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Adding risers to septic- legally DIY?

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cupofjoe04
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Let's say there is an aerobic septic system on a residential property in North Texas (Collin Co.)

TLDR- The homeowner wants to add a few risers to an existing system. It's easy, and they don't have the money pay a professional to do it. Are they out of luck and a pro is absolutely required? Could they legally install risers as a homeowner? Should this just be done quietly and don't say anything?

Longer Discussion:
Current system has no risers on it, just one of those rectangle valve box covers that sits over the 3rd tank. The home was bought a year ago, and homeowners are discovering all the things that were sort of rednecked together, and the septic is one of them. The ground above the other tanks is clearly undisturbed, so quien sabe the last time anything other than 3rd tank was looked at or pumped.

It is in need of a complete pump out, getting lots of junk into the 3rd tank. So all 3-4 caps will be exposed very soon. The homeowner also want to make sure there is a filter/screen and be able to clean it periodically. Risers would allow better access to monitor, repair, and maintain the system, and have been recommended by the current maintenance company. But, the $2200 quote to have four risers installed is more than said homeowner can comfortably digest for a job that can EASILY be done DIY. No issues paying a pro what they are worth, but this is not rocket surgery.

My question is legality- the only info I can find about online about a homeowner working on their own septic in Collin County says "Any/all required OSSF maintenance must be preformed by an appropriately licensed OSSF Professional- home/property owner maintenance allowed only if the owner has a minimum of a Class D Wastewater License and proof of training by an appropriately licensed OSSF Professional." They recognize that this requirement is more stringent than the TCEQ requirements. So, not only the Class D License is required, but also "proof of training". Whatever that constitutes.

Would installing risers on an existing septic system count as "maintenance"? That whole section really just speaks about the regular inspection and reporting requirements. Earlier it talks about site evaluations and installation. It says nothing specifically about repairs or additions by a homeowner or professional. Maybe TCEQ has requirements for that?

Or, would adding risers not even be regulated, as it isn't exactly working on the actual system? Nothing in the septic system would be altered, only adding risers to safely keep dirt off of the covers. Who would even know that risers had been installed, except the current maintenance company? Is it their job to whistle blow such things?

I know the current maintenance company takes pictures of the area and submits them to the county with their reports. Would this trigger an inspection and/or penalty if all of a sudden risers started showing up on the pictures? I can't imagine any other way the county would find out, unless we needed to pull a permit for something for some reason.

Is this one of those cases where there is no real option but to pay someone else thousands of dollars for something that could be done for hundreds? Or, is this a non-issue since it's not inside the tanks? Or, is this a SSS situation, just deal with the fine if it ever gets found out.

Of course, this is all theoretical- I would never imagine doing anything illegal or that the state looks down upon. And I lost all my guns in a boating accident many years ago.

TIA for any and all discussion on this completely theoretical thought exercise.
Whoop Delecto
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OnlyForNow
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I added risers my self after the spetic company came and dug up the old lids that had been underground for 20+ years.

I found some 24" water line pipe and cut it to make the riser then got square landscaping pavers for lids.

Fitting actual risers onto tanks must be an art form because my company wanted over $1,500 for it, my cost was a pump out and $50 for adhesive/caulk and the pavers.

will.mcg
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Derail: can anyone point me to a "how to maintain your septic system" type of page or video? I have no idea what or anything I should be doing. I have the kind with four lids & a a little pump that pumps air down into it. There's also a pump in one of the chambers that pumps the clean water out to the sprinklers.
OnlyForNow
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Just fyi, that aint really "clean" water.
cupofjoe04
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will.mcg said:

Derail: can anyone point me to a "how to maintain your septic system" type of page or video? I have no idea what or anything I should be doing. I have the kind with four lids & a a little pump that pumps air down into it. There's also a pump in one of the chambers that pumps the clean water out to the sprinklers.
You have an aerobic septic system. Just do some google-fu on caring for aerobic septic and you will turn up more videos and articles than you can shake a stick at. It isn't hard, you'll get it down quickly.

Here is one to get you started.
basics of aerobic septic
schmellba99
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will.mcg said:

Derail: can anyone point me to a "how to maintain your septic system" type of page or video? I have no idea what or anything I should be doing. I have the kind with four lids & a a little pump that pumps air down into it. There's also a pump in one of the chambers that pumps the clean water out to the sprinklers.
You have an aerobic system.

Not a whole lot of maintenance needed. Biggest thing is watching what you flush down the toilet. Although it isn't required, and probably doesn't make a huge (if any) difference, using Rid-X once a month is a good idea to keep your bugs going.

