Not the king ranch. They have no problem filing their leases.
INIGO MONTOYA said:
Not the king ranch. They have no problem filing their leases.
Deerdude said:txags92 said:
Show me the money on the TPWD side.
Kleburg and Temple families both anti breeder. They struggle now to sell a 160" buck for &15,000 like they have for years.
schmellba99 said:Deerdude said:txags92 said:
Show me the money on the TPWD side.
Kleburg and Temple families both anti breeder. They struggle now to sell a 160" buck for &15,000 like they have for years.
When the economy is as crappy as it is and has been, the first thing cut from expenses are things like a $15,000 white tail deer hunt.
And 160"? For that money you should be getting a shot at 180"+ deer. A 160 is a cull if you are throwing that type of coin around.
Deerdude said:INIGO MONTOYA said:
Not the king ranch. They have no problem filing their leases.
Not what Tio said, but OK.
SGrem said:
https://www.chron.com/news/article/deer-killed-texas-ranch-19491202.php
They killed 249 of his deer......he has lost the fight.
Geeeez, how many people got deer from that facility in Hunt county? Seems like that place needs to be whipped out and burned to the ground…. Crop dust Spray gasoline and throw a match. This one place is probably causing big head aches for a lot of regular hunting ranchesSanAntoneAg said:
Not a map but a listing with county.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/diseases/cwd/positive-cases/listing-cwd-cases-texas.phtml
That is the deer breeding facility that was depopulated by TPWD earlier this year. TDA supported the depop.fullback44 said:Geeeez, how many people got deer from that facility in Hunt county? Seems like that place needs to be whipped out and burned to the ground…. Crop dust Spray gasoline and throw a match. This one place is probably causing big head aches for a lot of regular hunting ranchesSanAntoneAg said:
Not a map but a listing with county.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/diseases/cwd/positive-cases/listing-cwd-cases-texas.phtml
A breeder facility?rab79 said:
Another new county, Kerr this time.
https://texasfarmbureau.org/cwd-found-in-kerr-county-deer-breeding-facility/
I've always heard that axis don't get CWD, but it looks like that's really only based on the fact that it hasn't been detected in one yet, but that they have the same protein that makes other cervids susceptible. SO, if you're really concerned about it, you probably don't want to buy them from a breeder and bring them to you. I'm not sure, but I assume that TPWD would take axis for testing if you bring them one. I hunt in a CWD area, and have to bring all of my WT's to be checked, so I'll ask next time I get a chance.fullback44 said:
So I have a question regarding purchasing hunting / game animals now. Are there any types of hunting animals (not a deer) that you can purchase now without worrying about CWD that is also legal? Like say a pronghorn, or maybe black buck? Just curious.
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Axis deer (Axis axis) occur both in captivity and free-ranging populations in portions of North America, but to-date, no data exist pertaining to the species' susceptibility to CWD. We sequenced the prion protein gene (PRNP) from axis deer. We then compared axis deer PrPC sequences and amino acid polymorphisms to those of CWD susceptible species. A single PRNP allele with no evidence of intraspecies variation was identified in axis deer that indicates axis deer PRNP is most similar to North American elk (Cervus canadensis) PRNP. Therefore, axis deer may be susceptible to CWD. We recommend proactively increasing CWD surveillance for axis deer, particularly where CWD has been detected and axis deer are sympatric with native North American CWD susceptible species.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8043172/
Quote:
Sec.A86.83 INSTITUTE FOR CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE RESEARCH.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Breeder deer," "deer," and "deer breeder" have the meanings assigned to those terms by Section 43.351, Parks and Wildlife Code.
(2) "Chronic wasting disease" means a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy infecting deer and related species and their hybrids.
(3) "Institute" means the Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research.
(b) The Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research is a component of Texas A&M University.
(c) The institute is under the management and direction of the board.
(d) The institute may employ personnel.
(e) The institute may accept a gift or grant from any public or private source for the benefit of the institute.
(f) The institute shall, in partnership with deer breeders:
(1) study the progression of chronic wasting disease;
(2) analyze the genetic profiles of deer infected with chronic wasting disease;
(3) develop:
(A) strategies to prevent chronic wasting disease;
(B) efforts to mitigate transmission of chronic wasting disease; and
(C) treatments for chronic wasting disease; and
(4) evaluate the implementation of strategies, mitigation efforts, and treatments developed under Subdivision (3), including for breeder deer.
(g) The institute may conduct an activity described by Subsection (f) at a location:
(1) for which a deer breeder 's permit was issued, at the deer breeder 's request; or
(2) operated by the institute.
(h) A deer breeder who makes available to the institute a breeder deer for an activity described by Subsection (f) is entitled to compensation from the institute for:
(1) a breeder deer on which the institute directly conducts the activity, regardless of the location of the activity; and
(2) any breeder deer at the deer breeder 's permitted location that the breeder is prohibited from selling, transferring, or releasing because the institute conducts an activity described by Subsection (f) at the location.
(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a deer breeder or the institute may transfer a breeder deer from the location for which the deer breeder 's permit was issued to the institute to conduct an activity described by Subsection (f).
Can we just stop transporting Deer? So dumb!txags92 said:
Looks like the deer breeders are looking for a way to monetize their deer with CWD. Rep. Guillen has filed HB 269 for the upcoming session to create an Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research at A&M. Sounds great, right?
