O.G. said:

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rab79 said:

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Todd 02 said:

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Their goal is to prohibit subjects' access to guns.

Our goal:



https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-introduces-abolish-atf-act

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If you are in CD23 vote for Brandon Herrera, if not send money and buy a let's go Brandon T-shirt

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I donated the second that I knew he was running.

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Got my t-shirt from Bunker Branding!

agsalaska said:

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JoeAggie1010 said:

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Typical response from an agency representative. Way to look out. What other mom & pop shop do your ilk want to take down next?

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Man that is awesome. You even got the work 'ilk' in.

I would normally just leave threads like this where ignorance is preferred, but the laughs you and Naveronski keep bringing me have me coming back.

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Ok, refute his point then? And then the one above it?

I understand that sone ATF agents, maybe like yourself, have good intentions, but the overall department and this leafing it, do not.

jpb1999 said:

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agsalaska said:

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JoeAggie1010 said:

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Typical response from an agency representative. Way to look out. What other mom & pop shop do your ilk want to take down next?

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Man that is awesome. You even got the work 'ilk' in.

I would normally just leave threads like this where ignorance is preferred, but the laughs you and Naveronski keep bringing me have me coming back.

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Ok, refute his point then? And then the one above it?

I understand that sone ATF agents, maybe like yourself, have good intentions, but the overall department and this leafing it, do not.

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Refute what point? He didn't make a pojnt that has anything at all to do with the OP or any of my comments. He just went on some rant about the NFA and 'infringed and how I need to 'go back to my agency'. He has no real desire to actually have a discussion about the OP. He just wants to throw up a bunch of talking points. If this thread was about 'repeal the NFA' than OK. It is about the ATF cracking down on FFLs. And I provided a little, just a little, insight into the industry that doesn't completely fit into the narrative and instead of debating that its just attack attack!! I am in the dumb dumb room.

But let me help you. You can disagree with the NFA and still understand that the OP and the narrative is overblown. I know that's hard to imagine. And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast. I am not an ATF agent. That's just a childish attempt to insult someone that really just makes the person saying it look like a dumbass.

Coog97 said:

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O.G. said:

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rab79 said:

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Todd 02 said:

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Their goal is to prohibit subjects' access to guns.

Our goal:



https://gaetz.house.gov/media/press-releases/congressman-matt-gaetz-introduces-abolish-atf-act

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If you are in CD23 vote for Brandon Herrera, if not send money and buy a let's go Brandon T-shirt

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I donated the second that I knew he was running.

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Got my t-shirt from Bunker Branding!

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Same. Got one for my oldest son also.

agsalaska said:

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And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast.

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Key word there: "was".

Theres a link in this thread with one current example, I personally know an active FFL who said his experience recently was similar, and the last thread had a couple of current data points as well that all indicated that the current ATF enforcement actions go above and beyond how the agency has dealt with FFL issues in the past.

If it was just a clickbait article, I could understand your attitude. But Its a little odd you refuse to consider relevant info from multiple current FFLs just because of your past experiences from when you had one years ago. IMO.

BenderRodriguez said:

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agsalaska said:

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And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast.

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Key word there: "was".

Theres a link in this thread with one current example, I personally know an active FFL who said his experience recently was similar, and the last thread had a couple of current data points as well that all indicated that the current ATF enforcement actions go above and beyond how the agency has dealt with FFL issues in the past.

If it was just a clickbait article, I could understand your attitude. But Its a little odd you refuse to consider relevant info from multiple current FFLs just because of your past experiences from when you had one years ago. IMO.

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It is a clickbait article. The one about Tom Harris in Lewisville? Total clickbait. That dude is full of **** and if you watch closely you will see why. For the record I bought the gun I carried today from his wife.

I get your point that it has been seven years since I left the industry, but I still talk to a lot of people in it. There were also a couple of FFLs on the last thread that had similar experiences. They are not taking licenses for clerical errors. They are just not.

That all being said, read what I actually wrote. I said exactly what you are saying. There is zero doubt they are being tougher to deal with. And it is coming from the administration. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is that they are doing something they haven't done before. Anyone who believes this is new to the industry. This has happened several times in the last 25 years.

It is not hard to satisfy the ATF. Argue all you want about the merits of the law on a different thread. If you are doing what you are supposed to under the law it is easy.

Last, about the video, if you pay attention it is pretty easy to see. They tell a story to fit your narrative that they want you to believe. And you believe it without really paying attention to the details. Same thing they do for climate change or any other hot button issue. ANd they are very good at it.

FATF and their bull**** rules. Would like to post my true thoughts on that agency but they'd probably shoot my dog that I don't own within an hour of me hitting submit.

agsalaska said:

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jpb1999 said:

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agsalaska said:

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JoeAggie1010 said:

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Typical response from an agency representative. Way to look out. What other mom & pop shop do your ilk want to take down next?

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Man that is awesome. You even got the work 'ilk' in.

I would normally just leave threads like this where ignorance is preferred, but the laughs you and Naveronski keep bringing me have me coming back.

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Ok, refute his point then? And then the one above it?

I understand that sone ATF agents, maybe like yourself, have good intentions, but the overall department and this leafing it, do not.

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Refute what point? He didn't make a pojnt that has anything at all to do with the OP or any of my comments. He just went on some rant about the NFA and 'infringed and how I need to 'go back to my agency'. He has no real desire to actually have a discussion about the OP. He just wants to throw up a bunch of talking points. If this thread was about 'repeal the NFA' than OK. It is about the ATF cracking down on FFLs. And I provided a little, just a little, insight into the industry that doesn't completely fit into the narrative and instead of debating that its just attack attack!! I am in the dumb dumb room.

