Is an annual "Septic Service Contract" (about $250/yr) required in Brazos County?

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samanthaiam
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Eko, when you spoke with Mr. Roggenbuck, did he confirm that indeed individuals are required to pay yearly for this type of contract?

I called our company, Hi-Tech Septic and Construction, since they did the work on our aerobic system when we built the house 6 months ago. Indeed, I was told our contract would be up in 2 years from the 8/11 installation. Price could be $250 at that tim; could be higher. I'll be getting a bill July, 2013. Oh, what joy!
mhnatt
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@ekonoag "you don't work for them, do you?"

Nope. I think you mean Hi-Tech Septic. But no, I don't work for them either, nor any septic related company for that matter

So did Mr. Roggenbuck pass any information that would lead us to believe that we homeowners can indeed get "certified" to do our own inspections?
ekonoag
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Sam: yes, if youb live in Brazods County and have an aerobic system (at least on less than 10 acres as I do), then you must have a contract except for if you are licensed and self-monitor.

Mnhatt: that was what my inquiry regarded and, yes, you can become certified. I received via email the requirements, just ask the contact for them. Basically, you pay around $275 (can't recall exact amt) for an 8-hour course (1 day) taught by TEEX. Next class is early April in San Antonio. The document from the county refers you to the TEEX website and gives you the course number. Note, if you miss filing at least three letters/reports, then the county will require you to contract with a "professional."
coscAG98
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Howdy All! I am a septic contractor. Wanted to get that out of the way for everybody. I hope some of this information helps clear up any questions.
Maintenance contracts are required for all spray irrigation systems and septic systems with secondary treatment. Aerobic systems are mechanical treatment sewage systems that produce secondary treated effluent. Since they are mechanical, they can breakdown. That is why they have to be checked on periodically to make sure all the electrical and mechanical components are working properly. Surface Irrigation (sprinklers) is a type of dispersal method which increases public health risks compared to field lines, gravel trenches,and ET Beds (conventional treatment and dispersal methods) .It is the increased risk to public health that the State and County is concerned about protecting. This is why they have chosen to require maintenance contracts. Septic tanks and subsurface dispersal methods don't require maintenance contracts typically because they are subsurface and are of less risk of contact with the public. Aerobic systems tend to be cheaper upfront (not in the long run) and are more appealing to builders/owners because it keeps them competitive with other builders. Maintenance contracts can vary in price from a few hundred dollars to five or six hundred. The lower price contracts are typically just inspection and reporting contracts. The higher contracts are testing, reporting, and preventative maintenance contracts. Some systems have phone interfaces which call out if there are problems thus reducing the number of visits required (less visits- less money). So there really is a lot consider.
ekonoag
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cosc: thanks for the info and explanation. Two questions, if you don't mind:

1. What are the CE requirements for Septic maintenance professionals, such as yourself? (e.g. 8 hours of CE credits per year, etc.)

2. Can you provide your company information/contact information? I may be in the market for a new service provider and wouldn't mind seeing what different providers offer and at what cost. I think you are fine posting your info even though you aren't a paid advertiser, since I am requesting it... at least I have seen others do so in the past.

Thanks!
coscAG98
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PART 2 Sorry, was up late last night watching the storm. Like I mentioned before maintenance contracts are required by the state. The State level rules aka TAC 285 OSSF rules allow homeowners to do their own maintenance and file their own reports. However, it also allows the Authorized Agent for the implementation of the OSSF program for the State to be stricter in their local order which is filed with the State @ TCEQ. Brazos County Commissioners approved the Brazos County Health Dept. local order for the local OSSF program. The Brazos County order does not allow homeowners(they chose to be stricter) to do their own septic inspections and maintenance unless they go to training (a 2 day class) to learn about aerobic systems. So there is no conspiracy of government just concern for its citizens. Brazos County left a way for homeowners to do their own inspections, they just want homeowners to do it responsibly by getting educated/trained. If anyone is interested I can post the class ($325) info and the next offering for it. Half of the people in this class currently are homeowners from Hays and Travis counties. I also want people to know that if you go this route you can't do it for money for others unless you get some other required OSSF licenses. You will also be required to file your own reports with the county health dept(just like your current service provider). If you don't turn in your reports timely or at all you will get notified by the Health Dept. and then the JP summons will come in the mail. Afterwards you will lose the right to be able to do the service for your own septic system permanently and you will have to hire a licensed person once again.
coscAG98
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The OSSF maintenance technician currently has no ceu requirement. It is an entry level license and has to be supervised and signed off on by a higher level license an Advanced maintenance provider or an Installer II. The AMP license is relatively new. I will look into it and post the specifics later. Originally, the first maintenance license was a basic maintenance provider. This license was changed based on your other licenses. If you were an Installer II you were grandfathered into the AMP license. If you were a bmp and weren't an Installer II your license was converted to the maintenance technician license.
EVA3
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A word of caution:

