I was reading some articles about the Hunt storms and saw this Twitter comment from a company that is actually doing cloud seeding? I thought this was just rumors and conspiracy theories, but is this actually happening?

And if so, WTF are we thinking? Sorry, but mother nature is uncontrollable and to even think we can change it is a very narcissistic and asinine idea.

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Not really an answer to your question, but that guy was on the Shawn Ryan show a month or so ago and it was an interesting listen.

I know they were doing it around Atascosa county back in the 90's. I'm not sure how prevalent it is now. But I guess it's going on in some places by the looks of that guys account.

Thanks will listen to it.

So this company did do some cloud seeding in South Central Texas on July 2 per his Twitter posts. So who ordered and paid for this? Who has authority over this?

He says these clouds dissipated within a few hours and a normal cloud only last 2-3 hours etc.

But how do they know this seeding material doesn't stay in the atmosphere and gets carried by the winds into other clouds? Like the tropical storm that started all this and moved north July 3?

These social media posts are a disgusting cancer on our society.

One of the TikTok/FB Reels/etc conspiracy videos I saw suggested that the city of Kerrville killed a bunch of little girls by manipulating the weather to better fit some 2050 downtown revitalization effort.

It's atrocious, cruel, and maddening that it was posted - and people think it's real. I will not be linking the video.

Go read the commentary by actual metrologists. Go to Facebook (social media, I know) and look up The Eyewall or Space City Weather. Those guys are based out of Houston and do metrology for Center point or NRG if memory serves.

They have a post that goes into detail how these storms kicked off from the remnants of that tropical storm in Mexico and a stalled boundary over Texas

They have been doing this in central / south Texas for quite a while. I believe it's privately funded. It had nothing to do with the recent storm as Kenneth_2003 described. People can't just forget this area has consistently been in a horrid drought in recent years.

With all the tremendous upside to free speech this is definitely the dark side. Some people need their ass beat a few times to helps curb this type of BS.

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They have been doing this in central / south Texas for quite a while. I believe it's privately funded. It had nothing to do with the recent storm

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Butterfly effect applicable here as the concept that small actions or changes in a complex system can have large, unpredictable, and sometimes even dramatic consequences later on.

Man trying to harness nature ... whether by creating new viruses not native to this earth, or tampering with cloud seeding.

Who really knows what effect this may have had. It's impossible to predict.

For the last 70 years every time there is a major rain event the stories of cloud seeding surfaces.. So we had rain events like this before…..

Yes, people on Twitter are the worst and there is a dark place in hell for them. I actually got banned for 7 days yesterday when some California congressman said something about Trump and floods so told him "TO keep TEXAS out of his &%*$@# mouth!" and a few other choice words.

And yes, I know it floods in the hill country during heavy storms as I have been going there for 45 years.

But Sorry but can we get back to my OP questions.

Just curious from a technical perspective if cloud seeding is actually happening as this company on Twitter says they are doing it and did it in South Texas on July 2.

I know nothing about it and want to learn more as who is doing it and why and does it really work?

It seems there are rumors and talk about it, but unless I have missed some media about it, its a non talked about issue other than on internet forums and conspiracy talk.

I guess farmers would throw money at it to try to get it to rain on their land during droughts. So curious if any farmers/ranchers on this board are familiar with it?

Yes. It's a thing

And we taxpayers are likely paying for it.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/weathermodmap.htm

I heard that Shawn Ryan episode a while back. The guy that is doing it stated that they are very much in the preliminary stages of the company. No one that listens to the entire explination of how it works would locically believe that seeding on the 2nd would make it rain on the 4th.

https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/summary.htm

https://southtexasweathermodification.com/

https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/what-is-cloud-seeding/

The concept of cloud seeding has been around for a long time - since at least the 50's drought. Cloud seeding doesn't create clouds or thunderstorms. At best it can help existing clouds develop more moisture and increase chances of rain, which is the entire point.

