Whats Wrong With Public Video Surveillance?

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ha ha only Sirius
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This post is in response to a recent KBTX article, titled Council Approves Security Cameras Downtown, which explains that the city has been given state or federal grants to install spy cameras in our city.

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Video cameras, or closed-circuit television (CCTV), are becoming a more and more widespread feature of American life. Fears of terrorism and the availability of ever-cheaper cameras have accelerated the trend even more. The use of sophisticated systems by police and other public security officials is particularly troubling in a democratic society. In Washington, for example, the police are in the process of setting up a centralized surveillance center where officers can view video from schools, neighborhoods, Metro stations, and prominent buildings around the city.

Although the ACLU has no objection to cameras at specific, high-profile public places that are potential terrorist targets, such as the U.S. Capitol, the impulse to blanket our public spaces and streets with video surveillance is a bad idea. Here are four reasons why:

1. Video surveillance has not been proven effective

The implicit justification for the recent push to increase video surveillance is the terrorist attacks of September 11. But it is far from clear how the proliferation of video cameras through public spaces in America would stop a plot like the attack on the World Trade Center. Even supporters of CCTV like the Washington police do not argue that it would.

The real reason cameras are deployed is to reduce much pettier crimes, such as auto break-ins. But it has not even been demonstrated that they can do that. In Britain, where cameras have been extensively deployed in public places, sociologists studying the issue have found that they have not reduced crime. "Once the crime and offence figures were adjusted to take account of the general downward trend in crimes and offences," criminologists found in one study, "reductions were noted in certain categories but there was no evidence to suggest that the cameras had reduced crime overall in the city centre."

In addition, U.S. government experts on security technology, noting that "monitoring video screens is both boring and mesmerizing," have found in experiments that "after only 20 minutes of watching and evaluating monitor screens, the attention of most individuals has degenerated to well below acceptable levels."


2. CCTV is susceptible to abuse

One problem with creating such a powerful surveillance system is that experience tells us it will inevitably be abused. There are five ways that surveillance-camera systems are likely to be misused:

Criminal abuse

Surveillance systems present law enforcement "bad apples" with a tempting opportunity for criminal misuse. In 1997, for example, a top-ranking police official in Washington, DC was caught using police databases to gather information on patrons of a gay club. By looking up the license plate numbers of cars parked at the club and researching the backgrounds of the vehicles' owners, he tried to blackmail patrons who were married. Imagine what someone like that could do with a citywide spy-camera system.

Institutional abuse

Sometimes, bad policies are set at the top, and an entire law enforcement agency is turned toward abusive ends. That is especially prone to happen in periods of social turmoil and intense conflict over government policies. During the Civil Rights movement and the Vietnam War, for example, the FBI – as well as many individual police departments around the nation – conducted illegal operations to spy upon and harass political activists who were challenging racial segregation and the Vietnam War. This concern is especially justified since we may be entering a similar period of conflict today.

Abuse for personal purposes

Powerful surveillance tools also create temptations to abuse them for personal purposes. An investigation by the Detroit Free Press, for example, showed that a database available to Michigan law enforcement was used by officers to help their friends or themselves stalk women, threaten motorists after traffic altercations, and track estranged spouses.

Discriminatory targeting

Video camera systems are operated by humans who bring to the job all their existing prejudices and biases. In Great Britain, camera operators have been found to focus disproportionately on people of color. According to a sociological study of how the systems were operated, "Black people were between one-and-a-half and two-and-a-half times more likely to be surveilled than one would expect from their presence in the population."

Voyeurism

Experts studying how the camera systems in Britain are operated have also found that the mostly male (and probably bored) operators frequently use the cameras to voyeuristically spy on women. Fully one in 10 women were targeted for entirely voyeuristic reasons, the researchers found.



3. The lack of limits or controls on cameras use

Advanced surveillance systems such as CCTV need to be subject to checks and balances. Because the technology has evolved so quickly, however, checks and balances to prevent the kinds of abuses outlined above don't exist. Two elements in particular are missing:

A consensus on limits for the capability of public CCTV systems.

Unfortunately, history has shown that surveillance technologies put in place for one purpose inevitably expand into other uses. And with video technology likely to continue advancing, the lack of any clear boundaries for what CCTV systems should be able to do poses a significant danger.