If you have a contract and the contractor is supposed to file the papers, and they don't, YOU are on the hook as far as the county is concerned. You are the one who will receive a citation and, if you don't take care of it, a warrant.
samanthaiam
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Our company tells me they'll come out before the 2 year's are up, check to be sure we have bleach in it, write up the paperwork, and there goes my $250. Is that it??!
sierra07
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Sam - Unfortunately, some maintenance providers do that. That is why some have differing prices for maintenance contracts. If you contact the Health Department they can give you a whole list of providers in the area, so you can explore your options. Like everyone has mentioned, make sure whoever you choose, they will submit the contract if not, you need to make sure the Health Department gets it or you will be fined for it.
techno-ag
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Blue star for good info from cosc.
birdnerd
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We've used Bates Septic for a long time. $250/year. They come out as scheduled and leave a record of the chlorine measurements. Never had a problem with anything not being filed.
coscAG98
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ekonoag - I promised myself when i signed up i wouldn't post my company name or my name. However, I will say my name, company, and phone number were put on this site from one of my customers, not sure who from their username.

I posted here just to help clear up any confusion other posters have about OSSF's. My prices vary from $250 (systems with auto-dialers) to $425 a year for Brazos County Residential systems. Not all systems are created equal. Some systems require more steps to maintain them than others. If your provider doesn't write any comments in the comment section on the report and all you see are check marks they are probably just a low end Testing (inspection) and reporting contract -the minimum to fulfill the state's requirement. When we do our visits we usually fill up the comment section. I will go on to say that if don't like your current service provider change to another. Life is too short. This is what is so great about free enterprise. The '07 legislature ended the manufacturer certification requirement that was forcing homeowners to stick with the only guy in town who was certified on their particular system. So if you are unhappy with your service provider change. If you feel you have been ripped off by your service provider then go to the Sherrif's office and file a complaint. They have an environmental officer that can investigate your claim. I would suggest you call your service provider first and ask for a refund or for them to make it right. I have hundreds of systems under contract and it is tough to not have one every now and then slip through the crack. For example, One wrong strike of the key on the computer can setup the next inspection for your septic for the next year (ie. 3/30/2012 instead is 3/30/2013.) I do audits against the county records when I can to catch this. However, I have had one or two slip. So I urge you to call your provider and give them the benefit of doubt. If not and you think he/she is a thief you should probably change who your using anyway. Back to filing a complaint with the Sheriff. The 285 rulebook states that if the report is not filed with the authorized agent (Brazos Co. here) and there is no tag or the tag has not been indelibly marked with a date than the inspection visit is considered never done in the eyes of the state. The provider could be filling the reports out at the office if the tag is never marked. This is theft. You paid for services(stated in your agreement/contract) you didn't receive. When you paid them they became obligated to do what the contract stated. Some contracts don't say much so it is hard to figure out what your getting for your money.
Max06
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Paragraphs please!!
coscAG98
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I will also clear up the belief that aerobic systems are required or are the only thing allowed to be installed. There are only a few jurisdictions in the State of Texas that allow aerobic systems only. It is more likely that you have a subdivision that has deed restrictions that require aerobics to installed as the OSSF. I believe Indian Lakes is one of these. The main reason aerobic systems are installed is because they are cheaper up front and typically easier/faster to install. Conventional systems (aka absorption and evapo-transpirative systems) are more expensive upfront and typically cheaper in the long run to maintain. However, there are sites that conventional systems are not the appropriate choice to install because of one or more of the following:poor drainage, poor soils, poor planning, small lots, etc.).

