The poles went flying though, so she was driving even faster than the poles would have stooped the truck at. I mean from the sounds of it, she was peeling out.

Oh yeah- maybe like in the Final Destination 3 scene, the truck was being driven on devil's power.

Seriously, noone I think has read my ENTIRE post. yes she is a murderer no matter what because she killed someone. But I did suggest different causes for the actions leading up ro the murder. She might have had a seizure, she may have been drunk. She also could have passed out from being drunk after she had backed up out of the parking space and stepped on the gas. Since the truck did come to a stop, i doubt the last thing happened, but it is a possibility. And yes, a truck malfunction could have also happened but again she did finally get the truck to stop so that is also a stretch.

My guess is she was drunk and disoriented. She probably thought she was stepping on the brake but was too impaired to realize she was stepping on the gas. When she jumped the curb, she was possibly thrown.



[This message has been edited by 1984Consol (edited 3/1/2009 1:58p).]

If a pilot is flying a plane and the plane malfunctions and crashes, or if he has a seizure and it crashes, and everyone dies, is he a murderer?

If the answer is "no", how is that any different than a car's breaks going out or the driver having a medical problem?

Like many have said, odds are alcohol was involved, but I think to say "if you kill someone, no matter what, you are a murderer" is completely inaccurate.

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yes she is a murderer no matter what because she killed someone.

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please stop for your own sake. you sound like an absolute fool.

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Seriously, noone I think has read my ENTIRE post. yes she is a murderer no matter what because she killed someone.

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I read your entire post...several times.

That statement is ignorant.

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she is a murderer no matter what because she killed someone

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I think what has most of us unhappy with your statement is that you are saying no matter what... if someone dies by your hand it is murder. by that same logic, if I shoot someone pointing a gun at my head in my house while trying to rob me, then I am a murderer too.
is there no other case but murder? what about if you don't know someone is allergic to peanuts and shake their hand after eating? is that murder too?

Murder as defined in common law countries, is the unlawful killing of another human being with intent (or malice aforethought), and generally this state of mind distinguishes murder from other forms of unlawful homicide.

Seriously 1984Consol...enough!

Ok fine.

Murder is murder.

It doesn't matter if it is labbled eventually as involuntary manslaughter or voluntary manslaughter, it is still murder. That's how I see it.

The pilot of the plane murdered whoever was on the plane, even if it is ruled an accident.

To me calling a murder an accident is like saying the victim is not really dead.

I do not mean to change the topic here, but the same thing goes with the Peanut Association of America. they are murderers, no matter what any judge may rule. Dead is dead- there is no voluntary death involved in anything.

Sorry I just am too passionate about some things.


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n/m

stupid people aren't worth the trouble.....





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I guess the NY pilot was almost a "murderer" but is instead of hero. Great logic.



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Oh thanks yellowpot-thanks a hellufalot

I am just being honest- I am sorry I have such strong opinions. But you do not have to call anyone names.

what are you even talking about????

a plane crashes because a mechanical problem and you think the pilot is guilty of murder??!?!?!

wth is wrong with you????

1984consol has to be a troll. There is no way that natural selection would have allowed somebody this incredibly stupid to live.

Quit feeding it.

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Ok fine.

Murder is murder.

It doesn't matter if it is labbled eventually as involuntary manslaughter or voluntary manslaughter, it is still murder. That's how I see it.

The pilot of the plane murdered whoever was on the plane, even if it is ruled an accident.

To me calling a murder an accident is like saying the victim is not really dead.

I do not mean to change the topic here, but the same thing goes with the Peanut Association of America. they are murderers, no matter what any judge may rule. Dead is dead- there is no voluntary death involved in anything.

Sorry I just am too passionate about some things.

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This is the single dumbest thing I have EVER heard.

Seriously.

YES!

It could have been avoided.

I guess the topic is temporarily changed- sorry for the hijacking but I won't let it happen long.

You wanna use the "hudson river miracle" as an example:


the geese hit both engines, disabling the aircraft. Since he was experienced enough, he was able to land it safely. Therfore, he is a hero. What iof he had crashed due to inexperience? Yes he would have been a murderer. I do not care about intent. the law does because that way people can get a slap on the wrist because they killed innocent people.
To me finding someone guilty of involuntary manslaughter because he could not control the plane is like saying "so several people died. It is ok because it was an accident." That does not bring the victims back.

