The title is the explanation. But the map is not the territory.

https://www.wsj.com/science/environment/how-one-texas-county-is-fighting-43-000-monkeys-283fa869

Wasn't paywalled from where I clicked. Drudge.

A company is trying to set up a huge monkey breeding facility for research purposes. Some folks aren't happy about retiring with their ranchettes next to a monkey breeding facility.

I've been aware of this one for a few weeks after a client called and gave me the info. Lots of folks are pissed and fighting this. Will be a zoning and property rights issue.

FIDO*98* said:

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Linking to paywall articles should get a 48hr ban on TexAgs

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Pays for stars but not WSJ?

Reminds me of The State skit show on MTV from the 90s. Pardon the tiktok link, can't find this on youtube.

https://www.tiktok.com/@tiktokexpat/video/7299533591044967726

TX_COWDOC said:

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I've been aware of this one for a few weeks after a client called and gave me the info. Lots of folks are pissed and fighting this. Will be a zoning and property rights issue.

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It's been kept really hush-hush. Or was until recently anway. I first heard about it maybe 4-6 weeks ago, but I'm not in the immediate vicinity and sometimes news from the boonies travels slow.

Land is in a fairly remote part of the county, but it's right next to one of the sections of the San Bernard NWR and in some pretty low lying area that is prone to flooding. A lot of work would need to be done, which would likely have some watershed impacts.

Having done some work on one of the pharmaceutical testing facilities near Corpus, I can tell you that treating waste produced by monkeys is different than human waste - more difficult, more prone to issues developing in the treatment process. Plus, monkeys inevitably escape and like any other non-native species, they impact the local ecosystem. Not sure how much they would really impact here, but that is what is always said about invasive species being introduced and it usually turns out bad.

FIDO*98* said:

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Linking to paywall articles should get a 48hr ban on TexAgs

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Here you go, not hard to find one that isn't behind a paywall

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/monkey-business-furious-neighbors-slam-plans-for-research-center-housing-43-000-primates-next-to-their-texas-properties/ar-AA1mn6q8

Al Bula said:

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Reminds me of The State skit show on MTV from the 90s. Pardon the tiktok link, can't find this on youtube.

https://www.tiktok.com/@tiktokexpat/video/7299533591044967726

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Knew this was monkey torture without clicking the link

BrazosDog02 said:

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Errbody want their meds, health products, and makeup but no one wants the ugly things that come with it in their backyard.

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So true.

This impacts me very little. I couldn't help but ponder it as if it did.

It might be worse than having a prison in your backyard. 45K monkey's could potentially create a Jumanji type scenario in your house if something goes wrong. If a prisoner escapes, it's a national manhunt and lockdown. If a dozen primate escapes, probably not the same.

I image the noise and smell would make a zoo seem tame.

Plenty of prisons around here too.

Ogre09 said:

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Plenty of prisons around here too.

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Yup. I have 5 prisons within 3 miles of my house. Never had an issue. The odd prisoner escapes on rare occasions, but generally the manhunts are short lived and have never been anything that bothered our daily life outside of random conversation.

BrazosDog02 said:

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Errbody want their meds, health products, and makeup but no one wants the ugly things that come with it in their backyard.

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Ehh, we have enough stuff here that nobody wants in their back yards, but everybody loves the fact that they exist with the massive petrochemical industry, strategic oil reserve and the plethora of prisons.

Monkeys can go somewhere else and be somebody else's problem.

I have a similar experience to you and agree. It's wild. There are a lot of the facilities dotted across the map, all are generally generic buildings with generic names. When the animal rights people figure out one of them they make a raucous for a while. It's u fortunate that these places exist but God bless those that work there. It's why I can carry my pastey gringo ass to Walmart and get 50SPF sunscreen and slather it on with reckless abandon knowing that someone, somewhere, tested it and determined that It wont harm me.

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TX_COWDOC said:

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I've been aware of this one for a few weeks after a client called and gave me the info. Lots of folks are pissed and fighting this. Will be a zoning and property rights issue.

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It's been kept really hush-hush. Or was until recently anway. I first heard about it maybe 4-6 weeks ago, but I'm not in the immediate vicinity and sometimes news from the boonies travels slow.

