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earwigfly
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On another platform, I ran across a mention of this website that lists vet practices owned by PE: https://privateequityvet.org . Go down to "Vet Map & List" to search for vets in your area.
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Thanks for sharing this info.
“Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."

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lazuras_dc
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Curious- are you doing this to seek them out or to avoid?
rilloaggie
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We used to take our pups to a VCA practice listed on the map. Been about 2 years since our pups left us but we never received anything but stellar service and fair pricing with them. YMMV but the docs we had were outstanding.
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Thank you for linking that tiny little piece of the internet.
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Many vet clinics made ridiculous money. PE firms like money. Matter of time,
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BlueSmoke said:

Many vet clinics made ridiculous money. PE firms like money. Matter of time,


Same thing for pool service
McNasty
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lazuras_dc said:

Curious- are you doing this to seek them out or to avoid?


The latter. The website puts forth the case against PE in that industry. Now that I've discovered my vet on that site, I am curious to see if there are local alternatives. Anyone know of a website that captures non PE vets?
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Our vet we used in San Angelo since I was a kid sold his practice on the north side of town to a group of investors, the prices more than doubled immediately. Had two livestock guard dogs spayed by him before I knew he had sold the practice, they charged us $1000. Haven't been back since. He spayed one for me before the practice sold, maybe a year prior, and it was $200 for one dog.
IslandAg76
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BlueSmoke said:

Many vet clinics made ridiculous money. PE firms like money. Matter of time,


What might you call ridiculous money. Like Wall Street guys? Or...?
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Vet business is big money. Throw in the perks for the dog owners and they will throw away their cash. This was a matter of time. They will all be PE in the big cities where you have a concentration of pets that are part of individual's identity or basically their "kid".

Waiting for the first IPO.
IslandAg76
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Again, what do you call Big Money.

Absolutely not defending the corporations, their sole function is to make money. They will take as much as they can. They also, often foster a corporate mentality with their staff-emergency calls at 4:30....oh, sorry-go to the ER we close at 5:00.
You DON'T want to have to go to the ER, most are corporate owned. Most referral centers are corporate owned.

I agree, look for the practice where the owner is on premises. But-they have to charge more because the corporations have driven up the cost of staff and supplies.

Need beer to really get into this problem
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It is not only happening in the bigger cities, Fayette County Vet Clinic in LaGrange just sold out within the last 30 days or so.

I know that one of the vets did not want any part of it and he sold out before the takeover.
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Please support your veterinarian if they still own their own place! Competing with corporations is getting harder and harder. Please buy your products from your vet instead of chewy. I know it may be a little cheaper but all you are doing is sending that ceo on another vacation.
Also, please just be kind to your veterinarian. A Thank you or a tray of cookies goes a long way.
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Did not know this about Fayette County vet. I asked Stribling about the possibility in September and denied it.

Guess I will be going to Burton. Actually the vet there is related to Dr. Eckerman at Westbury Animal.
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agvet13 said:

Please support your veterinarian if they still own their own place! Competing with corporations is getting harder and harder. Please buy your products from your vet instead of chewy. I know it may be a little cheaper but all you are doing is sending that ceo on another vacation.

Also, please just be kind to your veterinarian. A Thank you or a tray of cookies goes a long way.


This is the answer. I know the father/ son vet well in my hometown. They are great and have another vet working in their practice. They are within 30 miles of large populations so get lots of business. They have a working employee parking area and I like to count the vehicles when I'm there. 24 last week so I can only imagine the labor bill and benefits for many of the long time staff.
ETA that both of the vets I knew in the class of 89 and kept up with retired several years ago and both sold their practice to PE/ large firms. Can't blame them.
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PE pays really really well for larger multi Dr practices. They also pay staff and Dr's really well, with excellent crazy benefits. The pro's are they have made private practices step up their game in terms of being better business people and paying better, the con is they have upped the fee structures across veterinary medicine. My fees have probably increased 30-40% in some areas, and we make no money in the pharmaceutical arena anymore. The dynamic has changed, to where we charge more for being an actual Dr, and our diagnostics are so much better, and therefore much more expensive. The quality of care and expectation of care is so much higher than 25 years ago, it's just a different animal today.

The Mars corporation owns VCA, Banfield (Petsmart), BluePearl, and they are all now working in concert with each other. Banfield patients receive reduced fees at other Mars veterinary hospitals (VCA and Bluepearl emergency clinics have significantly discounted exams for Banfield patients). Overall, corporate fees are much higher than private practices in my experience, but the quality really still lies in the individual DVM's experience and skill set.

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DVM97 said:

PE pays really really well for larger multi Dr practices. They also pay staff and Dr's really well, with excellent crazy benefits. The pro's are they have made private practices step up their game in terms of being better business people and paying better, the con is they have upped the fee structures across veterinary medicine. My fees have probably increased 30-40% in some areas, and we make no money in the pharmaceutical arena anymore. The dynamic has changed, to where we charge more for being an actual Dr, and our diagnostics are so much better, and therefore much more expensive. The quality of care and expectation of care is so much higher than 25 years ago, it's just a different animal today.

