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The Ghost of Johnny
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Found this in storage on my family's land. It's unmarked and old, with a good rusty patina. I'm trying to identify it. Any ideas, Texags?

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/zDjd2e8vTqOj9LXGomR4mg.HisKFJS20fMwk7P5txa2PB

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/xDUb6fFVSHWjYznRmB4ndw.t7U6cMXemlyc_IcB2OAALe

https://www.amazon.com/photos/shared/REbEwlLYT2O3fEhwfPtxYA.rKlkftl2ksBKxUZzFno_Bb
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CS78 knows about this stuff.
carl spacklers hat
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US Cavalry sword. I'll give you $250.

**edit for the spelling error. Thx Augustus!
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The Ghost of Johnny
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carl spacklers hat said:

US Calvary sword.


While I think you're correct, I was hoping someone could give a little more info - time period, manufacturer, etc.

Not interested in selling at this time, thanks.
Capt. Augustus McCrae
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carl spacklers hat said:

US Calvary sword. I'll give you $250.


Calvary is where Jesus was crucified. It's probably a Cavalry sword
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Hah! In my giddiness at the prospects of posting a witty comment, I didn't check spelling. Thank you, sir!
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nealan
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I don't know, but that's pretty cool man
The Ghost of Johnny
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I read it too quickly as well and missed the mistake
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What you've got there is an OG Groomsman's gift
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Holy s*** that's cool
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The handle and blade profile look like a M1833 Dragoon Saber, but the ricasso and guard aren't correct.

Are there any markings on the blade just above the hand guard, or on the bottom of the guard itself at the pommel?
The Ghost of Johnny
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Unfortunately, there are no markings that I can see. I'll try to take some more pictures and share them.
schmellba99
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The shape of the handguard is similar to those between the late 1700's through the M1833, but the style of it isn't anything I've seen - it is very odd to say the least. Also it appears to be iron or steel versus brass, which is somewhat unusual as well.

Tiffany & Co. made some cavalry sabers for the Union army during the WONA that had iron handguards, they are the only ones that come to mind that didn't forge them out of brass. Some older makes or imports likely did but there are thousands of different manufacturers that sent their equipment overseas here, especially in the war for independence through the civil war time periods.

Don't do anything like try to clean it or remove the rust, at least not until you know what it is. There are a couple of military sword forums that you might look at and post it on - those guys know all kinds of stuff about older edged weapons.
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Would a steel hand guard imply this was a display piece, not a "working" saber?
schmellba99
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CanyonAg77 said:

Would a steel hand guard imply this was a display piece, not a "working" saber?
It could. But the Tiffany M1840 and M1860 sabers were used in battle, so there are some examples where they are more than display.

It could also be some type of aftermarket guard, privately commissioned, or, most likely an import, of some kind. Imports from Germany and France were really common up through the civil war, and up until then officers had to buy their swords or were gifted their dress swords versus them being issued.

The blade profile, fuller and handle sans the guard scream M1833 Dragoon or thereabouts.
76Ag
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I have read that curved swords ere used by cavalry.
The Sun
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Looks a lot like a 1794 Virginia contract sabre. See the first sabre in the third photo down on the first page.

https://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1982-B46-U-S-Cavalry-Sabers.pdf
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schmellba99
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The Sun said:

Looks a lot like a 1794 Virginia contract sabre. See the first sabre in the third photo down on the first page.

https://americansocietyofarmscollectors.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/1982-B46-U-S-Cavalry-Sabers.pdf
Lots of similarities. The Virginia Contract M1801 sabers had a solid hand guard without any cutouts, though it is very possible that this one could be modified.

Aside from the handguard, the grip isn't the same though. The older models like the one you found have less wraps with the braided wire and didn't have grooved grips.

The Ghost of Johnny
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I just checked and there are no markings or engravings on the sword. It's going to be put in the safe as is for now.
The Ghost of Johnny
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The Revolution era Potter sabres had an iron hand guard.

https://emuseum.history.org/objects/70056/potter-light-dragoon-saber
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