The ten acre rule was instituted for people owning a larger tract of land. It has several conditions that have to be met in order to be used. Basically, it allows you to not have to do planning materials(site/soil evaluation and design, pull a permit,or have it inspected if you follow all the rules and setbacks in TAC 285. There are some additional rules that apply to OSSF's for the ten acre rule. They are: that no part of the system can be within a 100ft of any property line, that it be only for one single family dwelling on that tract of land, the effluent disposed of on that property, and that the OSSF not pollute groundwater or cause a nuisance. Some Jurisdictions do not allow the ten acre rule in their local order in which case they can be stricter than the State. Brazos County does not allow the ten acre rule.
samanthaiam
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cosc, thanks for all the great info! Yes, post information about the $325 class. I bet my neighbors here in Williams Creek will get a kick outta that! I doubt seriously it's something I can undertake, but I'd still like to read about it. Many thanks again!
techno-ag
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What do you mean Brazos County doesn't allow the 10 acre rule? All new rural construction must have an aerobic system regardless if acreage?
ekonoag
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techno: I think it means that if you have aerobic, then you need a maint contract regardless as to what size property you are on. There are no laws requiring aerobic systems (but apparently some HOAs may require them).
techno-ag
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Gotcha. So much red tape, gosh.
coscAG98
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May course location for the BMP/ maintenance technician has not been announced yet. It says"TBA". I will keep checking.
coscAG98
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If anyone else has any technical questions about septic systems or their rules just ask/post them. I will check back periodically to try to answer or get you to the place or people that can answer.
samanthaiam
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cosc, really nice of ya. Many thanks for being so helpful.

I'm in a rush, so pardon the run-on-sentences. Thing is, or at least what I don't fully understand, is that my company tells me that they will come out close to renewal, check to be sure I have bleach in my system (and they even reminded me to be sure have it filled before they come), and then they file something with the county....and take my check for $250 every year (and the price could even be higher by the time I'm up for renewal). Well, that's an easy $250 I would say. WTH else are they doing for $250??

I'd like to rant right now, but I'll just wait for my questions to be answered. I could be wrong, but that's BS for $250.

bqaggie86
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I'm going to guess they will be checking all the mechanical components (pumps, float switches, timers, sprinkler heads, valves) are functioning properly. They will also be making sure the spray field is adequate for your current flows and not exceeding it's capacity. Not sure what else but since the training class is two days, it sounds pretty extensive.
coscAG98
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samanthaiam What does their contract say they will do - every contract is different. There is a whole lot more to these systems then just checking the bleach.

Things that should get checked (this is from the states example report:
1.)Aerator - flow rate(cfm) and back pressure (psi) this requires a special gauge set. It can tell you two things whether the compressor and the air diffussers are within specification tolerances.
2.) Filter - some aerators have filters that need to be changed or cleaned.
3.)Irrigation pump - mainly a visual inspection of the sprinkler performance and checking the screen or intake of the pump for debris- clogging.
4.)Recirculation Pump - most aerobics don't have these but if they do you would check the proper drawdown (liquid level drop vs. time) and the screen or intake.
5.)Sludge Condition of the tanks or compartments (can be three to four) trash-aeration-clarifier-pump, this is checked with a clear pipe with a check valve(gives you a profile view of the clear zone and sludge.)Scum is usually checked by parting it with a shovel and measuring or guestimating. Trash tanks are typically buried but once a year is good if all the rest are being checked. Typically, if all the other tanks are being checked at every visit the trash tank pumping time can be estimated. A sharp rise in sludge levels in the aeration/clarifier compartment usually indicates the trash tank needs to be pumped.
6.)Disinfection Device- typically, a visual inspection. Some a are more complex and have routine cleaning required.
7.)Chlorine - Visual inspection for tablets or liquid (%full if liquid).
8.)Electrical circuits- check alarm,buzzers, low pressure circuits, effluent filter alarms, and etc.)
9.)Distribution system- Check the sprinklers(throw and location), drip irrigation(if not sprinklers), leaky risers, leaky pipes, and ponding or surfacing of effluent (uniform distribution).
10.)Vegetation- required to help prevent erosion and help transpiration. Must be maintained- tall grass, weeds, new trees, new bushes can block sprinklers and cause ponding.
10.) chlorine residual
11.) other maintenance or service activities required by your particular systems manufacturer.