But let me help you. You can disagree with the NFA and still understand that the OP and the narrative is overblown. I know that's hard to imagine. And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast. I am not an ATF agent. That's just a childish attempt to insult someone that really just makes the person saying it look like a dumbass.

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This is bad bull. You think we should adhere to an unconstitutional law and agency. Your smugness is apparent, your tone is condescending believing we owe everything to the government. You and your "ilk" are what is wrong with this country.

JoeAggie1010 said:

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agsalaska said:

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jpb1999 said:

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agsalaska said:

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JoeAggie1010 said:

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Typical response from an agency representative. Way to look out. What other mom & pop shop do your ilk want to take down next?

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Man that is awesome. You even got the work 'ilk' in.

I would normally just leave threads like this where ignorance is preferred, but the laughs you and Naveronski keep bringing me have me coming back.

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Ok, refute his point then? And then the one above it?

I understand that sone ATF agents, maybe like yourself, have good intentions, but the overall department and this leafing it, do not.

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Refute what point? He didn't make a pojnt that has anything at all to do with the OP or any of my comments. He just went on some rant about the NFA and 'infringed and how I need to 'go back to my agency'. He has no real desire to actually have a discussion about the OP. He just wants to throw up a bunch of talking points. If this thread was about 'repeal the NFA' than OK. It is about the ATF cracking down on FFLs. And I provided a little, just a little, insight into the industry that doesn't completely fit into the narrative and instead of debating that its just attack attack!! I am in the dumb dumb room.

But let me help you. You can disagree with the NFA and still understand that the OP and the narrative is overblown. I know that's hard to imagine. And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast. I am not an ATF agent. That's just a childish attempt to insult someone that really just makes the person saying it look like a dumbass.

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This is bad bull. You think we should adhere to an unconstitutional law and agency. Your smugness is apparent, your tone is condescending believing we owe everything to the government. You and your "ilk" are what is wrong with this country.

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Haha. What in the world are you talking about.

Get a hold of yourself my man.

Awesome post. Thanks

agsalaska said:

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I am not a defender of the ATF, though I worked with them for 16 years and am very aware of their processes. Believe me when I say I would be first in line to abolish the ATF. And I am the one calling out the idiots who want bill of sales on private gun sales.

But this article is one of a thousand examples of partisanship based very loosely on the truth, and that general problem has us on a bad path.

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Tell us how you aren't using confirmation bias...

JoeAggie1010 said:

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agsalaska said:

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I am not a defender of the ATF, though I worked with them for 16 years and am very aware of their processes. Believe me when I say I would be first in line to abolish the ATF. And I am the one calling out the idiots who want bill of sales on private gun sales.

But this article is one of a thousand examples of partisanship based very loosely on the truth, and that general problem has us on a bad path.

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Tell us how you aren't using confirmation bias...

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I worked with them as an FFL. Just like every other FFL in the country.

El Chupacabra said:

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FATF and their bull**** rules. Would like to post my true thoughts on that agency but they'd probably shoot my dog that I don't own within an hour of me hitting submit.

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Man I agree. I hate the ATF. And I would not want to be on their side when this thing breaks.

agsalaska said:

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BenderRodriguez said:

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agsalaska said:

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And I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast.

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Key word there: "was".

Theres a link in this thread with one current example, I personally know an active FFL who said his experience recently was similar, and the last thread had a couple of current data points as well that all indicated that the current ATF enforcement actions go above and beyond how the agency has dealt with FFL issues in the past.

If it was just a clickbait article, I could understand your attitude. But Its a little odd you refuse to consider relevant info from multiple current FFLs just because of your past experiences from when you had one years ago. IMO.

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It is a clickbait article. The one about Tom Harris in Lewisville? Total clickbait. That dude is full of **** and if you watch closely you will see why. For the record I bought the gun I carried today from his wife.

I get your point that it has been seven years since I left the industry, but I still talk to a lot of people in it. There were also a couple of FFLs on the last thread that had similar experiences. They are not taking licenses for clerical errors. They are just not.

That all being said, read what I actually wrote. I said exactly what you are saying. There is zero doubt they are being tougher to deal with. And it is coming from the administration. I agree with that. What I don't agree with is that they are doing something they haven't done before. Anyone who believes this is new to the industry. This has happened several times in the last 25 years.

It is not hard to satisfy the ATF. Argue all you want about the merits of the law on a different thread. If you are doing what you are supposed to under the law it is easy.

Last, about the video, if you pay attention it is pretty easy to see. They tell a story to fit your narrative that they want you to believe. And you believe it without really paying attention to the details. Same thing they do for climate change or any other hot button issue. ANd they are very good at it.

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Its funny you say it is not hard to satisfy the AFT. I've seen first hand how guys are getting stonewalled on efforts to satisfy them. This administration has made it damn near impossible to work things out, and I fully believe it is by design. Death by a thousand cuts. Go after ammo, FFLs, gun shows, braces, binary triggers, etc.

agsalaska said:

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El Chupacabra said:

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FATF and their bull**** rules. Would like to post my true thoughts on that agency but they'd probably shoot my dog that I don't own within an hour of me hitting submit.

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Man I agree. I hate the ATF. And I would not want to be on their side when this thing breaks.

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You are so FOS.

agsalaska said:

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I was an FFL for 16 years and ran dozens of FFLs across the West Coast.

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When/where?