Howdy Dammit said:

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CS78 said:

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ldg397 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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Unfortunately no. Only way this ever changes is if the government removes ag exemption.

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So you raise the taxes to the point that Ag producers will be forced to sell?

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I think he means ending an exemption for people that aren't in actual ag production and do the bare minimum for tax purposes only. Or increase the minimum requirement or more thorough verification would be a better way to put it.

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My thoughts too. Ag exemption allows people to throw a couple cows on it and let it ride forever. It cost little to nothing to just hold onto it and pass it down. Remove that and people will either be forced to produce or sell. The market would be flooded with properties and prices would fall heavily.

Not saying Id be a fan but it would bring the value of the land down to what it is capable of producing.

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This exactly. You'd see land fall to its exact worth. I'm all for it. It's insane that people living on massive ranches pay less in property tax than me on my 0.5 acre parcel in suburbia.

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They aren't paying less taxes, if they have structures on the property they aren't ag exempt; they are paying the same as everyone else in that county with house and structures

skinny2001 said:

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I disagree. I think Property taxes are an effective way and an ancient way for a government to help pay for services helping that land

Income tax is theft and a form of slavery.

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Tell me what services I get from my property taxes that I don't pay for with every other additional tax that is levied upon me with every purchase, dollar I earn, fee assessed, etc.

Property taxes are a mechanism that was designed to keep land concentrated in the hands of the royalty and a mechanism that could be used to confiscate land when it was politically expedient to do so. There is absolutely nothing free about the state being able to come in and confiscate your property - even after you have fully paid the mortgage off - because they decided to arbitrarily tax you out of ownership.

We rent land in Texas from the state, and as long as we are up to date on that rent, the state says we have some property rights. But when that rent isn't paid - you own nothing.

Income tax is 100% theft. Social Security is 100% theft.

At least with a consumption tax I have the relative power of determining what my tax burden is through either being frivilous with my money or conservative with my money spent. And the latter is what terrifies the government - that people may decide to hold onto things longer than they do now because there would be an incentive to do so, and we just can't have that nonsense - the government (all levels) want people in perpetual revolving debt because it is good for business for them.

You absolutely do pay income taxes on the net profit produced by the land while you own it…..be it crops, cattle, O&G, wind royalties etc….to summarize again:

- taxes on the income earned to buy it
- taxes on its productive net profit
- taxes on gain when you sell it

- and then they tax you for just owning it. It's a confiscatory tax on folks regardless of their earned income to pay the tax.

Howdy Dammit said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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CS78 said:

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ldg397 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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Unfortunately no. Only way this ever changes is if the government removes ag exemption.

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So you raise the taxes to the point that Ag producers will be forced to sell?

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I think he means ending an exemption for people that aren't in actual ag production and do the bare minimum for tax purposes only. Or increase the minimum requirement or more thorough verification would be a better way to put it.

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My thoughts too. Ag exemption allows people to throw a couple cows on it and let it ride forever. It cost little to nothing to just hold onto it and pass it down. Remove that and people will either be forced to produce or sell. The market would be flooded with properties and prices would fall heavily.

Not saying Id be a fan but it would bring the value of the land down to what it is capable of producing.

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This exactly. You'd see land fall to its exact worth. I'm all for it. It's insane that people living on massive ranches pay less in property tax than me on my 0.5 acre parcel in suburbia.

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They aren't paying less taxes, if they have structures on the property they aren't ag exempt; they are paying the same as everyone else in that county with house and structures

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But can pay absolutely nothing on 3 million dollars worth of land around the structure. If we are going to have property tax, you should be taxed on property. But I am all for getting rid of property tax all together.

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That's an easy way to have everyone starve to death and make Texas a massive 10-20 ranchette state.

Our rancher pays a whopping $4.67/acre this year. If he had to pay the mortgage on it he wouldn't make any money ranching cows and he'd give it up. If we had to pay 2.5+ or - percent in property taxes we'd have to sell and cut up the place for more money.