The Mars corporation owns VCA, Banfield (Petsmart), BluePearl, and they are all now working in concert with each other. Banfield patients receive reduced fees at other Mars veterinary hospitals (VCA and Bluepearl emergency clinics have significantly discounted exams for Banfield patients). Overall, corporate fees are much higher than private practices in my experience, but the quality really still lies in the individual DVM's experience and skill set.

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The BANDFIELD in the Houston Galleria area was a worthless POS place to take your dogs…the best thing I ever did was stop using them… I was tempted to go in their after I left and tell them to all go F off…my Jack Russel had a serious pain issue and they told me go to the pet emergency room over a two day period, I tried taking him back the next morning when one of their other vets was working…. These vets obviously didn't know what they were doing, were dumb asses, or were lazy or had some type of rules from big brother

I actually went to the Pet Emergency room and they said he's just in pain so he will have to wait 12 hours till they can see him because other animals were in more serious condition (which was understandable), they suggested taking him to his normal vet which was Bandfield. Anyway, i then drove 2 hours to my mom's private vet and the vet gave the Jack Russel a pain shot and some pills for 30 days…. She diagnosed his problem immediately and said he should be fine within a week of meds. She didn't even XRay him because she had seen the same issue many times before.

screw Banfield …. When they eventually screw you over with your pet you will understand why people like me never went back to that POS place. Worst experience ever as a pet owner. I made those idiots refund the 2 dogs annual plans after I let them have it. They gave me my money back and I've never been back and I also let all my other Friends with pets know what they did and suggested for them to go find a personal vet that cares about your animals- not a roving vet place like Banfield where your dog may never be seen by the same vet

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Chewys is now starting to buy up their practices
AW 1880
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I hadn't seen the original vet in a year or so and knew he was winding down. According to the map, he sold out to PE.
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Had a long conversation about this with our long-time vet last week. She and her husband own their own practice but the private equity factor is driving up costs for everyone (I'm sure this is just how the market works in an attempt to force all local ownership out in favor of PE firms). I know that part of the reason they are able to offer the care they do is because of the family values they operate their clinic with. Most of their staff has been with them for years, and they love our dogs like their own. They provide the best care imaginable and have called us multiple times after hours or on a weekend to check on our dogs after a vet visit. I know that their operating costs just continue to go up, but I'll gladly support them (even if it means paying just a little bit more) for the rest of time.
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I know nothing about the industry.....except....that all our suburban neighbors would pay almost ANYTHING if their dog/cat needed help. Our dog included.

Vets, please keep me honest here - but isn't it primarily a cash business? Or is pet insurance more and more of a thing? Then you have the elasticity of pricing. If we took our girl in, and they found a mass or something awful - we're 100% stroking that check. But....

I'd imagine the margins aren't great either - especially starting out, so the alure of "big vet" support can be attractive. Lots of equipment, lease costs, and labor costs would seem to be problematic. You can easily scale with demand, but first you need the demand. Long hours would seem to be a given (like any medical practice) until you can scale out support/help.
Emotional Support Cobra
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Our local vet doesn't even open on the weekends anymore, so I feel he is on the way to retirement soon. We have been with him for 20 years and we are treated like family.

He has mentored numerous Aggie grads and then sent them out of the "nest." I truly hope he passes the clinic to another young Aggie vet, but I would not blame him for selling out to fund a comfortable retirement. He deserves it!
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I wonder if it's a coincidence that PE is taking over several vets and pet insurance is now a thing.

Some people I work with pay like $150/mo for pet insurance on their dog and I'm just floored.
DVM97
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Pet insurance is used by less than 2% of my clients and plays zero into my fee structure or billing.
I explain pet insurance as essentially being layaway for vet care. You're paying a monthly fee for a bill that's eventually gonna come due. Maybe not in the first few years, but eventually something will be needed. And some insurance companies pay towards wellness care. And with the fees/bills that we have for surgeries and sick patients, insurance is smart for some clients. The key is sign up for the right coverage and when your pet is relatively young.
lazuras_dc
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PE is finding its way into every service industry. HVAC, plumbing, vets, dentistry, medicine. It's honestly pretty awful.
IslandAg76
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Just like politicians, they are in every part of your life
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Private Equity = Public Enemy
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Although I don't believe it's a private equity firm but my Vet clinic, All Pets Animal Hospital in Katy, was recently sold to the Lakefield Veterinary Group. They own clinics all over the nation.

All Pets used to be Aggie owned and was an absolutely amazing clinic. The last time I took my lab in for shots, I noticed everything had changed, the staff, the services, the whole vibe of the clinic. I didn't recognize the vet that took care of us and the appointment went terribly.

So I did some research when I got home and discovered they were now owned by the Lakefield Veterinary Group. Disappointed, I will never be returning to All Pets and I am now in search of a new Vet in Katy.
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Increased interest rates is putting the hurt on PE - not sure that they will be coming down anytime soon.
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agvet13 said:

Please support your veterinarian if they still own their own place! Competing with corporations is getting harder and harder. Please buy your products from your vet instead of chewy. I know it may be a little cheaper but all you are doing is sending that ceo on another vacation.
Also, please just be kind to your veterinarian. A Thank you or a tray of cookies goes a long way.


How are those lab pups doing?
IslandAg76
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There are a number of "aggregators" that have financing. They buy cash flow then seem all the clinics to larger investors...... Such as Mars
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