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Need advice on next steps moving forward.

Bought property just over a year ago. Paid a crap ton of cash to remediate an old failed pond that didn't hold water. Suspected original pond hit a sand vein or was dug too deep past the claypan layer. Intended to pay for dirtwork to clear out trees and brush, take clay from elsewhere on the property, and pack it down/re-line with clay, but the contractor dug a lot of test holes, found good clay everywhere, couldn't find a sand vein, and couldn't figure out why it didn't hold water, so he recommended - to make absolute certain it will 100% hold water, that we just line it. It's about a 1.7 acre pond. Obviously a significant cost overrun to line it. ...but it sure does hold water now!!

I'd love to stock it with fish and turn it into a fishery for friends and family at some point, but I think I need advice on other issues and order to remediate, and possibly contacts near BCS.

1. Johnsongrass.. the disturbed earth from all the dirt work last year resulted in a jungle of 4' tall Johnsongrass and other weeds, all around it, and spreading out further... Banks are too steep for my ztr mower and for my comfort on the tractor, so I'm slowly in piecemeal on foot trying to cut it down with a brush cutter blade attachment on my trimmer, rake up the cuttings, and burn it, as it's all dormant for the winter. ..when it inevitably starts all its regrowth very soon, I will try to spray the whole area with Sertay (which I think is a generic version of Outrider). Outrider was really expensive and it seems to require an applicators license. ...so- I'm assuming getting this under control is the first order of business but - 1) could runoff from this herbicide contaminate the pond for future fish, and 2) what do I do to maintain if the Sartay works to make sure the jgrass doesn't return? Is there some native grass seeding I should attempt to spread all around the banks of the pond to help with both runnoff / erosion but also to overtake the jgrass rhizomes and prevent massive weeds and johnsongrass from returning? Maybe a spring Sertay broadcast spray followed by a summer follow-up? Should I look into bringing in some gravel on parts of the banks to tamp down and prevent growth?

2. Habitat... this pond is just a hole with a poly / plastic liner. I assume I need to be submerging habitat for the fish before I start calling fishery companies to come stock fish? Suggestions? Recommendations? Do I need to buy a little flatbottom jon boat to bring felled trees on the property out to the middle of the pond and submerge? Or start building some artificial habitat with pvc, poly hoses, and cement? Spread gravel? Can/should the pond/fish companies do this for me? ...or is habitat optional?
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Don't have an answer for the first two paragraphs, but I love stuff like this so looking forward to the responses. As far as cover etc. since it seems bare bottom, trees would be easiest imo. I'd look into how to make your own crappie hole on YouTube and there is some interesting videos about cover etc people make/use with pvc being one of them.

If you are looking to have a lot of people fish it pvc cover or something besides trees might be best since people will get hung up less.

Also, if you end up sinking trees with a Jon boat make sure you have a buddy with you. We sink old Christmas trees on our crappie hole in front of our camp and my uncle used a chain and filled a bucket with cement to sink the trees. When he tossed the tree over the chain wrapped around his leg and pulled him over the side of the boat, luckily he was able to hold onto the side of the boat and wait for help and people got to him quickly since it was right in front of the camp.
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Contact

Daniel Hoffman
Trophy Fisheries
979 820-2333
https://trophyfisheries.com/

He is an Aggie located in Bryan.
He refurnished my aeration windmill. Although there were some issues, he didn't give up until the problems were located and addressed. Although I offered, he refused to accept any additional payments for multiple trips to my place.

He should be able to assess your situation and help develop a plan to make a good fishery in your pond.
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Thank you!!


...raises another question since I'm a city slicker newbie.. will I need a solar powered aerator once I'm trying to support a population of fish?
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oh no said:

Thank you!!


...raises another question since I'm a city slicker newbie.. will I need a solar powered aerator once I'm trying to support a population of fish?


I would think that a pond your size would be ok without an aerator. My problem was that the pond was covered with duckweed and millweed when I bought my property. The windmill and stocking tilapia annually is for weed control. The tilapia also provide bait fish for my bass.

Edit to add: I went with the windmill because it cost less and has almost zero maintenance, other than replacing the top every ten or fifteen years. If you want the aerator, a pond your size might need two windmills.
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I think Lochow Ranch would be able to help you with all of this. Aggie owned and located in College Station.

https://lochowranch.com
EriktheRed
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BuddysBud said:

Contact

Daniel Hoffman
Trophy Fisheries
979 820-2333
https://trophyfisheries.com/


I was going to recommend him also. He is a great guy, and i think he is perfect for your situation over the bigger guys. He can help you with all of the questions you have asked here.
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Thanks. I called that company last fall. They gave me a quote for stocking some bluegill, sunfish, minnows, adult feed-trained largemouth bass, and some hybrid striped bass as well as installing a fish feeder. I might reach back out them this spring, but I didn't go with them in the fall because I wasn't feeling good yet about those questions above re: johnsongrass control, potential herbicide impact in controlling it, and installing / submerging habitat structures first. Maybe he told me that the herbicide won't affect the fish, and he mentioned habitat but didn't really provide a quote, information or advice after I asked. I don't recall. Seemed like a good dude that I talked to, but might have been more interested in selling me fish right away than alleviating my concerns or addressing those issues first.
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When my father cleaned out and expanded the pond we put structure in then as it was easy when empty. put in a pea gravel area for perch and such to use for beds. I made my own structure with black water pipe and 5 gallon buckets with concrete etc after it filled and used a small flat bottom to place it. I wanted to die a duck decoy or something to them so i knew where they exactly were later down the road.