For example, a recent ACLU visit to the Washington police department's new central video surveillance center showed that the system currently consists largely of long-range cameras focused on traffic and public buildings that are not suitable for identifying individuals. But the infrastructure for a far more sophisticated and integrated system is being established. Now that the surveillance facility has been put in place, the department will be in a position to increase the quality of its technology and the number of its cameras -- and will inevitably be tempted or pressured to do so. Do we want the authorities installing high-resolution cameras that can read a pamphlet from a mile away? Cameras equipped to detect wavelengths outside the visible spectrum, allowing night vision or see-through vision? Cameras equipped with facial recognition, like those already installed in airports and even on the streets of Tampa, Florida?

As long as there is no clear consensus about where we draw the line on surveillance to protect American values, public CCTV is in danger of evolving into a surveillance monster.

Legally enforceable rules for the operation of such systems.

A societal consensus about how cameras should be used is important, but in the end we are a nation of laws and rights that have their root in law. While the Fourth Amendment to the US Constitution offers some protection against video searches conducted by the police, there are currently no general, legally enforceable rules to limit privacy invasions and protect against abuse of CCTV systems. Rules are needed to establish a clear public understanding of such issues as whether video signals are recorded, under what conditions, and how long are they retained; what the criteria are for access to archived video by other government agencies, or by the public; how the rules would be verified and enforced; and what punishments would apply to violators.


4. Video surveillance will have a chilling effect on public life

The growing presence of public cameras will bring subtle but profound changes to the character of our public spaces. When citizens are being watched by the authorities -- or aware they might be watched at any time -- they are more self-conscious and less free-wheeling. As syndicated columnist Jacob Sullum has pointed out, "knowing that you are being watched by armed government agents tends to put a damper on things. You don't want to offend them or otherwise call attention to yourself." Eventually, he warns, "people may learn to be careful about the books and periodicals they read in public, avoiding titles that might alarm unseen observers. They may also put more thought into how they dress, lest they look like terrorists, gang members, druggies or hookers." Indeed, the studies of cameras in Britain found that people deemed to be "out of time and place" with the surroundings were subjected to prolonged surveillance.
The bottom line: a lack of proportion between benefits and risks

Like any intrusive technology, the benefits of deploying public video cameras must be balanced against the costs and dangers. This technology (a) has the potential change the core experience of going out in public in America because of its chilling effect on citizens, (b) carries very real dangers of abuse and "mission creep," and (c) would not significantly protect us against terrorism. Given that, its benefits -- preventing at most a few street crimes, and probably none -- are disproportionately small.



Copyright © 2002 American Civil Liberties Union
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.

TexasAggie008
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[This message has been edited by TexasAggie008 (edited 10/15/2008 1:10p).]
Diamond Geezer
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Great post, sirius
TorcanoAG2004
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i suppose i'll never understand a person's fear of being observed in a public place
mickeyt
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...unless they have a reason to be fearful! Hmmmmm...
CountingCrowsFan
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my objection is the cost benefit of the cameras-if they show data they pay off then I am ok with them.
TorcanoAG2004
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my objection is the cost benefit of the cameras-if they show data they pay off then I am ok with them


totally agree with this - show the cost/benefit

i just dont feel there is much of a privacy argument to be made
hindsight
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i just dont feel there is much of a privacy argument to be made



The ruse of crime will always allow the yield of power to the authorities, I guess. I do not and have not understood this sentiment. Let's just get it over with and get implanted with v-chips.

There's no argument to be made for the cameras. Crime has always existed and always will, areas were safe long before this technology was available.


Once the cameras go and are set-up they never come down. Who will ensure that the power to track & trace citizens isn't abused? Cameras in public places with digital face recognition, GPS-location via cell-phones, license-plate scanning cameras all can be used to suppress populations.

The opposite of an open and free society is one that's surveilled.

superspeck
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Dr. Doctor
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I agree with hindsight. Why is it all of the sudden necessary to watch us 24/7? If you are worried about safety, then at some point you will just turn over your wellfare to someone else, so that they can make all your decisions. And this isn't a "crazy tin foiler" speaking. What will the cameras prevent? What will the cameras be able to record?

Hypothetically, if they cost $100k/yr to operate (not including set up) and they stop only a few muggings, is that worth it? More serious incidents could have been stopped with that money somewhere else (driving, gangs, drugs, etc).