The above is a rather long list. It can't be done in 10 minutes. It can't be done without tools. It is also supposed to be done three times a year in most cases.
coscAG98
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The county started making surprise visits and checkup visits after negative inspection reports come in to the county. If chlorine is not found they will write a ticket. Not sure if they are checking visually or physically through residual. They should be checking residual. The State rules TAC 285 requires a .1mg/l or .1ppm residual minimum. So your provider is just giving you a heads up so he doesn't have to turn in a negative report and the county won't come a knocking. The chlorine is for disinfection of the pathogenic organisms in the wastewater. The same buggers that help digest the waste/organic material can also cause diseases/sickness. So it is mainly for you, your family, and your neighbors health and safety. I can tell you most states don't allow surface irrigation(sprinklers) as a means of dispersal. In fact at National conferences it is often the subject of many laughs and gags. Yuck they would all say. Keep it in the ground. Only in Texas!!!!
coscAG98
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Next BMP class is in New Braunfels on May 11th and 12th. Go to www.txowa.org to register.
csnole
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coscAG98 - is it possible to switch out sprinklers to the in the ground system? And ballpark what would the cost be?
coscAG98
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It really depends on several factors: 1.)house size and/or # of people 2.)quality of proposed drip irrigation area. Drip irrigation systems(subsurface) are typically plowed into place- sometimes trenched or a combination of the two. Unless you have extra open areas that aren't irrigated already it is almost impossible to install drip irrigation without it costing a fortune. The drip tubing is installed approximately 12" deep. So the plow will rip out any existing irrigation lines and damage the turf when the pipes are pulled up. Otherwise, open turf areas are prime places to install drip irrigation. Lots of trees increase the price. The plowing and trenching is really hard on the trees especially if not done in the Fall. 3 Bedroom house needs 5-7K sqft. 4 Bedroom house needs 6-8k sqft.
coscAG98
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csnole- answer to question is sometimes.
fishorgolf
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Technical question for anyone willing to impart their knowledge...

So we have an 8 yr old clearstream system and I'm just wondering what NEEDS to be done. We are shopping around for a new maintenance company and have gotten alot of different responses on what is done during the inspection. Some of the companies say they CHANGE the filter and diffuser and some say they CHECK the diffuser and filter. One said they "pull the pump". Another said my air pump will need replacing soon. Can you tell me, during an average year, what should be checked, changed and replaced on a clear stream system.

Thanks
Joe Schillaci 48
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Are people required to have aerobic septic systems out in the country?


An aerobic septic system is not required but Brazos County Health Department will make your life miserable if you attempt to install a conventional system.ie the hoops they make you jump through if you try. They are your basic government worker.

I gave up and had an aerobic system installed.

In the long run, the aerobic system is better and I am glad I went with it.

Long story short....the conventional system does not require a service contract, the aerobic system does.



techno-ag
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BCO, what kind of hoops do they require on a conventional system? Seems like that would be preferred ... fewer chemicals, etc. I know little to nothing about it, just curious re your comments.
waterworks
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Techno - I'm not the authority on this, but my understanding is that to have a conventional septic system, you have to prove adequate percolation rate, so the effluent will soak in and not end up as surface runoff. Hard to do, except in sandy soil, like down by the river. There could well be more to it.
UmustBKidding
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There are non aerobic systems that work fine in areas that have less than ideal soil percolation. These include low pressure dosing and infiltrator. When we built my low pressure dosing system in Brazos county no one in the health department had ever seen one. Infiltrator system work well but can fail if there is vehicular traffic over the drain field (tractors, dump truck will do them in quickly). I think the county likes Aerobics since they require no engineering. Small lot not a problem, clay soils, who cares. Unfortunately I have seen a bunch of Aerobic treatment systems installed where the spray field is not cleared or missing the required ground cover. This along with insufficient monitoring leads to some very unhealthy dispersion areas.
techno-ag
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Unfortunately I have seen a bunch of Aerobic treatment systems installed where the spray field is not cleared or missing the required ground cover. This along with insufficient monitoring leads to some very unhealthy dispersion areas.


Perhaps the county should reassess their preferences? I dunno, just seems reasonable.

Thanks WW & UMBK for your comments.
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