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You mentioned that all you have is a liner. Did they put any sand on top of the liner? Former Aquatic Science teacher/TX Stream Team Instructor and I consult friends, neighbors, ranchers, and former students on pond restoration and maintenance.
I hear that you don't like the Johnson grass, but nature without mowing and chemicals would naturally create a buffer zone with grasses and eventually aquatic and semi-aquatic species that act as a filter/sponge to prevent massive amounts of silt, harmful runoff chemicals, fertilizers, manure, pesticides, etc. Everyone wants to have it mowed clean all the way down to the waters edge, but leaving a zone of unmowed grass as a buffer zone would be beneficial in the long run. If not already done, I would create a sandy shore zone so you will be able to move comfortably around your tank to fish and also act as a second filter after the grass buffer zone. Pea gravel & sand in shallow flat areas would help with spawning in the future along with surface area for beneficial bacteria populations to grow. All water needs movement for proper O2 levels and proper circulation to remain healthy, stagnation is a killer! Windmill aeration, solar fountains, septic air pump aeration with weighted loops at the bottom, or in design you can create drop-offs, fake creek beds to allow the density of cooler sections of water to circulate the water naturally.
Lots of variables, topography, cattle/livestock, neighbors, soil types, natural vegetation, wind blocks from trees, your watershed drainage, etc.

You are at the beginning, I know you want it to have trophy bass ASAP, but patience is key! Chemicals are a quick fix, may work great in the now, but bad in the long run. Flowing water is healthy water. Need to put some sand down on the bottom so whatever you choose to put in your tank for structure doesn't eventually tear a hole in the liner.
Sounds like a fun project!
Where you located? May be able to give you some free advice if you're close by to help you out.
I can definitely test your water quality parameters

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Good info. His pond sides had to be constructed at the proper pitch angle or all the sand will end up in the center of the liner.
Had some ranchers put in liners that sides were too steep and this happened.
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B-1 83 said:

Your johnsongrass will pretty much go away if you just leave it alone - it's just responding to the disturbance. I'd just hit it with Roundup and roll.

As far as fish, Ive always been a believer in stocking forage first, then bass. Structure will be essential for their survival. I would avoid the hybrid stripers.

This is what we did a few years back. You have to stock the feeder fish, give them a few months to grow, then add the bass.

We had a hybrid largemouth out of FL that were hyper-aggressive. Rattle-traps and top-waters got them so stirred up. Easily pull in multiple 4-5lb fish every trip.
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Thank you.

Understood re: buffer zone, helping to absorb the silt, runoff, etc. but the johnsongrass grew like crazy between the earth work wrapping up around May and late fall when it started going dormant.

3-4' tall jungle spreading outwards from the pond far, and quickly. No kid would be able to get to the pond to fish if I ever got fish in there. I figured I needed to knock this stuff out because of how aggressively it spread. ..but I suppose I could just leave a band of it on the edge of the banks and cut some trails to the bank later when there's fish in there.

I finally got a tractor and shredder in November and started cutting what I could where it had spread out, but most of the banks felt too steep for the tractor for me. and the dam is definitely too steep. I'm cutting it on foot with a brush cutter for now.

I think this pond is about 1.5 acres (the land service contractor who did the work estimated about 1.7 or 1.8 acres). I shudder to think about how many yards or loads it would take and what it might cost to bring in that much sand and/or gravel, but will do it if I need to. I was just thinking I could knock out the johnsongrass, do some back scraping on the gullies in the parts that aren't as steep and make a small berm, and spread a bunch of native grass seed to help absorb rain runoff.

The property is near Bryan TX btw.
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my advice as a natural resource professional- I think you are putting the cart before the horse. If you have a freshly dug pond, and are experiencing gully erosion the last thing you want to do is remove any vegetation. You can deal with that later. You pond is an infant, and bank stabilization is key right now.
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EriktheRed said:

my advice as a natural resource professional- .... bank stabilization is key right now.

Thank you. What is your advice for stabilizing?
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If possible, this is the way. Erosion control blanket and native seeds meant for dam/bank stabilization. I would start now deploying this on any bare ground, then once that is done, can go back and start working on Jgrass areas

https://seedsource.com/wood-fiber-erosion-control-blanket/

https://seedsource.com/dam-slope-mix/
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Also, if I may add; as mentioned above, a healthy pond will have a veg transition from upland, to semi-aquatic, to aquatic plants as you get down to the water. While it may not be as pretty as being mowed all the way to the back, it is WAY more beneficial to the health of the pond.

