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Stun guns, Batons and where to buy them?

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flipper94
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Anybody have any experience with stun guns. Daughter headed off to college in a week and wants one. Any trusted websites for this type of stuff? Academy carries some as well as Carters Country, but is there any difference in the manufacturers? She is not into carrying a handgun, yet.
Watchful Ag
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Carrying a stun gun would make me nervous because I'd be worried that said criminal might mistake it for a real gun and react with more aggression than originally intended.

I'd recommend carrying pepper spray instead, but I'm certainly open to others responses.
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No info on stun guns etc but have a few things to suggest.

Local to BCS firearms training. No financial stake, just taken a few of their classes.

https://integrityftc.com/


A "knife" that can be carried anywhere without setting off a metal detector.

https://www.turkeyrunknifeco.com/product/tactical-sharpie

Find a local MMA, JuJitsu gym to train at.
flipper94
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I better clarify because I don't know which term is used for which. She wants the zappy ones with the probes that you actually touch the person with, not the guns that shoot the projectiles and wires.
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https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101769692?pid=200558


Here you go. Something like this?
SGrem
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Get her into a R.A.D. class for women. Rape Aggression Defense.

Number one of these classes is awareness....and keeping distance. Stun guns are close quarters toys/I mean tools.... get her pepper spray and teach he to run. Make distance. With a stun gun she won't react....she will wait till they are right up to her. It's a mindset. Same as when you are hunting with a rifle vs handgun vs bow vs blowgun vs spear vs knife vs stun gun.

My suggestion is anything else.

Above all remind her that she believes in Jesus and you fight to the death right there. Do not let them take you
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flipper94
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Alaska, that's is exactly hat I was talking about but damn if Sgrem doesn't lay it out pretty well there. Makes good sense. May still go with both and the last sentence…absolute truth.
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I was just trying to answer your question, but I agree with Sgrem that it may not be the best option.

I will be in your shoes in three years and will have to deal with this too. I would lean more towards something like that.

What I will say, in the words of the great Paul Harrel, nothing is more important than program compliance. So if she is dead set on a stun gun and doesnt care for other suggestions, a stun gun it is.



And right now my daughter wants to go to school in Houston. As in either at U of H or Rice (soccer). Joy!
flipper94
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I hear you, 100%. Mines going to Austin. Definitely have my concerns. She's pretty independent and will be carrying pepper spray and the stun gun. Just gonna have some talks with her before. And definitely looking into some of that training. She'd be into it. She's petite but ain't afraid. Thanks guys.
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SGrem
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Look into Bryna Technologies less than lethal weapons. Stun guns are great ....If you have literally no other options ....think trapped in an elevator. Otherwise she would be better off with flinging elbows and knees than trying to dig that thing out of her purse and getting closer to them to use it. The only scenario when a stun gun would be useful is trapped in an elevator or if they have you in their grasp....and in that case be flailing.
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SGrem said:

Look into Bryna Technologies less than lethal weapons. Stun guns are great ....If you have literally no other options ....think trapped in an elevator. Otherwise she would be better off with flinging elbows and knees than trying to dig that thing out of her purse and getting closer to them to use it. The only scenario when a stun gun would be useful is trapped in an elevator or if they have you in their grasp....and in that case be flailing.

Legal in all 50 states, essentially a CO2 pistol that spits out a tear gas ball instead of a paintball.

My only caution is it can be mistaken for a real gun which might not be good, depending on the situation.

https://byrna.com/pages/hannity-landing
96AustinAg
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FWIW I am an OC instructor in addition to firearms. Stun guns, pepper ball guns, etc are well-intentioned toys that don't work in the real world.