Land is in a fairly remote part of the county, but it's right next to one of the sections of the San Bernard NWR and in some pretty low lying area that is prone to flooding. A lot of work would need to be done, which would likely have some watershed impacts.

Having done some work on one of the pharmaceutical testing facilities near Corpus, I can tell you that treating waste produced by monkeys is different than human waste - more difficult, more prone to issues developing in the treatment process. Plus, monkeys inevitably escape and like any other non-native species, they impact the local ecosystem. Not sure how much they would really impact here, but that is what is always said about invasive species being introduced and it usually turns out bad.

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I have to wonder how this fits into state rules on confined animal feeding operations? I've written waste utilization plans for everything from Houston effluent scrapings to chickens and dairies, but would it sure be a twist if they operate independently in their waste management.

I think we can all agree that if one of the monkeys did escape, some country boy in that area would have it on its wall within the hour.

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Ogre09 said:

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Plenty of prisons around here too.

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Yup. I have 5 prisons within 3 miles of my house. Never had an issue. The odd prisoner escapes on rare occasions, but generally the manhunts are short lived and have never been anything that bothered our daily life outside of random conversation.

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I figure if I ever go to prison and have the chance to break out of prison, being anywhere within 1000 miles of said prison is the last place I want to hang out.

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schmellba99 said:

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TX_COWDOC said:

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I've been aware of this one for a few weeks after a client called and gave me the info. Lots of folks are pissed and fighting this. Will be a zoning and property rights issue.

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It's been kept really hush-hush. Or was until recently anway. I first heard about it maybe 4-6 weeks ago, but I'm not in the immediate vicinity and sometimes news from the boonies travels slow.

Land is in a fairly remote part of the county, but it's right next to one of the sections of the San Bernard NWR and in some pretty low lying area that is prone to flooding. A lot of work would need to be done, which would likely have some watershed impacts.

Having done some work on one of the pharmaceutical testing facilities near Corpus, I can tell you that treating waste produced by monkeys is different than human waste - more difficult, more prone to issues developing in the treatment process. Plus, monkeys inevitably escape and like any other non-native species, they impact the local ecosystem. Not sure how much they would really impact here, but that is what is always said about invasive species being introduced and it usually turns out bad.

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I have to wonder how this fits into state rules on confined animal feeding operations? I've written waste utilization plans for everything from Houston effluent scrapings to chickens and dairies, but would it sure be a twist if they operate independently in their waste management.

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The facility I revamped had their own potable water treatment system and their own solids waste processing. It was very similar to a normal wastewater treatment plant (headworks, aeration, clarifier, solids handling), but some of the equipment was modified to deal with monkey poo versus human poo and a lot of the flocculating polymers were different. Apparently monkey poo is far more difficult to flocculate and separate from the water than normal human poo is, never would have known that otherwise.

Water discharge still had to meet state regs for wastewater plant discharge. Solids were dried out in large lined drying beds, then would be hauled to a landfill like any other wastewater disposal.

BrazosDog02 said:

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schmellba99 said:

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Ogre09 said:

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Plenty of prisons around here too.

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Yup. I have 5 prisons within 3 miles of my house. Never had an issue. The odd prisoner escapes on rare occasions, but generally the manhunts are short lived and have never been anything that bothered our daily life outside of random conversation.

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I figure if I ever go to prison and have the chance to break out of prison, being anywhere within 1000 miles of said prison is the last place I want to hang out.

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It's hard to travel 1000 miles quickly on foot.

Most of the time they are pretty predictable and the recapture short lived. Every so often you get one that makes the LEO's work. Last one not too long ago the guy made it a couple of days, but eventually was found in an abandoned house in the town close to the prison.

Maaaannn, I had a buddy in school who worked at the primate research place outside Bastrop back in the day. He had some wild stories about the stuff chimps would get up to.

Couldn't resist:

Not sure about Nolin, but I bet Nolan would be pissed

I did a semester working at UTMB in the Animal Research department. Got to change/clean rodent cages, spray down the dog kennels, some help in the pig and sheep area, and did a rotation with the vets.

Was involved in putting down a dog or 2, some pig surgeries, and some other interesting stuff. And rats that are addicted to cocaine drink a lot of water, and will definitely choose the white nose powder over food.

Got to help kill off some of the pigeons. Put them in a sealed box and pump in CO2, and watch them arch back and die.