We first started stocking the pond with fathead minnows and perch of three varieties. I think it was blue gill, coppernose blue gill and another variety. Texas A&M and I think Mississippi St. have a document each for pond management. I tried to find the documents I have on paper online again but no luck. I also have some weight calculators for perch and largemouth to judge the health of your fish. We stocked and culled to have going for a trophy large mouth pop but also some good fishing for kids for perch.

I added tilapia trying to control algae and etc. Once my dad passed I did not have the time to get to the pond like he did to fertilize for plankton bloom which also blocks light and allowing unwanted weeds and algae to grow.

We did not stock the large mouth until the following year after we stocked with fathead minnows and perch to allow the food source for them to grow and multiply.

hope this helps some


found the Miss. one
https://dev.mdwfp.com/sites/default/files/2024-03/mississippi_pond_mgmt_revised_feb_2016.pdf

Texas one

https://units.fisheries.org/tx/wp-content/uploads/sites/19/2014/03/tcafs_pond_manual_2005.pdf

TAMUallen
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You have a LOT of work ahead of you. Head over to pondboss.com and get to reading
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I was afraid of that... and expected as much.. but I think I can take solace with the idea that this work will be more satisfying than my day job.
Gunny456
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I would not recommend using the Outrider product if you get run off into your pond. Read the literature of the product you have and see what it says about run off. Also you don't want to kill all your grasses around the pond as then you stand a chance of getting silt erosion into the pond.
As far as fish structure you want to be careful using trees and branches as they can punch holes in your liner. More expensive but you can build habitat out of PVC etc or purchase pre built. There is a couple of companies that build habitat structures strictly for lined ponds.
As far as aeration….depends on how deep your pond is and does it get any specific creek run off or is it just dependent of all the runoff around it keeping it full.
Also depends on where it's built to the amount of wind it can get to cause wave action.
Aeration always helps in warm climates for sure.
Sounds like you have built a cool pond with a lot of potential.
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johnsongrass is so invasive and hard to control... if i shouldn't use Outrider/Certainty/Sertay (75% Sulfosulfuron), then I'm in trouble.

here is google AI's response to the product I have (Sertay):

Quote:

Key Considerations for Pond Banks
  • Highly Toxic to Non-Target Plants: Sertay is highly toxic to non-target plants, so it must be applied carefully to avoid contaminating the water or desirable vegetation.
  • Water Safety: While it can be used on banks, you must avoid applying it directly to open water.
  • Runoff Risk: Sertay has the potential to leach into groundwater and impact surface water quality via runoff, especially on slopes or in soil with a high water table.
  • Vegetative Buffer: A well-maintained vegetative buffer strip between the treated area and the water is recommended to reduce runoff.
  • Application Precautions: Do not apply if heavy rain is expected within 2448 hours, as this can wash the product into the pond.


Gunny456
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Couple of links for you for controlling J Grass around ponds.
https://mdc.mo.gov/trees-plants/invasive-plants/johnson-grass-control
https://extension.missouri.edu/publications/g4872
TBass IV
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Anyone know where I can striper and crappie for my 17 acre quarry lake in temple ? Hennekke is out of both.
RMC91
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Try Overtons in Buffalo, TX. Never bought fish from them but they do sell.
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Your johnsongrass will pretty much go away if you just leave it alone - it's just responding to the disturbance. I'd just hit it with Roundup and roll.

As far as fish, Ive always been a believer in stocking forage first, then bass. Structure will be essential for their survival. I would avoid the hybrid stripers.
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TBass IV
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Why? I've had them before and they're awesome. Really fun to watch them hit the feed.
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TBass IV said:

Why? I've had them before and they're awesome. Really fun to watch them hit the feed.

I view them like crappie in a pond as far as competition for forage with bass.
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Gunny456
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This.
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Thank you sir!
Gunny456
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Yep…..it's a challenge to have both of them and have big bass too. Usually won't work in smaller ponds.
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Stocking a pond is like planting trees. The sooner the better.
Put 200 bluegill fingerlings in it and wait 6 months. Then add 40 LMB fingerlings.
Make sure there is plenty of habitat for the little ones to hide in. One easy way to make it is out of milk crates and 1/2" poly irrigation tubing. Put bricks in the milk crates. Attach a duck decoy to mark them.
Throw trees along the edges.
A rule of thumb on aeration is if the pond is less than about 7 ft deep the wind action is sufficient for oxygenation.
You can buy fish many places. It's surprising how many bluegill fingerlings you can get in a plastic bag.
Read pondboss.com
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If you have cedar trees on your property they're free and just as good if not better than any pvc or something you might buy. Dump a few deep and a lot in the 1-5 foot range. Forage need cover to survive and reproduce. Those bluegill are what will grow your bass.
Gunny456
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He says he has a liner. Cedar tree limbs will sometimes punch holes through the liner.
Damn good habitat otherwise.
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barnag said:

If you have cedar trees on your property they're free and just as good if not better than any pvc or something you might buy. Dump a few deep and a lot in the 1-5 foot range. Forage need cover to survive and reproduce. Those bluegill are what will grow your bass.


If you really want to grow fast, buy some legal tilapia once we've warmed up enough
Gunny456
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Can add crawdads as well for a great forage and protein source for bass and catfish.
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As said, I would simply use 41% Glyphosate on the Johnsongrass this spring when it starts growing. It will be easy to kill.
Add a little surfactant and use within 6 hours of mixing, minerals in most water will neutralize it. I add water soluble nitrogen to boost its uptake. Follow label directions.
A common generic brand is Eraser. Get a 2.5 gallon jug at a feed store or Tractor Supply , it's inexpensive compared to other herbicides.
The original glyphosate brand was Roundup. Now Bayer sells at least five different herbicides under the brand name " Roundup". So easy to get confused.
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They used to call the aquatic safe Roundup Roundup Custom. Now it's rebranded as Aquamaster.
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