I'll offer you this as a fellow Ag: if you can persuade your daughter to make the drive 20-30m north to Hutto, I will give her a free lesson on proper tactics and use of pepper spray and give her a new POM OC cannister, FREE.
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SGrem
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Good on ya man.
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CactusThomas
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My stun gun is a .380
flipper94
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That's awesome man. I will definitely have a chat with her about that. Getting her moved up next week. She may be very interested in this. Appreciate ya.
OnlyForNow
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This is my line of thought but my .45 identifies as a stun gun.
96AustinAg
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Flipper, I sent you a PM with my contact info.
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Courtesy Flush
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That Turkey Run website has some interesting products that they sell as tactical self defense tools but they don't say how they work. What exactly does that Sharpie do?
flipper94
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got it. Thanks!
ags4rocks
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A good can of wasp spray in the car door works pretty well and you can reach out and touch someone with that!! A CCL instructor gave me that freeby… stay safe!
96AustinAg
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ags4rocks said:

A good can of wasp spray in the car door works pretty well and you can reach out and touch someone with that!! A CCL instructor gave me that freeby… stay safe!


No, no, no, and please, no. Use real OC, which works better. That urban myth needs to die.
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OnlyForNow
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I'm not volunteering but I'd imagine wasp spray to the eyes ain't gonna feel good.
falconace
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Get a can of bear spray
NoahAg
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Get her a Glock 19 and range lessons.
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OnlyForNow said:

I'm not volunteering but I'd imagine wasp spray to the eyes ain't gonna feel good.

At our hunting ranch in Carrizo every nightstand and end table had a can of wasp spray on them for not wasps. Never had to use them thank goodness.
Stringfellow Hawke
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Courtesy Flush said:

That Turkey Run website has some interesting products that they sell as tactical self defense tools but they don't say how they work. What exactly does that Sharpie do?
Just a tool that can be taken into areas with metal detectors to ensure one's safety. For example, if one's family member is traveling overseas to an area that is not so safe, I feel better that she at least has some measure of protection.
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I am hearing good things on the Byrna guns but not familiar with them.

Edge weapons are great for women. My teenager just got hers through abia but then got popped with it at DIA, its being mailed back.

The psychology aspect might be most important accepting that evil exists and that I could be a target of that evil so that vigilance or awareness becomes the basis for avoidance and deterrence.

96AustinAg
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JFABNRGR said:

I am hearing good things on the Byrna guns but not familiar with them.

Edge weapons are great for women. My teenager just got hers through abia but then got popped with it at DIA, its being mailed back.

The psychology aspect might be most important accepting that evil exists and that I could be a target of that evil so that vigilance or awareness becomes the basis for avoidance and deterrence.


If they actually understand how to use them... I'm a big fan of push daggers for people that aren't going to do a lot of training. Almost everyone understands how to punch.
https://shivworkspg.com/shop/shivworks-el-nino/

You are SPOT ON regarding the psychology aspect. We must accept the world as it is, not how we wish it was.
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96AustinAg
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NoahAg said:

Get her a Glock 19 and range lessons.
It needs to be better understood that there are a lot of scenarios and use cases between a harsh word and deadly force.
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bobcat90
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Why not pepper spray and a loud alarm off her keychain? It's what I have as a realtor when I have to show a sketchy single man I don't know.
nealan
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OC???
Never mind, googled it
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Yep. I started carrying pepper spray in addition to a gun and a knife once this truly clicked. It is insanely more likely that I'd have to pepper spray a homeless dude having a psychotic episode than employ deadly force. It's also way more preferable than going hands on.
flipper94
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Got her pepper gel, loud ass alarm thingy as previously mentioned, tazer, bought myself a new knife for my belt and collapsible baton. Laid it all on the counter and cashier said "damn, y'all mad at somebody?"

Thanks to everybody for the tips and stuff. Will be going further into some training as well, hopefully very soon. Dropping her off Wednesday. First child headed to college. Oof.
96AustinAg
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flipper94 said:

Got her pepper gel, loud ass alarm thingy as previously mentioned, tazer, bought myself a new knife for my belt and collapsible baton. Laid it all on the counter and cashier said "damn, y'all mad at somebody?"

Thanks to everybody for the tips and stuff. Will be going further into some training as well, hopefully very soon. Dropping her off Wednesday. First child headed to college. Oof.



Pepper gel isn't a great choice because it takes too long for the carrier medium (the gel) to evaporate... the OC doesn't have any effect before that. That's going to be 30s MINIMUM and more like over a minute. A pissed off person can do a LOT of bad things to you in that span of time.
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