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Today is the 30th anniversary of wolves being introduced in Wyoming. The Wyoming governor at the time says he got no advance notice, just a call from Interior Secretary Bruce Babbitt who called him the same day the wolves were released but told him not to worry, that the wolves would never leave the park and if they did the feds would bring them back.

The article quotes a wildlife biologist who says the wolf introduction has been a complete success, but then shreds his own credibility by saying that wolves haven't affected elk population in the area since they only kill old and sick animals.

A success from the wolf's perspective.

There are 8 moose in this pic and another 13 in the other direction. All 21 in a mile radius on antelope flats which has become a safe haven for moose from the wolves up Gros Ventre, where the moose used to reside.

Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

AgDad121619 said:

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Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

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Id say that is correct. Wyoming has killed 2 or 3 so far that wandered across state lines, wish I could buy a beer for those trigger pullers. Couple more have died, but I dont keep a close eye on it really, ballot box biology won and it is here to stay. I did hear that a few were in Aspen, so hopefully some poodles from the trust fund kids get eaten.

Hoyt Ag said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

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Id say that is correct. Wyoming has killed 2 or 3 so far that wandered across state lines, wish I could buy a beer for those trigger pullers. Couple more have died, but I dont keep a close eye on it really, ballot box biology won and it is here to stay. I did hear that a few were in Aspen, so hopefully some poodles from the trust fund kids get eaten.

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sad to think what is going to happen to the US states highest elk population - I guess the ballot box hates Elk. I'm assuming no US states would commit wolves knowing the devastation so our liberal "friends" up North had to step in.

I figured there be some recent conversation on this thread with the city folk and lawmakers that shoved this down the western slopes throat suddenly unhappy with the cost of their NIMBY project.

https://coloradonewsline.com/2025/07/01/lawmakers-colorado-wolf-reintroduction-program/

"I understand a lot of this money is going to ranchers and producers to help to compensate them," Sen. Dylan Roberts, a Frisco Democrat, said. "That's money hopefully being well spent, but that's also money in the state of Colorado right now in the budget situation we're in that is not going to fixing potholes in roads. It's not going to classrooms across the state. It's not going to people who are losing their health care and many who are about to lose their health care. This seems out of control."

If they are concerned with budgets, then they should probably focus on the tens of millions being spent on illegals in Denver, a bridge to nowhere and Polis' other stupid f'ing ideas.

You cannot hate Democrats and Polis apologists enough.

AgLA06 said:

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"I understand a lot of this money is going to ranchers and producers to help to compensate them," Sen. Dylan Roberts, a Frisco Democrat, said. "That's money hopefully being well spent, but that's also money in the state of Colorado right now in the budget situation we're in that is not going to fixing potholes in roads. It's not going to classrooms across the state. It's not going to people who are losing their health care and many who are about to lose their health care. This seems out of control."

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Don't worry, real soon those Liberals will change the program and make compensating the ranchers for their losses much more difficult. They will initiate new reporting and proof measures that make it much more expensive and time consuming on those making a claim. This is always the plan from day one.

Mas89 said:

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AgLA06 said:

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"I understand a lot of this money is going to ranchers and producers to help to compensate them," Sen. Dylan Roberts, a Frisco Democrat, said. "That's money hopefully being well spent, but that's also money in the state of Colorado right now in the budget situation we're in that is not going to fixing potholes in roads. It's not going to classrooms across the state. It's not going to people who are losing their health care and many who are about to lose their health care. This seems out of control."

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Don't worry, real soon those Liberals will change the program and make compensating the ranchers for their losses much more difficult. They will initiate new reporting and proof measures that make it much more expensive and time consuming on those making a claim. This is always the plan from day one.

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You always get more of what you are willing to pay for. Pay for illegals to live a cush life without working? You will get more illegals. Pay for cattle killed by wolves? You will get more reports of cattle killed by wolves. The front slope Californians would just rather pay for illegals than cattle.

Yes but it's a Huge problem for the ranchers in wolf country. My son has worked summers on 2 different Idaho ranches and when a wolf comes out of Yellowstone and into Montana/ Idaho ranch land, ALL of the ranchers are worried about the potential losses. Word travels fast.

Sometimes carcasses in remote cattle/ mountain/ forest lands are not discovered at all or much later but they know Exactly how many were turned out and how many return.

I'm just glad Wyoming is doing our dirty work. I think they have popped 3 off so far. Keep at it boys.

Mas89 said:

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Yes but it's a Huge problem for the ranchers in wolf country. My son has worked summers on 2 different Idaho ranches and when a wolf comes out of Yellowstone and into Montana/ Idaho ranch land, ALL of the ranchers are worried about the potential losses. Word travels fast.