Same with the 911 plane in Pennsylvannia. yes those people were heroes, but they wer also murderes because their might have been a possiblity they could have landed the plane safley (I know it is a stretch of the imaginination but they could have killed the terrorists and landed the plane.) Instead the plane wnt out of control and everyone died. They are murderers because everyone on the plane was killed. BUT in my eyes, they are heroes as well because they saved anyone ELSE from being killed. Give me all the flack you want to because of this example but that is how I truly truly feel. And if had to balance the two on a scale, I would say they are definely heroes more than they are murderers.

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Andymac-

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Try to post with some thought, and not just pure emotion. (Consol)

You are correct and I am sorry. I should think before I post anything. You have a very valid point.

good god make it stop. STAFF please delete these idiotic trolls.

HOLY CRAP!!! THIS GUY IS THE ABSOLUTE STUPIDEST HUMAN BEING IN THE HISTORY OF EVER!!!

How could a rationally-minded person actually think these things?????

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I am just being honest- I am sorry I have such strong opinions. But you do not have to call anyone names.

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No, you are being stupid.

There is such a thing as an accident. If there wasn't then the word wouldn't exist.

Murder naturally implies intent. If I lost control of my vehicle and hit a tree killing my brother, there is obviously no intent therefore how am I committing murder? Are you seriously saying I just murdered my brother?

I sincerely hope that you are not an A&M graduate because I cannot possibly fathom someone that stupid having a degree from the same school as me.

Consol isn't a troll, but he is opinionated, and in this case uninformed.

Consol--aside from legal jargon, the definitions of both murder and manslaughter are available in dictionaries, and you will see that each has been defined centuries ago....I understand your passion, but if the death of this person was beyond the control of the driver (mechanical failure, medical, etc)it is NOT murder, but perhaps manslaughter...and then beyond that, the person could be found not guilty of manslaughter ...
Go read a dictionary--it may help you understand why you are being accused of not knowing what you are talking about

I am stopping now- the more important thing right now is what the families of all involved are feeling right now. Everyone stop calling me names (and I am not a troll) and concentrate on the families PLEASE! If you must continue to bash me please start another thread.



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you would be wise to say you are trolling. at least then you wouldn't come off as a complete moron.

Yikes ! You might get that thread Consol---don't invite it

I will say I am sorry I started all of this.

Has there been any more news on the injured?

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I am stopping now- the more important thing right now is what the families of all involved are feeling right now. Everyone stop calling me names (and I am not a troll) and concentrate on the families PLEASE! If you must continue to bash me please start another thread.

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Pretty ironic considering you were the one that hijacked this thread

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Police did not elaborate on a possible cause or reason for the truck's lack of stopping. It is not known whether alcohol was a factor. No charges have been filed related to this incident as of Sunday morning, but CSPD notes its investigation continues.

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I am almost positive that if Alma was drunk, she would have been arrested last night and at least charged with DWI, with harsher charges filed later. Can a LEO weigh in on this?

Probably not while it's still under investigation.

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Shall we agree then that it's not ok to label the driver as a murderer just yet?

Thumbs way down for 1984Consol. You might be wise to be careful what you say too. If I was the driver of the truck and there was a mechanical problem of some sort that caused this accident, I would sue you for slander! You also need to take a few minutes and figure out the definition of murderer before you start throwing it around.

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the geese hit both engines, disabling the aircraft. Since he was experienced enough, he was able to land it safely. Therfore, he is a hero. What iof he had crashed due to inexperience? Yes he would have been a murderer.

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this is one of the most absurd things i have ever read. ever. and i read alot of stupid crap.

What about this gem?

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Same with the 911 plane in Pennsylvannia. yes those people were heroes, but they wer also murderes because their might have been a possiblity they could have landed the plane safley

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wow. that was in the same post and the absurdity of the first comment caused me to miss it.


consider my mind... blown?

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this is just too much.. i have to save these to notepad or something..

Prayers for the families, the driver, and the still-living victims.




...and another thumbs down for 1984consol being one of the dumbest people I've ever seen. Being passionate is no excuse for being completely and demonstrably wrong (not to mention insensitive).