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Deer Becoming Private Property in Texas

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CivilEng08
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Senator Bob Hall thinks they should be. Big time slippery slope here if this grows legs. Has the potential to completely upend wildlife management.

https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/89R/billtext/pdf/SB02147I.pdf#navpanes=0

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OWNERSHIP OF BREEDER DEER. (a) Except as provided by Subsection (c), a breeder deer is the personal property of a deer breeder...
TAMUallen
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Breeder deer
CivilEng08
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TAMUallen said:

Breeder deer
All deer are a publicly owned resource.
TAMUallen
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If anybody thinks that breeder deer aren't actually private property then you're delusional, regardless of how you feel about breeding operations
SanAntoneAg
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CivilEng08 said:

TAMUallen said:

Breeder deer
All deer are a publicly owned resource.


The Texas Supreme Court reaffirmed public ownership in fall of 2020.

I doubt Hall's proposed bill will gain any traction.
fburgtx
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Hypothetical: What do y'all think of someone buying some acreage, then throwing up a 10-12 ft fence, effectively "taking ownership" of all the wildlife in there (anything larger than a squirrel is now trapped inside, and "outside" wildlife no longer have access to the area)???
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Bob Hall is a pompous ash hat..... and that is being nice. Most hate him in Austin and in his district as well, yet he continues to get re-elected.

Privitizing deer has got to be the most stupid idea in the history of stupid ideas!

Hunting in Texas has been heading the wrong direction for decades. Not near enough public access to hunting has been available in the state. I understand that the situation is due to the high percentage of private land ownership. But if this moves forward, the breeders will further advance the spread of CWD and the scarcity of access to hunting will exponentially expand.

Don't even get me started on the feckless tpwd higher ups that have turned the other way (and get kickbacks) when it comes to the breeding industry in Texas.

F breeders
F tpwd
F privitizing deer
CivilEng08
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This bill doesn't have anything to do with the concept of having breeder deer. It's about establishing a law that a deer can be privately owned at all. Breeders have big plans based on establishing this first: Seasons/Harvest, transport, CWD response

High fence a place, and one generation later, it's full of privately owned breeder deer after meeting a few low bars.
duddleysdraw88
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TAMUallen said:

If anybody thinks that breeder deer aren't actually private property then you're delusional, regardless of how you feel about breeding operations
and therein lies the problem. It is a total double standard.

I agree with you, but there seems to be a large grey area that both sides claim they are correct.

If you have a wild deer, it is public property.

If you purchase a deer, it is private property.

If you build a fence around a wild deer does it become private property?

What if I buy a private bred doe and release it in a low fence area and it wanders off and a neighbor shoots it?
Can I claim they shot my private property?

What if a private deer escapes their enclosure and ends up at a neighboring property? Does the private deer become public deer when it leaves it's enclosure?

If it leaves one private high fence and directly enters a neighbor's high fence.... who now owns that deer?


This sounds a little crazy and perposterous....... but you know there will be some court battles over this in the not so near future.


If my bull goes to my neighbor's pasture........ it is still my bull and he can not shoot it.

If my dog goes to my neighbor's backyard, it does not become my neighbor's dog.

If my dog goes to the neighbor's and harrasses their cattle.... they can shoot it?....or can they???

Where does this stupidity end? Probably where a lawyer court case says it ends!
duddleysdraw88
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CivilEng08 said:

This bill doesn't have anything to do with the concept of having breeder deer. It's about establishing a law that a deer can be privately owned at all. Breeders have big plans based on establishing this first: Seasons/Harvest, transport, CWD response

High fence a place, and one generation later, it's full of privately owned breeder deer after meeting a few low bars.
Bet you a dollar to a donut, they will expand the season or eliminate it all together on "private" deer. Thankfully, deer shed and will allow some relief.

CWD would be spread even faster than the breeders currently are fu king things up across the state(s).

This is a really stupid segue but how far could this go? where would this end?
If I release some quail, ducks, dove, etc out of season, can i shoot them if they were "my birds"? Sorry Mr. Game Warden.....but prove that they were not "mine".

Jtd08
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Bob Hall is an absolute jackass
txags92
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CivilEng08 said:

This bill doesn't have anything to do with the concept of having breeder deer. It's about establishing a law that a deer can be privately owned at all. Breeders have big plans based on establishing this first: Seasons/Harvest, transport, CWD response

High fence a place, and one generation later, it's full of privately owned breeder deer after meeting a few low bars.
There is already a bill filed in the house by Rep Curry to take away TPWD's ability to regulate breeders and another to abolish the Texas Animal Health Commission. The privatization of breeder deer is as much about being able to charge the state full retail price for the deer they kill if they have to depopulate a herd for CWD as anything else. High fence a bunch of deer, introduce CWD, wait a year or so until a few test positive, refuse to agree to anything else TPWD wants to do, then claim they were all trophy deer when TPWD depopulates the herd as a last resort. Profit!
txags92
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They can already do that easily via MLDP.

The ultimate goal of the breeders is to get deer behind high fences established as privately owned livestock and have them regulated only by the department of Agriculture. The have spent the last several years demonizing TPWD for their efforts to slow down CWD spread to get the public on their side in trying to take away TPWD's role in managing the breeder operations. Guys like Dr Deer and Ted Nugent are out there actively undermining TPWD specifically for that reason.
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duddleysdraw88 said:

Bob Hall is a pompous ash hat..... and that is being nice. Most hate him in Austin and in his district as well, yet he continues to get re-elected.

Privitizing deer has got to be the most stupid idea in the history of stupid ideas!

Hunting in Texas has been heading the wrong direction for decades. Not near enough public access to hunting has been available in the state. I understand that the situation is due to the high percentage of private land ownership. But if this moves forward, the breeders will further advance the spread of CWD and the scarcity of access to hunting will exponentially expand.

Don't even get me started on the feckless tpwd higher ups that have turned the other way (and get kickbacks) when it comes to the breeding industry in Texas.

F breeders
F tpwd
F privitizing deer

Own your own land and manage your own deer population. The state would have to "confiscate" private land to increase public access. Why do we need more public access you leach? Buy or lease land for hunting if hunting deer is your thing but don't expect someone else to provide your recreation for you.
MouthBQ98
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Once they become formally acknowledged as effectively owned livestock, you open windows for anti-hunting advocates to insert restrictions and regulations. As it becomes a more elitist ectivity practiced by fewer people with more wealth or access or dedication, the supporting voter base will diminish in comparison to oppositional activists, so there is a long term consequence to policies that make hunting less accessible and public.
txags92
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Thunderstormr said:

duddleysdraw88 said:

Bob Hall is a pompous ash hat..... and that is being nice. Most hate him in Austin and in his district as well, yet he continues to get re-elected.

Privitizing deer has got to be the most stupid idea in the history of stupid ideas!

Hunting in Texas has been heading the wrong direction for decades. Not near enough public access to hunting has been available in the state. I understand that the situation is due to the high percentage of private land ownership. But if this moves forward, the breeders will further advance the spread of CWD and the scarcity of access to hunting will exponentially expand.

Don't even get me started on the feckless tpwd higher ups that have turned the other way (and get kickbacks) when it comes to the breeding industry in Texas.

F breeders
F tpwd
F privitizing deer

Own your own land and manage your own deer population. The state would have to "confiscate" private land to increase public access. Why do we need more public access you leach? Buy or lease land for hunting if hunting deer is your thing but don't expect someone else to provide your recreation for you.
Who says the state has to confiscate land? Most of the recent new state parks have come about either through families donating land to TPWD or the state buying properties that came up for sale.
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