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Cloud Seeding - So we really are doing this?

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japantiger said:

P.U.T.U said:

I haven't listened to the episode but here it is. I believe I saw a clip that mentioned we have been cloud seeding since at least the 70s


At 42 minutes for about 6 minutes, high level discussion of cloud seeding, geo engineering and chemtrails
At 1:12 for about 8 minutes he discusses cloud seeding in detail

In general, cloud seeding proven tech; requires moisture in the air; no lasting effects beyond the initial seeding; can impact an area of roughly an average size city; he's failed way more times than he's succeeded. Uses drones to fly into clouds
Geo Engineering - proven tech, needs a lot more study...not understood if it is good or lasting
Chemtrails - generally bull*****..no motive that makes sense even if it could be done




I thought you only posted trophy hunts that none of the rest of us could possibly hope for.

Get back to work, sir.
japantiger
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Slow hunting year....picks up again in '26
Pondering65
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schmellba99 said:

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/summary.htm

https://southtexasweathermodification.com/

https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/what-is-cloud-seeding/

The concept of cloud seeding has been around for a long time - since at least the 50's drought. Cloud seeding doesn't create clouds or thunderstorms. At best it can help existing clouds develop more moisture and increase chances of rain, which is the entire point.
Trust the science they said… it is more scientific to question the science
jakeaggie84
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I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.

txags92
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jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it.
fullback44
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Seeding had nothing. To do with two tropical systems parking themselves over central Texas and dumping rain, one was remnants from a Pacific storm and the other was remnants from the gulf storm that landed south of Veracruz Mexico. These tropical type systems have been causing severe flooding for central Texas for literally hundreds of years, probably even thousands of years. There is a reason all those lakes were built to start with.

I remember in 2007 ( says July 6,2007- almost the exact time frame 18 years ago) a pacific tropical system parked itself west of San Antonio and Austin, Lake Travis filled up to something like 705 ft, I had a SeaRay there on the lake and had to take a little boat just to get to my marina (Paradise Cove Marina). The marina was 100-200 yards out in the water floating with all the boats (it never moved ).

These tropical systems parking over that area are old news- people need to pay attention to these warnings when tropical moisture shows up during summer months. It shows it flooding happened on Lake Travis on June 1,2016 and and October 20th, 2018 as well,

Historical lake Travis flooding
https://www.golaketravis.com/waterlevel/
BrazosDog02
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Cloud seeding works. But it had nothing to do with this system. Cloud seeding is a one and done thing. The only seeding done was 150 miles south east of there and it was on July 2 if I recall. Cloud seeding doesn't keep working. It's per cloud. Once that cloud collapses, it's over. It does not create 'torrential' immediate and severe downpours, anyway.
VaultingChemist
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FYI, cloud seeding was involved in the extensive flooding in North Texas in August of 1978 when tropical storm Amelia rained itself out. At the time, it set the U.S. record of rain in 24 hours at an official weather station - 29.05 inches.

How much of the flooding was due to the cloud seeding?
JB!98
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Asking for a friend who never gets rain, even when it is surrounding him. Is there a DIY could seeding kit?

As an example, my friend went out and mowed the yard today. His wife said it is going to pour on you.

My friend got sprinkled on while mowing.
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jakeaggie84
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txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.
txags92
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jakeaggie84 said:

txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.
If you live in the typically agricultural areas where cloud seeding is going on, there are several hundred things that I would worry about in my air more than silver iodide or salt contamination. Unless you are standing behind the plane huffing the fumes, your potential for toxic effects from cloud seeding are practically nil.

And as for when I last heard about it, it was a few months ago when the TWDB regional water plans for several regions included cloud seeding as a strategy. I first heard of it probably 3 decades ago while taking a water law class from Dr. Kaiser. Again, if you are worried about who is polluting your air, there are dozens of sources around you that I would get worked up over long before I worried about cloud seeding.
Jbob04
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Supposedly the Russians did this after the Chernobyl disaster to try and prevent radioactive material from traveling to Moscow and other big cities
The Kraken
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jakeaggie84 said:

txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.