It seems as a society we are regressing from adults to kids. We want someone to watch over us and make sure we don't "skin our knee". The one thing that is always a sure fire to lower crimie is to improve the econmic situation of people, not watch them more.

The UK has cameras all over their country. Are they now safer than before? For a while, crime went up, as people were defacing the cameras. They would watch crime happen on the street, but they could never catch anyone, much less proscute because the quality of the video.

~egon
TheMathGuy
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This is one more thing the city can throw money at... Instead of fixing or maintaining the streets and keeping up with the responsibilities that they have already taken on... They have to get loans to take care of what they are suppose to take care of and blow the citizens tax money things that we don't necessarily need >>> Now they want to annex more property to put more citizens on the hook at the same time promising that they aren't going to offer them anything for the tax money that they are going to TAKE!!

Brilliant!!

Here is an idea.... Take those cameras and install them in every office building operated by the city... Every break room... Office... Conference room... etc.. Then give public access through the internet so that citizens can see what is going on there!! We can watch what they are doing and judge for ourselves if our tax money is being spent properly... Then we can have a more informed electorate... Imagine a campaign of You Tube videos of incumbents trying to justify their position when we can see how well they have been doing with our own eyes.
I can get behind THAT kind of surveillance system!!!

[This message has been edited by Oilguy (edited 10/16/2008 3:36p).]
12th Non-Reg
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Here is an idea.... Take those cameras and install them in every office building operated by the city... Every break room... Office... Conference room... etc.. Then give public access through the internet so that citizens can see what is going on there!! We can watch what they are doing and judge for ourselves if our tax money is being spent properly... Then we can have a more informed electorate... Imagine a campaign of You Tube videos of incumbents trying to justify their position when we can see how well they have been doing with our own eyes.
I can get behind THAT kind of surveillance system!!!


I support this idea. Let's start with the chief's office since he likes the idea so much. He should be fired and this council should be run out of town on a rail.

Cops solve crimes. Cameras just give the media more grainy (and often useless) footage of crimes being committed. Having this kind of footage on the news periodically WILL NOT help Bryan's image.

Do the people advising the Council have no idea how badly having these images on the TV and in the paper will damage the already fragile image that the downtown area in particular and Bryan in general has been working so hard to rehabilitate??? Especially when these grainy images often won't lead to an arrest but will merely reinforce Bryan's problems??? Why should I want to move my business down there to the site of all the soon to be very well publicized unsolved crimes???

Trashcan this dumb idea and go hire some more freakin' cops people!!!

Bad council.
Bad Chief.
No doughnut.
slyk
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Just one step closer to having your every move/whereabouts recorded.
Any of you remember the Tom Cruise movie "Minority Report"? The tracking ability of an individual as noted in that movie is coming.
That will be the day of hell on earth as there will no longer be any real freedom.
Think about, we have On-Star in our cars, toll tags and cameras on the freeways, gps on our phones, High res cameras at stop lights and RFID tags on literally everything before long.
Its all about control folks, something to think about in the long term.

As other posters have stated, unless you have your face right in the camera and can get a positive id, these things are worthless. No one will prosecute/arrest if this is the sole evidence of a crime based upon a "look a like". About the only thing they could be used for is for "additional" evidence against a crook already hauled in for other reasons.
I have cameras up at my house attached to a dvr. I occasionally have suspicious activity around my house and down the road that I've recorded. I've called the cops to let them take a look but unless the perpetrators are right in front of a camera for a clear image they just can't produce hard evidence from the video about who the person(s) is/are to go get them.
Dr.Rumack
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Stay at the Casa, get a free RFID implant. Beats having to check the front door camera...
techno-ag
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Wowzers, a 9 year old thread. Well at least we got rid of the red light cameras.
Dr.Rumack
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Actually was looking for 'How to' clean security cams. We have some that are up on nine foot pole and there is muck on the cover. Searched, hoping to find something on Home Improvement board, but alas this thread was all that popped up.

Didn't notice the date. Didn't mean to bump the old.
O.G.
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TorcanoAG2004 said:

i suppose i'll never understand a person's fear of being observed in a public place

I suppose I'll never understand the governments need to observe me in a public place.
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