Getting rid of ag exempt is insane.

If they're paying ag valuation property tax on the land and using it within the guidelines of ag exempt, why is it insane they pay that/why do you care? We live on land in rural East Tx, it's been in the family since 1868. We run cows and cut hay, but because of the size it's never been a big herd. No oil, no generational wealth, no heirlooms other than a pie cabinet and a couple guns. The land is the family heirloom, every generation has made sacrifices to keep it in one piece. I have zero faith any level of government would improve if we were taxed at regular rates, it would be spent in the more populated parts of the county. In 34 years I've never called 911, had the VFD put out a fire, and the county only put gravel on the road when we split the cost with them. The money wasted in taxes every year is money I wouldn't be able to spend on improving the land, it would only serve to finally break me or my kids into selling the place.

HarleySpoon said:

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The other side of the equation is for the value of the ag produced to increase.

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This. Don't be fooled by recent price "increases"... input costs have drastically outpaced the official CPI inflation rate (by orders of magnitude in some cases, like land prices), while cattle prices are still lagging well below inflation.

Yesterday said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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BQ_90 said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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CS78 said:

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ldg397 said:

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Howdy Dammit said:

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Unfortunately no. Only way this ever changes is if the government removes ag exemption.

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So you raise the taxes to the point that Ag producers will be forced to sell?

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I think he means ending an exemption for people that aren't in actual ag production and do the bare minimum for tax purposes only. Or increase the minimum requirement or more thorough verification would be a better way to put it.

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My thoughts too. Ag exemption allows people to throw a couple cows on it and let it ride forever. It cost little to nothing to just hold onto it and pass it down. Remove that and people will either be forced to produce or sell. The market would be flooded with properties and prices would fall heavily.

Not saying Id be a fan but it would bring the value of the land down to what it is capable of producing.

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This exactly. You'd see land fall to its exact worth. I'm all for it. It's insane that people living on massive ranches pay less in property tax than me on my 0.5 acre parcel in suburbia.

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They aren't paying less taxes, if they have structures on the property they aren't ag exempt; they are paying the same as everyone else in that county with house and structures

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But can pay absolutely nothing on 3 million dollars worth of land around the structure. If we are going to have property tax, you should be taxed on property. But I am all for getting rid of property tax all together.

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That's an easy way to have everyone starve to death and make Texas a massive 10-20 ranchette state.

Our rancher pays a whopping $4.67/acre this year. If he had to pay the mortgage on it he wouldn't make any money ranching cows and he'd give it up. If we had to pay 2.5+ or - percent in property taxes we'd have to sell and cut up the place for more money.

Getting rid of ag exempt is insane.

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It's actually not. Keeping it is insane. What happens when these 5MM dollar ranches get inherited? They are chopped up immediately for the payout. Hill country ranches are worth 5k an acres today. It's artificial. No ag exemption means 5k an acres is now 500 an acre. Land should be worth what it is to a buyer. I think we can all agree property tax is unrealized gains theft. But when I see a 50MM dollar tract on 183 in Austin with a bee hive on it, I just shake my head.

It's easy to spot the city boys that don't know the first thing about ranching. Those steaks y'all cook just magically appear at the grocery store.

Howdy Dammit said:

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Jbob04 said:

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It's easy to spot the city boys that don't know the first thing about ranching. Those steaks y'all cook just magically appear at the grocery store.

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Spotted the government subsidy, anti capitalism, boy

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Know how I know you don't know squat about ranching?

Thunderstormr said:

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AgDad121619 said:

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Alabama and Arkansas still have great places available at $1500-$3000 an acre. Sportsman's paradise in beautiful spots

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And you'd have to live in Arkansas or Alabama? I'll pass thank you. Dodge trucks have a great diesel engine and may cost a little less. But you still have to drive and ride in a Dodge truck. I'll keep my Ford Super Duty thank you.

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Thread title - "any land in the US still sold for ag value?" - maybe check your reading comprehension