Cloud seeding has never been a conspiracy theory. Its results and effectiveness have been up for debate over the years, though.
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The Kraken said:

jakeaggie84 said:

txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.


Cloud seeding has never been a conspiracy theory. Its results and effectiveness have been up for debate over the years, though.


That's not true. It's been secret for a long time and people who talked about weather modification/chem trails were considered conspiracy theorists. Just see the OP. It's only been common knowledge for a year or two. And maybe some of you are cool with silver iodide raining down on your kids, but most people think it's a bad idea. I know congress has a couple laws lined up trying to stop it. Just like glyphosate, you may think it is safe and effective, but long term studies show it's not.
maverick2076
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Cloud seeding has never been secret, never been mysterious, and never been a conspiracy. I'm 46 years old and read about it when I was a teenager.
96ags
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jakeaggie84 said:

The Kraken said:

jakeaggie84 said:

txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.


Cloud seeding has never been a conspiracy theory. Its results and effectiveness have been up for debate over the years, though.


That's not true. It's been secret for a long time and people who talked about weather modification/chem trails were considered conspiracy theorists. Just see the OP. It's only been common knowledge for a year or two. And maybe some of you are cool with silver iodide raining down on your kids, but most people think it's a bad idea. I know congress has a couple laws lined up trying to stop it. Just like glyphosate, you may think it is safe and effective, but long term studies show it's not.
Absolutely untrue.

I'm 51 years old and have known about it most of my life.
The Kraken
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jakeaggie84 said:

The Kraken said:

jakeaggie84 said:

txags92 said:

jakeaggie84 said:

I don't know if it caused the rain, but I'm not a fan of chemicals and silver iodide being sprayed around the sky's while keeping it secret from the population that is paying for it.


For people who are "keeping it secret", they probably shouldn't have those "operations" pages on their websites telling you exactly what they did, when they did it, and where they did it
Just a couple of years ago this was considered a conspiracy theory. They have been doing this for many years, but when was the first time you heard about it or have seen the details they now put online? And did you vote on them to pollute your air? I didn't.


Cloud seeding has never been a conspiracy theory. Its results and effectiveness have been up for debate over the years, though.


That's not true. It's been secret for a long time and people who talked about weather modification/chem trails were considered conspiracy theorists. Just see the OP. It's only been common knowledge for a year or two. And maybe some of you are cool with silver iodide raining down on your kids, but most people think it's a bad idea. I know congress has a couple laws lined up trying to stop it. Just like glyphosate, you may think it is safe and effective, but long term studies show it's not.


Chemtrails are indeed a conspiracy theory, and a bad one at that. Large scale weather modification via chemtrails, HAARP, 5G cell, space lasers, etc...pure bunk.

Squeezing some moisture out of some clouds via seeding is not.
Jbob04
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There are some pics on the cloud seeding thread on the politics forum from the battalion from the 40's and 50's talking about cloud seeding.
P.U.T.U
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Its well known we were doing it in Vietnam during the war to slow movements of their troops.
jakeaggie84
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So we are on the same team, those that are "in the know". Outdoor board is in the top 1% of knowing things, But I was called crazy many times when talking about it with others.

The majority of America has no idea this is going on.

My opinion….not cool to play god and rain down silver iodide on the population. Defend it all you want, but it's not a good thing. Even if a tiny percentage makes it to us, still not good policy.
Jbob04
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Are you confusing cloud seeding with the chem trail conspiracy? Two totally different things.
jakeaggie84
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Jbob04 said:

Are you confusing cloud seeding with the chem trail conspiracy? Two totally different things.


No. Silver iodide is toxic but they say it's not enough to hurt anyone. Just a little toxicity in the air is okay, right.

Surprising so many on the outdoor board are cool with this.
txags92
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jakeaggie84 said:

Jbob04 said:

Are you confusing cloud seeding with the chem trail conspiracy? Two totally different things.


