didn't do effectively in Austin), which is solvable by putting the merge/splits halfway to Navasota and halfway to Hearn. But then with no on/off ramp, an accident on the through lanes becomes a disaster. Also, you have shifted the "take generational land" from east BCS to north and south of BCS.

I get it, the loop doesn't directly help anyone between 2818 and 6, except by virtue of shift some longer distance traffic around BCS altogether. But traffic problems in town aren't really solvable by just adding more lanes because of ROW constraints.

And yes the burden (loss of land) of the loop is primarily on the east side semi-rural community. But they also benefit the most by reducing the inevitable congestion from the inevitable subdivisions that are being built and planned for that side of town.

There is a reason many cities have loops and often multiple loops.

toolshed said:

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My point is why not use the funds to build hwy 6 as a super highway, from Heane to Navasota, using existing rights of way, improve flows, make limited access lanes that go N S for those going from Waco to Houston, more local access lanes for local traffic, then improve existing east west roads, such as Hardy Weedon, Elmo Weedon, 1179, Old Reliance, Tabor etc to get people to the super highway.


No one is going to take a loop around BCS to get N/S, it's a longer mileage route. Just like you don't typically take 610 around Houston if you're going from Huntsville to Galveston or Austin to Beaumont.

You can develop E/W roads more like University Drive, or Holleman/ IGN to better improve those flows.


I'm not in favor of saving 5-10 minutes to get to Towerpoint at the expense of tax dollars and loss of homes, generational lands, livelihoods and disturbing the rural life. I understand change and growth is inevitable, but there are much smarter, less impactful ways of doing this.

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We actually take Beltway 8 from B/CS to Galveston 9/10 times because its a gamble to go down town or try to get on 610. We used to....but relative for the area, the traffic eventually increases.

I do think we definitely need an E/W thoroughfare right now instead of a loop. But if we don't plan for a loop now, we will run into Austin in the early 90's issues and they've never caught up with.

I'm just as NIMBY as the next person and I wouldn't want my property affected....but I'm not sure how successful trying to stop progress will work.