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With all the tremendous upside to free speech this is definitely the dark side. Some people need their ass beat a few times to helps curb this type of BS.

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I lol'd at this, it's so true

"And THIS one's for being crazy, crazy!"

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https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/weather/summary.htm

https://southtexasweathermodification.com/

https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/what-is-cloud-seeding/

The concept of cloud seeding has been around for a long time - since at least the 50's drought. Cloud seeding doesn't create clouds or thunderstorms. At best it can help existing clouds develop more moisture and increase chances of rain, which is the entire point.

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This. I learned about this while at A&M in the 90's. Then I knew it was happening all over South Texas.

if it really worked....it would be done everywhere every time there is a drought. Just think about a) what it would mean for farmers and food supply/costs in the entire country, and B) California as dry as it is with population exploding. Lakes low, wildfires every year, etc. They certainly would have the state gov't backing too.

all that said.....you do the math

https://www.facebook.com/wfaa.steve.mccauley/posts/pfbid0E8EwHaFUb9Th693iXuFuTcpALd7BmY16xaimiVF7VXvXbpCDTZbn1BqQo53BEnMEl

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This is just a quick list of points brought up in the comments in the previous post:
(1) There are two separate lists for names of tropical systems in the east Pacific and the Atlantic Basin. So far we have had 6 tropical cyclones in the Pacific, thus we had the "F" name, Flossie. We have only had 3 storms in the Atlantic Basin, the last two of which were Barry and Chantal.
(2) Flossie made it to hurricane status but was weakening rapidly down to tropical storm status prior to the central Texas floods.
(3) Barry was a brief tropical storm and moved into Mexico, well south of Brownsville. It came nowhere near Houston.
(4) Atmospheric moisture levels were near or above record levels across central and southwest Texas due mostly to the remnants of Barry with a small contribution from Flossie.
(5) Cloud seeding operations do NOT affect background moisture levels in the atmosphere, thus these record levels would have been present with or without weather modification.
(6) Cloud seeding operations attempt to force what water is already in the atmosphere down to the ground in the form of raindrops instead of staying in the clouds. A raindrop can be over a million times larger than a cloud droplet. This is why clouds "float" but rain falls. Cloud seeding makes cloud droplets grow to raindrop size so they can become heavy enough to fall.
(7) As someone who has participated in cloud seeding operations in the Concho Valley and who has studied it for years as a graduate student as well as an independent scientist, I can assure you that even if "they" were conducting such operations that night - which I have learned they were not - there is no way they could have done anything to even remotely assist in this tragedy. The scale of what happened was simply too massive. Just because I can swim in a pool doesn't mean I can negotiate the sea.
( 8 ) If cloud seeding - or any type of weather modification for that matter - had anything to do with the massive amounts of rain that fell that night, we have to ask ourselves how did some of the forecast computer models come up with 15 to 20-inch rainfall totals in their forecasts? Weather models have no knowledge of the number and locations of cloud seeding aircraft nor their specific flight paths and procedures.
Other info will follow for anyone interested. But right now I am writing a little computer program that will allow me to better show the potential impact of an MCV (yes, we talked about those before!) on this situation.

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Not arguing but wondering what the actual formation of clouds is over the areas in California that would even give the possibility to try it? You'd think their govt would be all over it to turn things around. I'm not in disbelief it's going on but am curious who's driving it

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Not arguing but wondering what the actual formation of clouds is over the areas in California that would even give the possibility to try it? You'd think their govt would be all over it to turn things around. I'm not in disbelief it's going on but am curious who's driving it

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Not arguing but wondering what the actual formation of clouds is over the areas in California that would even give the possibility to try it? You'd think their govt would be all over it to turn things around. I'm not in disbelief it's going on but am curious who's driving it

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Cloud seeding only works where there is abundant moisture, but insufficient condensation nuclei. In California, if the subtropical jet is too weak, too far north, or too far south, they don't have the available moisture to make it work. If the jet is in the right place, they usually have plenty of rain.

