The problem with Anderson's reasoning is that this numbnuts was sure of his report.....or outright lied. I guarantee that had the video not been available, it would have gone 100% against the bartender
TexasAggie_02 said:
I hope that they have to go back and review every sting that agent has worked on
Brian Alg said:
I contacted County Attorney Anderson on Monday and District Attorney Parsons on Friday to let them know that I think this is a big problem.
County Attorney Anderson's statements to the Eagle and the Chronicle indicate that he does not think this is a big deal. Parsons told me that his office does not comment on cases that they are looking at or investigating. Parsons may well believe that if a TABC agent breaks the law they are entrusted to enforce and then testifies falsely under oath that someone else committed the crime, they should face severe consequences. But given County Attorney Anderson does not seem to appreciate the gravity of this, I do not want to take that for granted.
County Attorney and District Attorney are both elected positions. I am considering putting together an informal petition to let them know that some people think this is a big deal. If anyone thinks it could be worded better, or that there is a better way to go forward with this, I would be super appreciative of any feedback. I asked CA Anderson if there was a better way to change his mind about the gravity of Jergins' actions and I have not heard back from him.
I was thinking something like the following:
County Attorney Rod Anderson and District Attorney Parsons,
The undersigned believe:
1. TABC agents that violate the laws they are entrusted to enforce should not be shown greater leniency than other citizens.
2. If TABC agents are not expected to tell the truth in their reports and on the stand, their reports and testimony should not be used as evidence.
3. If TABC agents are expected to tell the truth in their reports and on the stand, they should face serious consequences when they are not truthful.
cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws. Then why isn't the DA going after the "officer" for perjury?
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway. It's not just "one idiot", but the state has to be held to a standard. Manufacturing crimes or even the illusion of entrapment should be negated from the start. Especially a state agency known for poor decisions and actions.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them? I have a friend who used to work for them. He got out as quickly as he could. His words were they are a corrupt group of bullies with no regard for the law.
TABC is an archaic and needless drain on Texas resources that serves no other purpose than to service itself.
The fact the Brazos DA hasn't brought that "officer" up on perjury charges also shows the lack of respect the rest of the court officers have for the regular public.
May they all burn in hell.
cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws.
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them?
SPECS sued and won against them for their corrupt enforcement.expresswrittenconsent said:cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws.
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them?
It's not just 1 agent. There's a long pattern of corruption going back years.
Scruffy said:cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws. Then why isn't the DA going after the "officer" for perjury?
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway. It's not just "one idiot", but the state has to be held to a standard. Manufacturing crimes or even the illusion of entrapment should be negated from the start. Especially a state agency known for poor decisions and actions.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them? I have a friend who used to work for them. He got out as quickly as he could. His words were they are a corrupt group of bullies with no regard for the law.
TABC is an archaic and needless drain on Texas resources that serves no other purpose than to service itself.
The fact the Brazos DA hasn't brought that "officer" up on perjury charges also shows the lack of respect the rest of the court officers have for the regular public.
May they all burn in hell.
91_Aggie said:
In the end, this TABC officer who lied in court about what happened, needs to lose his job. That should be an easy open-and-shut policy for any LEO. You shouldn't get a second chance for that type of action.
Sort of. My understanding is those laws only apply if it is done knowingly. I think a jury, or judge if it is a bench trial, would need to determine if that is what happened here. But I am not a lawyer and there are all kinds of reasons to think I could be incorrect on the details.Quote:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right?
I want better government. Other people want Agent Jergins to lose his job and be incarcerated. I am kind of ambivalent on that. I think I would be satisfied if he apologized and worked to make sure that this never happens again. Many people (maybe Frick, but I don't know) are not as willing to forgive him.Quote:
Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws.
There is already a lot of preparation that goes into these stings. I don't think requiring video recording would make the stings less effective or that it would be a huge additional burden. Whether this was a mistake, an intentional frame-up, or some combination of the two (the agent falsified the report and forgot it was falsified when he testified), safeguards would have been useful here. Other news articles have shown that TABC agents have similarly misreported/mistestified in other cases. It is important that we get these things right. The accused are facing large fines and jail times. I do not think it is too much to ask that the powers that be make sure that they are getting their facts straight.Quote:
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway.
I am trying not to be angry about the agent or his behavior. I want to prevent this from happening again. Comments from the TABC have indicated that Agent Jergins is an exemplary TABC agent. The folks in the know have indicated that he is not especially incompetent or evil and I have no reason to doubt them. There are also reports of similar misreporting/mistestifying in other cases.Quote:
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him?
The only interactions I have had with them are when I have unsuccessfully tried to get in touch with the TABC office in Bryan and Austin repeatedly regarding this case and the minor sting protocols and my interactions with the open records office regarding the minor sting protocols and reports. Other than that, everything I know about them is second-hand (talking with people, anonymous anecdotes from the internet, news articles).Quote:
Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them?
It proves all 3 lied from the start.cslifer said:
Ok...does that prove something?
Looks pretty bad for the agent. Now instead of just a moment of "oops I got it wrong" on the stand, we have a written statement in direct contradiction to the video evidence.cslifer said:
Ok...does that prove something?
Scruffy said:SPECS sued and won against them for their corrupt enforcement.expresswrittenconsent said:cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws.
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them?
It's not just 1 agent. There's a long pattern of corruption going back years.
They are the mafia.
While I don't disagree, the issue at hand is with two specific TABC agents entering our community under the guise of public service and attempting to frame a local with a crime. And further our DA and CA seeing this as a non-issue.Build It said:Scruffy said:SPECS sued and won against them for their corrupt enforcement.expresswrittenconsent said:cslifer said:
You do know we have laws in place for people that testify untruthfullly or falsely report a crime, right? Not sure what you gain by petitioning the DA about existing laws.
Second, there is no way the prosecution is going to make stricter rules for cases from a state wide agency based on the bad behavior of one idiot. That particular agent, sure, I am sure he is on the Brady list now anyway.
I understand your rightful anger about the behavior of the agent, but if you don't mind my asking what happened that made you think the entire agency is staffed by people such as him? Have you had some sort of negative interactions with them?
It's not just 1 agent. There's a long pattern of corruption going back years.
They are the mafia.
Specs was completely screwed by these corrupt asshats. Total wine paid them off to keep Specs from expanding while they built like crazy all over HOUSTON. They cost Specs a large piece of market share.
TABC has been the most corrupt State agency for as long as they have existed. They make the Starr County Sheriff and Judge look like Boy Scouts. Follow the dang money.