Sometimes carcasses in remote cattle/ mountain/ forest lands are not discovered at all or much later but they know Exactly how many were turned out and how many return.

I don't think the government employees who have implemented and supported the wolf stocking programs realize how much they are hated by ranchers and their communities. But they might find out one day.

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Wasn't disagreeing that it is a real issue. Just making the observation that just about any government system setup to pay for something will increase the occurrence of that something once people learn to game the system. Once illegals learn they can get free debit cards, phones, housing, etc. just for showing up, more will show up. Once ranchers figure out they can get paid for any dead carcass they document and claim to be a wolf kill, more will start getting paid for as wolf kills. That doesn't mean there are not real wolf kills or that it is not a real problem. It is just the nature of government programs that it will get abused and proving the fraud will be difficult.

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Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs?

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Makes sense according to Bergman's Rule: Animals of the same species located farther north will be larger than those closer to the equator. It helps with heat retention. Just an adaptation like animals in cold environments have smaller ears... think kit fox vs. arctic fox.

AgDad121619 said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

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Id say that is correct. Wyoming has killed 2 or 3 so far that wandered across state lines, wish I could buy a beer for those trigger pullers. Couple more have died, but I dont keep a close eye on it really, ballot box biology won and it is here to stay. I did hear that a few were in Aspen, so hopefully some poodles from the trust fund kids get eaten.

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sad to think what is going to happen to the US states highest elk population - I guess the ballot box hates Elk. I'm assuming no US states would commit wolves knowing the devastation so our liberal "friends" up North had to step in.

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Make no mistake. This is a way for the anti-hunters to gain more traction. Wolves bring down the population. Reduce tags.

War of attrition. They won't stop.

Team Wolf forever

Team ungulate and livestock. Shall I send for my sword?

AgDad121619 said:

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Hoyt Ag said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

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Id say that is correct. Wyoming has killed 2 or 3 so far that wandered across state lines, wish I could buy a beer for those trigger pullers. Couple more have died, but I dont keep a close eye on it really, ballot box biology won and it is here to stay. I did hear that a few were in Aspen, so hopefully some poodles from the trust fund kids get eaten.

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sad to think what is going to happen to the US states highest elk population - I guess the ballot box hates Elk. I'm assuming no US states would commit wolves knowing the devastation so our liberal "friends" up North had to step in.

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I am completely against wolf introduction, but check the elk numbers on all of those states and you will find that elk numbers are at or above desired levels. I didn't believe it, either, until I was told and started looking into it.

All i have read is about the Wyoming / Yellowstone ecosystem that has been devastated by them - any good sources / links would be appreciated

This is one thing that I found:

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/news-events/new-elk-harvest-record-set-wyoming-hunters

Propaganda gets put out by both sides, I'm sure, but there are numbers listed in this article. You can find similar literature in other wolf states. Again, I was very surprised.

And Idaho. This last season was up 11 percent from the anomalous down year, the article says the average has been at or near records.

https://idfg.idaho.gov/article/2024-hunting-outlook-elk

They should be relocated.

To Central park.

eric76 said:

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They should be relocated.

To Central park.

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The wolves of Wall Street

Hoyt Ag said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Just got my annual Elk magazine - lead editorial is about wolves. Author claims the wolves relocated from Canada are bigger and more destructive than the current northern rocky wolf packs? Any truth to this for those in Colorado - Hoyt?

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Id say that is correct. Wyoming has killed 2 or 3 so far that wandered across state lines, wish I could buy a beer for those trigger pullers. Couple more have died, but I dont keep a close eye on it really, ballot box biology won and it is here to stay. I did hear that a few were in Aspen, so hopefully some poodles from the trust fund kids get eaten.

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I've got some work in the northwoods and WI opened a wolf season a couple years back that closed (something like 203 reported takes) in about 24 hours. Since then the eco nuts have been claiming low #s to keep it from reopening. The deer hunters have largely abandoned the area. So farmers and guys training dogs to track bear are rumored to be gut shooting the wolves they come across (plausible deniability if they run miles and die elsewhere).

MouthBQ98 said:

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Because the spot value of a calf doesn't cover the loss of its potential in a breeding program into the future, or if it was a milk cow that was producing, or a sheep with many shears in its future. I think there are losses that can't be accounted for that should be included in a valuation enhancement if those pushing the wolf program want ranchers to be a bit more friends instead of enemies.

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This. You also don't k ow what you're buying at auction. My cousin runs a small herd and we know full well the "good" cows and the turds. I always thought it was common knowledge that you're buying someone else's headache at auction. You lose a generational good mama cow, how do you quantify that loss? We've had cows that were absolute nightmares as replacements that had to be cycled back through the auction process. Just that is a massive headache by itself.

Bayou City said:

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Team Wolf forever

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Team Wolf in Canada forever.