No. Silver iodide is toxic but they say it's not enough to hurt anyone. Just a little toxicity in the air is okay, right.

Surprising so many on the outdoor board are cool with this.
I do environmental investigations and remediation of soil, groundwater, surface water, and sediment for a living. Silver iodide from rain seeding doesn't make it anywhere near the top 100 things I would be worried about getting exposed to in the environment.
96ags
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jakeaggie84 said:

Jbob04 said:

Are you confusing cloud seeding with the chem trail conspiracy? Two totally different things.


No. Silver iodide is toxic but they say it's not enough to hurt anyone. Just a little toxicity in the air is okay, right.

Surprising so many on the outdoor board are cool with this.
Whether cloud seeding is something I think is a good idea or not doesn't change the fact that you were very disingenuous about the topic early on this thread. Makes it very difficult to take you seriously.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

Go read the commentary by actual metrologists. Go to Facebook (social media, I know) and look up The Eyewall or Space City Weather. Those guys are based out of Houston and do metrology for Center point or NRG if memory serves.

They have a post that goes into detail how these storms kicked off from the remnants of that tropical storm in Mexico and a stalled boundary over Texas
Used to follow them closely but one of the two, perhaps both of them, are global warming proponents though they somewhat tone it down after some ridicule.
jakeaggie84
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So we should keep the toxins going? Let's try and stop most toxins and poisons. Top 100 or not. I would love my 4 kids to have as little toxicity exposure as possible. I guess I'm in the minority with that position. I'm fine with that I guess.
The Kraken
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According to a old friend Aggie Meteorologist who is pretty highly regarded himself, Travis is widely regarded anong the A&M Meteorology community to be the all time best Meteorologist to come out of A&M.
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The Kraken said:

According to a old friend Aggie Meteorologist who is pretty highly regarded himself, Travis is widely regarded anong the A&M Meteorlogy community to be the all time best Meteorologist to come out of A&M.


He's the best
Independence H-D
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Been going on over a century.

https://daily.jstor.org/charles-hatfield-rainmaker/


Widespread Panic has a song about him.





La Fours
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ABC 13 - Chief Meteorologist Travis Herzog

Here's the text of that Facebook post.

