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I hauled hay from before sunrise until after sunset in N Central Texas through the entire summer of 1980. That summer there were more consecutive 100 degree days ever recorded. 3 years prior we had a major ice storm on Halloween. Climate changes.

To think that man has any control over climate is an abomination to God and is an affront to any sane human being.

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I hauled hay from before sunrise until after sunset in N Central Texas through the entire summer of 1980. That summer there were more consecutive 100 degree days ever recorded. 3 years prior we had a major ice storm on Halloween. Climate changes.

To think that man has any control over climate is an abomination to God and is an affront to any sane human being.

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Man may not have control but it's absolutely ludicrous to think we don't have an impact. We can argue about the extent of that impact and what we can or cannot realistically do to mitigate that impact.

Does anybody think it was good for the environment overall, let alone the people inhabiting it, to return to the days of the Industrial Revolution where coal plants just belched forth clouds of black smoke to such an extent it turned white stone buildings in London gray? Or caused moths to adapt their coloration? And certainly not the unregulated dumping of all manner of waste into our waterways?

I don't remotely buy into all this green revolution nonsense and any person who rails against climate change and clean energy without being on board with nuclear power is fundamentally unserious. And the extent that the USA, Canada, and the UK/EU countries can impact anything without reining in China, India, and the emerging economies in South America and Sub-Saharan Africa is minimal- without addressing what's going on in these other parts of the world there's not much the USA can do to impact global emissions.

But the idea that we can't do better about limiting pollution or utilizing regenerative agriculture to mitigate our impacts is just lazy.

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I hauled hay from before sunrise until after sunset in N Central Texas through the entire summer of 1980. That summer there were more consecutive 100 degree days ever recorded. 3 years prior we had a major ice storm on Halloween. Climate changes.

To think that man has any control over climate is an abomination to God and is an affront to any sane human being.

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Man may not have control but it's absolutely ludicrous to think we don't have an impact. We can argue about the extent of that impact and what we can or cannot realistically do to mitigate that impact.

Does anybody think it was good for the environment overall, let alone the people inhabiting it, to return to the days of the Industrial Revolution where coal plants just belched forth clouds of black smoke to such an extent it turned white stone buildings in London gray? Or caused moths to adapt their coloration? And certainly not the unregulated dumping of all manner of waste into our waterways?

I don't remotely buy into all this green revolution nonsense and any person who rails against climate change and clean energy without being on board with nuclear power is fundamentally unserious. And the extent that the USA, Canada, and the UK/EU countries can impact anything without reining in China, India, and the emerging economies in South America and Sub-Saharan Africa is minimal- without addressing what's going on in these other parts of the world there's not much the USA can do to impact global emissions.

But the idea that we can't do better about limiting pollution or utilizing regenerative agriculture to mitigate our impacts is just lazy.

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PoLlutIoN is bad. We all agree. Less is better.

It ain't changing the world's climate. God does that
Money & power is driving this climate change drivel. Fossil fuel industry is relatively established so the money distribution has mostly been established. The green stuff not so much. Lots of "new players" in the green stuff getting filthy rich.

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Money & power is driving this climate change drivel. Fossil fuel industry is relatively established so the money distribution has mostly been established. The green stuff not so much. Lots of "new players" in the green stuff getting filthy rich.

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It ain't changing the world's climate. God does that

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Logical fallacy used: "Appeal to Faith".
I'm a Christian, but it is ridiculous to think we can't impact the Earth on a large scale & flies in the face of available evidence.
What is debatable is how much of the climate change we are driving & if it is a bad thing. (Our Fossil fuels could be keeping the planet from experiencing another Ice Age)

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Money & power is driving this climate change drivel. Fossil fuel industry is relatively established so the money distribution has mostly been established. The green stuff not so much. Lots of "new players" in the green stuff getting filthy rich.

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Money & power are exploiting climate change to enrich themselves, 100% Agree.
Climate change can be real as well, the two facts are not mutually exclusive.
Another problem is scientists get grant money for finding examples of Climate Change from our beloved Government officials who are profiteering on the side through business dealings in Green Energy.

Highly recommend the book "Apocalypse Never" about Climate Change. A realistic approach that is neither head in the sand denial or chicken little in terror about the matter.

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It is literally holodomor 2.0. Forced, mass, starvation.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor

Every bit as evil and nefarious as Stalin and the Bolsheviks.

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