Other than that, make sure your compressor is functioning correctly and get your contract (or if you want, take the state course) for maintenance established. About once every 8-10 years you may need to pump out your sludge tank and it wouldn't hurt to hit the finish water tank to get any sludge off the bottom while you are at it.

Dose it with chlorine every other week or monthly, depends on your useage.
schmellba99
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You can buy risers off of Amazon and install them yourself with zero issues. Nothing says that you have to have some type of license to work on plumbing after the fact.

They will need a maintenance contract with a state certified plumber, or they can take the class and do the quarterly testing and paperwork themselves. I pay for a contract because it's way easier and a better use of my time.
cupofjoe04
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schmellba99 said:

You can buy risers off of Amazon and install them yourself with zero issues. Nothing says that you have to have some type of license to work on plumbing after the fact.

They will need a maintenance contract with a state certified plumber, or they can take the class and do the quarterly testing and paperwork themselves. I pay for a contract because it's way easier and a better use of my time.


Thanks! I deeply appreciate the feedback.
cupofjoe04
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Just to make sure I am reading this correctly- I welcome anyone's opinions or comments.

Collin County requires "Any/all OSSF maintenance must be performed by an appropriate licensed OSSF Professional- home/prperty owner maintenance allowed only if the owner has a minimum of Class D Wastewater License and proof of training by an appropriatly licensed OSSF Professional."
https://www.collincountytx.gov/Services/Engineering/Development-Services/Documents/On-Site%20Sewage%20Facilities%20Rules%20and%20Regulations%20(CO.%20No.%202008-187-03-11).pdf

- Collin Co gives no definition of "maintenance"

Texas Administrative Code does, however:

(35) Maintenance- Reaquired or routine perfomance checks, examinations, upkeep, cleaning, or mechancial adjustments to an on-site sewage facility, inclidng replacement of pumps, filters, aerator lines, valves, or electrical components. Maintenance does not inlcude alterations.
https://newtools.cira.state.tx.us/upload/page/0983/docs/LandDevAndEmerg/30%20TAC%20Chapter%20285.pdf


So, If I am reading correctly - a homeowner with no Wastewater licences can perform "alterations" (which I'm assuming would not include things requiring a permit, like moving the spray/leach field). Adding risers would certianly safely fall in this category.
But, replacing a pump would require a Maintenace Professional, or a homeowner to have a license. It would also appear that an unlicensed homeowner is not technically allowed to, say, clean or replace their own filter screens.
Deats99
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I do all my own repairs and maintenance these days short of pumping. New chlorine, pumps, controllers, heads, pipes, and agitator.
About every 2-3 years I get a threat from the county over a the lack maintenance contract, I call we argue the slither away.
A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
-George S Patton
Whoop Delecto
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cupofjoe04
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Whoop Delecto said:

I replaced my aerator on my own in 2018, if my drug test is clean then my probation is over next year,
Ha ha, love it!!!

Hope you have a good parole officer.
74AnimalA
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My System in Magnolia had was too much half-@$$ in it.

Parts which I fixed was the wiring. They had 7 conductors in a 1/2 conduit and when it didn't fit they bent it until it broke the conduit, then put a couple of wraps of elect tape on it. It was also not sealed and not free draining. So over time, water would run back into the conduit and when the aerator and lift pump would come on, those wires being power would get hot, and led to premature failure of the whole system.

I changed to 1 1/2" conduit, made sure it ran down hill and emptied into the septic tank. To be on the safe side my Inspection Company sent a tech out and I let him terminate the wires (both power and control. Control being the floats)

The other issue I had was the collars on the tank. I had a couple of extensions added to get the lids up to ground level. Then later, I needed to dig all that up and seal them (I filled in the void and then just used spray flex seal) to to the tank and each other.
I was having an issue with rain water getting in the tank around the collars and then in a a storm, the system would go to alarm then shut down as it was over filled with storm water. Needless to say drainage around you septic system should be some consideration to avoid this issue.
schmellba99
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The "maintenancec required by the Class D operator is quarterly reporting on water quality, thats it. Cant remember all what is involved, but it isnt much.

You can take a state certified course (about 8 hours IIRC) and get your license and do all of the quarterly reporting yourself or hire a septic company to do it for you.

I pay $225 a year to have it done.

All other actual maintenance you can do yourself or hire it out. You are making this harder than it needs to be, it is pretty simple.

I replaced my pump years ago myself, removed one of the spray heads and have rebuilt and replaced my aerstor compressor a few times. None of it is hard.
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