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Hi. It's me again. Let's talk about cloud seeding.
We're all hurting over here in Texas after these floods. Children are still among the missing. The death toll is now over 100. We're in various stages of grief and still trying to make sense of what just happened as we grapple with the reality that this flood has permanently altered the trajectory of so many family histories.
So why am I bringing up cloud seeding? Because I've seen the same viral videos and posts you have seen claiming that cloud seeding is responsible for the floods in the Texas Hill Country, and it's inserting confusion and questions into a grieving community that really needs to be focused on other things at this time. Scientific voices in the meteorology community are needed right now to help put these claims to rest, so I will again lend my voice to help answer some of your questions and hopefully clear up some confusion.
What is cloud seeding?
Cloud seeding is a type of weather modification that involves injecting a few grams of a chemical (usually silver iodide) into an existing cloud to "seed" the formation of larger water droplets or ice crystals that will then cause the cloud to precipitate slightly more than it would have if left alone. We've been doing it in America since the 1940s, and the physics behind it is pretty simple.
How does it work?
Clouds are composed of tiny water droplets or ice crystals called hydrometeors (and that my friends, is where the word "METEORology" comes from!) that need even smaller microscopic particles called "cloud condensation nuclei" to form. These are things like specks of dust, salt, and smoke. When they are present in a moist airmass, that moisture can condense around those particles to create water droplets. Most clouds don't rain or snow because the water droplets or ice crystals remain too small for gravity to pull them down to the earth. The silver iodide particles injected into clouds are significantly larger "cloud condensation nuclei" that happen to be really good at creating larger droplets or ice crystals that can fall to the ground.
What is the purpose of cloud seeding operations?
Generally these are designed to help enhance rainfall or snowpack in arid regions of the country that do not have dependable rainfall and are subject to droughts.
Is cloud seeding regulated?
Yes, there are both federal regulations and state regulations. It is not done in secret. You can read about federal regulations here https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Flibrary.noaa.gov%2Fweather-climate%2Fweather-modification-project-reports%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExYTlzS3EybFhBRkkzeWpvagEe5FrZ2aVetrQAzAabiiJ-0Qwv9yDeBRxkLAVTq7Fp8FKEd0iUcaDHHUOXdLk_aem_wMQFxWdW9Deo-g5F9_7ifw&h=AT23Z8drc7irFCnMbpkxbB-8xMlGiKSedNxSGc8eK28LkUbBICmAiAef6wwkQFF6QMg12C3bLpCg4vb2e7i-621HNxqMLVNnuDzcR_JMhSjAXpdq7QC59zuFjptC4J72K-Knc2jcqdMi&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0" class="postlink " target="_blank">=AT3iU2mM5rOUI7q4uGAFHsrsyVsQ0FUl-uD17TZp9j16KJyL-Rv6uELHczMGv3hvoFlQxqgqXYNaqxJcKgNDWYYmCtkGKsPVI_bK82prkBM0W6cUDx_MtbtowbQmFjXQiuXTlSx6gKvCdh9RHr_Ev6dG0w0do-JmFim6y56r0iS5]https://library.noaa.gov/.../weather-modification-project... and you can read about Texas regulations here https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/
Were cloud seeding operations conducted on the storms that produced the Texas floods?
No. In fact, Texas regulations prohibit cloud seeding on storms that could produce severe weather, tornadoes, or flash floods. One of the companies singled out on social media for cloud seeding conducted its last operation on Wednesday, July 2nd.
Could the cloud seeding conducted two days before the floods have created or impacted the storms on July 4th?
No. Only an existing cloud can be seeded, and once that cloud has been seeded, it rains itself out. Furthermore, the cloud seeding took place southeast of San Antonio, roughly 150 miles away from Kerr County.
Does cloud seeding create stronger "super storms" or lead to less rainfall elsewhere?
The science and observations say no. According to the Texas Department of Licensing and Regulation website, "There is no evidence that the seeding contributes to less rainfall anywhere else. What is more, there is no evidence that seeding causes clouds to grow substantially taller and produce unwanted effects (such as damaging winds, hail, and flash floods). To the contrary, the available evidence from over eight years of research in West Texas suggests cloud seeding, when done timely and accurately, contributes to more gentle, widespread, and longer-lasting rains."
The TDLR FAQ section on cloud seeding is an excellent resource, and I highly recommend you read it if you would like explore this topic more: https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/weatherfaq.htm
I also once again recommend watching this exceptional video primer from my weather friend ABC News Chief Meteorologist https://www.facebook.com/gingerzeetv?__cft__[0" class="postlink " target="_blank">=AZWeS9aM6Jrll24nwyiI2QFN59YrOoBiW35o3BIxclEcq0_aB5SSMXKTc1d_480Vdo7nSK00stt3_iDhqtkexRcSzs2xmi5vixMmFqAr5Cg-CWaDst0OMFXL-obDgN0OSKivp1fvMXxSk6DPDRJioHpD&__tn__=-]K-R]Ginger Zee: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodmorningamerica.com%2Fvideo%2F116008822%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExYTlzS3EybFhBRkkzeWpvagEe9MH32S4EUKMVnp0VpQAp9hKZ4A_Rl8ebGUnqw7V86tqpi8g_kSrEXOBcNcY_aem_zojljpvLFs07QTbxwq2vCw&h=AT35yBfu_ULxjI8TaRgIkClUTNjnq_WSSAkDHDWnslXRfXdL6yvHCQcwY-roiMnm4MW92eBoIiEqlQmoG8eFQqBh3hWABNccPQ_xSuFSbJvYvcEtUnHd45AWhyLUbgT9ZVs5RkVfjJxX&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0" class="postlink " target="_blank">=AT3iU2mM5rOUI7q4uGAFHsrsyVsQ0FUl-uD17TZp9j16KJyL-Rv6uELHczMGv3hvoFlQxqgqXYNaqxJcKgNDWYYmCtkGKsPVI_bK82prkBM0W6cUDx_MtbtowbQmFjXQiuXTlSx6gKvCdh9RHr_Ev6dG0w0do-JmFim6y56r0iS5]https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/video/116008822
Even though cloud seeding was not responsible for the Hill Country floods, I know there are moral and ethical concerns when it comes to modifying the weather (or any natural Earth system), however small those modifications may be, and the topic is worth more public discourse and scrutiny.
At the end of the day, this flood was caused by the remnants of two tropical weather systems that cannot be created nor controlled by mankind, despite claims to the contrary. I mean, look at this rainfall map. That's a year's worth of rain in some communities that fell in 5 days over a geographic area bigger than many states in our country. Does it make sense to you that dropping a few grams of silver iodide into a cloud 150 miles away from the hardest hit communities two days before the flood even occurred could have caused this?
It's been said before that extraordinary claims you encounter can be true, but you should demand extraordinary evidence to back them up.
If you made it this far, congratulations. I hope it helped. Now let's focus on what really matters: Helping the grieving families and communities in their time of need.
Here are some ways you can help: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fabc13.com%2F17000575%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAYnJpZBExYTlzS3EybFhBRkkzeWpvagEepR5GclhWgucFjP5x0TdEVog7HQZ4sCpmV8Ms5w3lL2mf5j2kcIVe7HkwL5w_aem_wFzNvH1MRPEBwd2Co3KUsg&h=AT25lLeTjLn5DCfJ8EDqnan2mrIKi06uwRL40Ulxm2Dg1b41rf1sldAroTxffAYCTPGjLYvi79FaH1hQt7eAn_uir4OYdpQOWehxOpw-Yi5oGuusBcSaQ-w8OUGqORreeF_chyH-antB&__tn__=-UK-R&c[0" class="postlink " target="_blank">=AT3iU2mM5rOUI7q4uGAFHsrsyVsQ0FUl-uD17TZp9j16KJyL-Rv6uELHczMGv3hvoFlQxqgqXYNaqxJcKgNDWYYmCtkGKsPVI_bK82prkBM0W6cUDx_MtbtowbQmFjXQiuXTlSx6gKvCdh9RHr_Ev6dG0w0do-JmFim6y56r0iS5]https://abc13.com/17000575/
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jakeaggie84 said:

So we should keep the toxins going? Let's try and stop most toxins and poisons. Top 100 or not. I would love my 4 kids to have as little toxicity exposure as possible. I guess I'm in the minority with that position. I'm fine with that I guess.
So do you let them drink from plastic cups? Drink soda, juice, or water from plastic bottles? Do you use roundup or other pesticides or herbicides on your lawn? Give your pets topical flea killer treatments before letting your kids pet and snuggle with them? All of those are likely exposing your kids to more potential toxins at higher doses, more frequently, and for a longer duration than what they might get if they stood out in a rain storm drinking rainfall from a seeded cloud.

Toxicology studies for chronic exposures are typically done based on 25-70 year life cycles of exposure. Given the infrequent nature of rain seeding operations and the wide area over which the relatively small events are scattered, you might be really unlucky to find yourself under 2-3 events in the course of 10-20 years. That level of exposure is absolutely nothing compared to what you get from the off-gassing of plastic in the interior of your car every day, the stain resistant treatments in the carpet your toddler is crawling on, the microplastics in the beverages they drink, the chemical residue on their backyard playground from the farmer down the road crop dusting his fields 3 times a year, or the PFAS in and on the water and products you consume.

You are welcome to keep worrying about it and go to your local water authority or regional water planning group meetings to argue against it, but unless you are as militant about all the other things I mentioned and dozens of others that are similar in nature, you are barking at an ant on your sidewalk and ignoring the dozens of anthills in your yard.
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