Until you read a bit further and it just sounds like a way to hype breeders as part of the research solution (instead of just the cause behind its spread) and for them to be able to monetize animals they can't sell or transport due to CWD. They also carve out an exception to allow them to transport to the institute any deer they can't otherwise sell, transport, or release. How convenient.
I have been assured by all the best experts that CWD is nothing to worry about and it is just a way for scientists and regulatory types to cash in via research dollars, so I guess the hard working and honorable breeders decided to quit fighting the flow and go ahead and cash in for themselves.
Texas Legislature Online - 89(R) Text for HB 269Quote:
Sec.A86.83 INSTITUTE FOR CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE RESEARCH.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Breeder deer," "deer," and "deer breeder" have the meanings assigned to those terms by Section 43.351, Parks and Wildlife Code.
(2) "Chronic wasting disease" means a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy infecting deer and related species and their hybrids.
(3) "Institute" means the Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research.
(b) The Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research is a component of Texas A&M University.
(c) The institute is under the management and direction of the board.
(d) The institute may employ personnel.
(e) The institute may accept a gift or grant from any public or private source for the benefit of the institute.
(f) The institute shall, in partnership with deer breeders:
(1) study the progression of chronic wasting disease;
(2) analyze the genetic profiles of deer infected with chronic wasting disease;
(3) develop:
(A) strategies to prevent chronic wasting disease;
(B) efforts to mitigate transmission of chronic wasting disease; and
(C) treatments for chronic wasting disease; and
(4) evaluate the implementation of strategies, mitigation efforts, and treatments developed under Subdivision (3), including for breeder deer.
(g) The institute may conduct an activity described by Subsection (f) at a location:
(1) for which a deer breeder 's permit was issued, at the deer breeder 's request; or
(2) operated by the institute.
(h) A deer breeder who makes available to the institute a breeder deer for an activity described by Subsection (f) is entitled to compensation from the institute for:
(1) a breeder deer on which the institute directly conducts the activity, regardless of the location of the activity; and
(2) any breeder deer at the deer breeder 's permitted location that the breeder is prohibited from selling, transferring, or releasing because the institute conducts an activity described by Subsection (f) at the location.
(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a deer breeder or the institute may transfer a breeder deer from the location for which the deer breeder 's permit was issued to the institute to conduct an activity described by Subsection (f).
Would seem to be the logical science based approach wouldn't it?harge57 said:Can we just stop transporting Deer? So dumb!txags92 said:
Looks like the deer breeders are looking for a way to monetize their deer with CWD. Rep. Guillen has filed HB 269 for the upcoming session to create an Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research at A&M. Sounds great, right?
Until you read a bit further and it just sounds like a way to hype breeders as part of the research solution (instead of just the cause behind its spread) and for them to be able to monetize animals they can't sell or transport due to CWD. They also carve out an exception to allow them to transport to the institute any deer they can't otherwise sell, transport, or release. How convenient.
I have been assured by all the best experts that CWD is nothing to worry about and it is just a way for scientists and regulatory types to cash in via research dollars, so I guess the hard working and honorable breeders decided to quit fighting the flow and go ahead and cash in for themselves.
Texas Legislature Online - 89(R) Text for HB 269Quote:
Sec.A86.83 INSTITUTE FOR CHRONIC WASTING DISEASE RESEARCH.
(a) In this section:
(1) "Breeder deer," "deer," and "deer breeder" have the meanings assigned to those terms by Section 43.351, Parks and Wildlife Code.
(2) "Chronic wasting disease" means a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy infecting deer and related species and their hybrids.
(3) "Institute" means the Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research.
(b) The Institute for Chronic Wasting Disease Research is a component of Texas A&M University.
(c) The institute is under the management and direction of the board.
(d) The institute may employ personnel.
(e) The institute may accept a gift or grant from any public or private source for the benefit of the institute.
(f) The institute shall, in partnership with deer breeders:
(1) study the progression of chronic wasting disease;
(2) analyze the genetic profiles of deer infected with chronic wasting disease;
(3) develop:
(A) strategies to prevent chronic wasting disease;
(B) efforts to mitigate transmission of chronic wasting disease; and
(C) treatments for chronic wasting disease; and
(4) evaluate the implementation of strategies, mitigation efforts, and treatments developed under Subdivision (3), including for breeder deer.
(g) The institute may conduct an activity described by Subsection (f) at a location:
(1) for which a deer breeder 's permit was issued, at the deer breeder 's request; or
(2) operated by the institute.
(h) A deer breeder who makes available to the institute a breeder deer for an activity described by Subsection (f) is entitled to compensation from the institute for:
(1) a breeder deer on which the institute directly conducts the activity, regardless of the location of the activity; and
(2) any breeder deer at the deer breeder 's permitted location that the breeder is prohibited from selling, transferring, or releasing because the institute conducts an activity described by Subsection (f) at the location.
(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a deer breeder or the institute may transfer a breeder deer from the location for which the deer breeder 's permit was issued to the institute to conduct an activity described by Subsection (f).
Well, TPWD's first plan for how to address CWD detections certainly went out the window when it looked like it might affect the deer breeders negatively.jagsdad said:
It appears to me that logic and science go by the wayside when money is to be made, even if it means screwing over everyone and everything. I guess nothing is sacred anymore.
This x 1,000harge57 said:
Can we just stop transporting Deer? So dumb!