I offer you a different solution to your problem of having clean banks for access/kid fishing. In a pond like yours, where you are adding structure/habitat to a bare pond, this could be a great set up for you. Instead of making the bank 100% mowed/walkable/fishable, make 4/5 fishing stations. Think about it like a sporting clays course. right at the waters edge, make a small 4'x6' deck or platform with a mowed path to it from the back. if you scatter several of these around the bank you can have access to cast to most of the pond. Strategically put structure within casting distance of each. it will require a bit more cost up front, but long term maintenance will be WAY less.
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scrolled through and found some pictures that illustrate what I'm working with. and I just quickly made the last picture.

May 2025 construction



June 2025 first rain (and ended up being one of the only rains for the rest of 2025): pond filled



August 2025: Johnsongrass takeover



Current state after getting tractor in Nov 2025, cutting what I could with shredder, and hand-cutting about 1/3 of the bank by hand with brush cutter. A band around about 2/3 of the bank remains, which maybe i could leave except once it reseeds it will re-continue spreading out, right? .. and all the rhizomes from the ~2 acres I shredded in November will come back with a vengeance, probably starting next month, right?



Erosion and silt/sediment filling concerns: zoom from the previous picture: you can see gully channels forming:


lay of the land (google maps is still pre-construction when old pond didn't hold water):


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Establish your grasses/ground cover. Then you can go back and fine tune the rest imho.

Here is the link on the Hydro Mulching/Seeding I told you about. We did this on our lake banks and it worked amazingly well. https://bvhydroseeding.com/
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What's the max depth at spillway elevation?
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I think it's bout 8-12'
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With a black liner I'd be somewhat concerned about water temps in summer . Hot water doesn't hold oxygen well and you could be setting yourself up for fish kills. This is why an aerator might be a strong consideration for you imo

Underwater aquatic plants also will add oxygen but I dunno how those root in a plastic lined pond. Have never dealt with plastic liners in ponds where fish habitat were a consideration. Dealt with black plastic lined ponds for frac water storage and even up north the water gets very hot in summer.

Also , do you have a makeup water source because evaporation could also be an issue in hot and dry spells.

Would go with tilapia, coppernose bluegill , maybe a dozen channel cats , and Florida bass if it were me. Too small for crappie imo. Need 5 acres + if you want to grow big bass and also crappie. Tilapia and bluegill first and I might wait up to 6 mos on the CC's and bass.

Another thing to think about is turbidity. Get or make a sechi (sic?) disk and determine your visibility . If it's under 12" you should consider clearing it up . Most visibility issues are due to clay turbidity and can be addressed with gypsum. Since you said you have clay everywhere that is likely the cause of turbidity issues if you have them. This is important for bass growth since they are sight feeders .

Just from looking at your pics , you have a turbidity issue.
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His first pic was from a heavy rain that filled it up and was a fresh build. Filling up fast like that on a fresh build is going to put a lot of sediment in the water.
In his later picture the water has a better green look and it's seemed to cleared up a lot.
Once he gets his grasses established it should stabilize his soils and also filter the run off to where he won't get so much clay in suspension.
Gypsum will help clear it up but if he still does not stabilize the soils it will just get muddy from clay again.
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Yeah, hard to tell from pics but even if it is green which is good , green with visibility vs green without visibility is better for bass. That's why I suggest evaluate with a Secchi disk. There are a lot of differing opinions about what visibility is optimal. I think 12" minimum and 18-24" is optimal for bass.

No doubt stabilizing or reducing erosion and sedimentation is very important. I just didn't bring it up because I felt like it had already been adequately covered by others.
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Yep. The disc is a good idea. Have you used gypsum much to clear up the clay in suspension. I've got a pond here in the Ozarks that is notorious for getting clay runoff. Grasses are established but it comes from a little stream that runs into it.
ETA if we get a good run off rain it will look like hell for 6 months.
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Have used gypsum (powdered ag grade) and it works well but it may take more gypsum than bottle tests suggest . I put over double what the bottle tests suggested in one particular pond and it took some time but eventually (a few mos) the visibility went from 4" to 24" and it lasted 12 yrs +. I moved so don't know if it ever went back to muddy or not. It would mud up after a rain but then cleared after a few days. Cleared faster in warm temps vs cold. My theory is the excess gypsum layed on the bottom and continued to do its job for yrs because it would get remixed in the water column when stirred up by runoff.

I will add that to the best of my knowledge there is no downside to overdosing with gypsum other than the cost. That doesn't necessarily apply if you are using scrap drywall or something like that as it has other potentially harmful components. I Have never used anything other than Ag grade powdered gypsum.
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Roger that. Thank you very much!
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