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Go read the commentary by actual metrologists. Go to Facebook (social media, I know) and look up The Eyewall or Space City Weather. Those guys are based out of Houston and do metrology for Center point or NRG if memory serves.

They have a post that goes into detail how these storms kicked off from the remnants of that tropical storm in Mexico and a stalled boundary over Texas

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Yes I saw this somewhere else as well. I lived near Lake Travis for 3 years and have followed the lake levels for the past 15 - 18 years, all the big rain events that flood west of Austin and San Antonio are almost always related to tropical weather events coming from the Baha or western side of Mexico and the Pacific. When those storms send moisture across Mexico towards Texas we can have big flooding events. That is exactly what happened in this situation (plus some gulf moisture as well). This has been happening for literally hundreds of years, maybe much much longer. I remember one of the lake Travis flood events where it got up over 700 feet, we had to take a dingy out to the marina to get to my boat

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With all the tremendous upside to free speech this is definitely the dark side. Some people need their ass beat a few times to helps curb this type of BS.

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There used to be a poster on Texags, Fast Fred, whose signature was something like:

Before the internet, the village idiot was limited to one village.

May Fast Fred rest in peace.

In any event, this weather modification conspiracy has been discussed for decades. Was a favorite topic of Art Bell on Coast to Coast AM. Would talk about HAARP facility in Alaska all the time.

Rip Art.

Twister 2 taught us that you can use diapers to break up a tornado. So of course you can use microcrystals to cause a flood.

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Twister 2 taught us that you can use diapers to break up a tornado. So of course you can use microcrystals to cause a flood.

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But what about Sharknado????

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94chem said:

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Twister 2 taught us that you can use diapers to break up a tornado. So of course you can use microcrystals to cause a flood.

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But what about Sharknado????

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Bridge too far, my friend. I mean, maybe baby sharks.

If it's a topic that interests you, here is a really good book that talks about weather modification in a way I was able to understand:

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The Brothers Vonnegut: Science and Fiction in the House of Magic

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I haven't listened to the episode but here it is. I believe I saw a clip that mentioned we have been cloud seeding since at least the 70s

Dr. Dredd's Wagon Wonders already did this.

It was the fact that the RAIN PARKED OVER ONE AREA.....

Seeding doesn't cause storms not to move.

I have a good friend that is full on lunatic over EVERYTHING conspiracy. Huge into man influencing weather via seeding / etc.


Even he isn't thinking cloud seeding had anything to do with most recent flooding in Kerrville. He isn's so convinced it wasnt a part of Helene though!



I love conspiracies, but this is too much for me.

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These social media posts are a disgusting cancer on our society.

One of the TikTok/FB Reels/etc conspiracy videos I saw suggested that the city of Kerrville killed a bunch of little girls by manipulating the weather to better fit some 2050 downtown revitalization effort.

It's atrocious, cruel, and maddening that it was posted - and people think it's real. I will not be linking the video.

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I have a HS classmate who seems to proudly wear the tinfoil hat and is all in on a lot of conspiracy theory topics/issues. She seems to take those postings as gospel and sent a link for one of those to me. That was kind of the last straw for me, unfriended her.

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I haven't listened to the episode but here it is. I believe I saw a clip that mentioned we have been cloud seeding since at least the 70s

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At 42 minutes for about 6 minutes, high level discussion of cloud seeding, geo engineering and chemtrails
At 1:12 for about 8 minutes he discusses cloud seeding in detail

In general, cloud seeding proven tech; requires moisture in the air; no lasting effects beyond the initial seeding; can impact an area of roughly an average size city; he's failed way more times than he's succeeded. Uses drones to fly into clouds
Geo Engineering - proven tech, needs a lot more study...not understood if it is good or lasting
Chemtrails - generally bull*****..no motive that makes sense even if it could be done