fixer said:
anyone know what they are issued?
My guess is its something with a striker-fired action...
Love Gun said:
This was a negligent discharge, as in the officer was not handling that weapon correctly.
Well, I mean, you're absolutely correct. When you stay aware of muzzle & trigger finger discipline, you have an infinitesimally small chance of a negligent discharge.CS78 said:fixer said:
anyone know what they are issued?
My guess is its something with a striker-fired action...
Glock strikes again. Cue the "my finger is my safety and these guys were obviously idiots" crowd.
There is no such thing as an "AD" (accidental discharge). There are only intended discharges and negligent ones.MisterShipWreck said:
Unfortunately, departments that NEVER had AD's have them fairly often (especially in very large departments) since the push to striker fired handguns. They are much less forgiving that DA/SA guns.
And yes - you can say "the real safety is in your brain" all day long. But the truth is that we all make mistakes all day long. That is what people do. With a gun, the results are much more serious. And, having a lighter trigger increases the risk even more.
This is some good reading right here.MisterShipWreck said:
Unfortunately, departments that NEVER had AD's have them fairly often (especially in very large departments) since the push to striker fired handguns. They are much less forgiving that DA/SA guns.
And yes - you can say "the real safety is in your brain" all day long. But the truth is that we all make mistakes all day long. That is what people do. With a gun, the results are much more serious. And, having a lighter trigger increases the risk even more.
techno-ag said:
T&P.
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous. Hoping for the best for these officers.
And in this case, as with many other incidents, the "internal safeties" failed to prevent the discharge.Love Gun said:techno-ag said:
T&P.
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous. Hoping for the best for these officers.
Glocks have 3 internal safeties. This does not include keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
It doesn't have an external safety, but a lot of guns don't have them. External safety or not, ALL guns can be dangerous and must be handled safely. To each his own, but I would much rather not have to fumble with disengaging an external safety when my life depends on it.
I would swear that I heard on KBTX yesterday that it was a pistolcavscout96 said:
My initial thought, since there were multiple injuries, was
"Was this a through and through, single discharge or an automatic weapon, multiple discharge"
If an auto/multiple was it "at" or "in" the police station? The article says at. If it was "in/inside" I would think the autos would be unloaded and cleared before entry as a matter of course.
If outside, maybe they were prepping for or returning from training or an incident.
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bigger question: If auto, why? not sure I can fathom a situation where LE needs full auto capability. Even Military units rarely employ personal rifles on anything other than semi.
techno-ag said:And in this case, as with many other incidents, the "internal safeties" failed to prevent the discharge.Love Gun said:techno-ag said:
T&P.
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous. Hoping for the best for these officers.
Glocks have 3 internal safeties. This does not include keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
It doesn't have an external safety, but a lot of guns don't have them. External safety or not, ALL guns can be dangerous and must be handled safely. To each his own, but I would much rather not have to fumble with disengaging an external safety when my life depends on it.
The "T&P" is nice, but otherwise the ignorance is thick, regarding Glock's (and a few million other similar handguns without a (manual) safety).techno-ag said:And in this case, as with many other incidents, the "internal safeties" failed to prevent the discharge.Love Gun said:techno-ag said:
T&P.
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous. Hoping for the best for these officers.
Glocks have 3 internal safeties. This does not include keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
It doesn't have an external safety, but a lot of guns don't have them. External safety or not, ALL guns can be dangerous and must be handled safely. To each his own, but I would much rather not have to fumble with disengaging an external safety when my life depends on it.
techno-ag said:
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous.
Exactly. Blue star. The "safeties" don't work if you pull the trigger.Love Gun said:techno-ag said:And in this case, as with many other incidents, the "internal safeties" failed to prevent the discharge.Love Gun said:techno-ag said:
T&P.
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous. Hoping for the best for these officers.
Glocks have 3 internal safeties. This does not include keeping your finger off the trigger until you're ready to fire.
It doesn't have an external safety, but a lot of guns don't have them. External safety or not, ALL guns can be dangerous and must be handled safely. To each his own, but I would much rather not have to fumble with disengaging an external safety when my life depends on it.
The internal safeties of the Glock disengage whenever the trigger is depressed. In other words, the officer failed to keep his booger hook off of the bang switch.
Glocks don't have safeties. As defined by something you can switch from "fire" to "safe" and prevent the trigger from being pulled. There are other "safeties" but that's not the type we're talking about.saltydog13 said:techno-ag said:
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous.
techno-ag said:Glocks don't have safeties. As defined by something you can switch from "fire" to "safe" and prevent the trigger from being pulled. There are other "safeties" but that's not the type we're talking about.saltydog13 said:techno-ag said:
Without a safety, Glocks can be dangerous.
Many many times a LEO has drawn and fired the gun often while still in the holster because Glocks don't have safeties like this. Sounds like that might have occurred in this instance, too.
If there has ever been a legit "user name checks out" moment its now.Love Gun said:
BPD carries the Glock 21 that fires a 45 ACP round. And, no, Glock's don't accidentally discharge. They are safer than most striker fired handguns out there. I've trusted my life to them for years and carry one in my waistband every day - including right now.
This was a negligent discharge, as in the officer was not handling that weapon correctly.
