How long after passing the written test do I have to take the shooting test? I took the class online and now need to find a place to take the shooting test. Just wondering how much time I have to get it scheduled/passed.

Not sure, but I wouldn't sweat it. A guy who literally got yelled at by the instructor for sweeping a loaded gun across people and hitting targets in other lanes passed the CHL class I took years ago. I'd imagine it's a lot more lenient now.

The LTC 100/101 certificates are valid for 2 years.

I'm still irked that I shot a 249/250. Pulled one friggin shot at the 15 yard range and hit the 9 ring.

aTm2004 said:

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Not sure, but I wouldn't sweat it. A guy who literally got yelled at by the instructor for sweeping a loaded gun across people and hitting targets in other lanes passed the CHL class I took years ago. I'd imagine it's a lot more lenient now.

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My instructor gave me a hard time, because he couldn't count 25 holes (or how ever many shots it was supposed to be) on my paper. I told him- when you put them all in the 10 ring, it's just one big hole. He smiled knowingly as he signed my completion form.

I shot a 247 shooting left handed since my right shoulder was injured.

Anyone can pass the shooting test.

schmellba99 said:

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I'm still irked that I shot a 249/250. Pulled one friggin shot at the 15 yard range and hit the 9 ring.

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the 9 is still 5 points, right?

schmellba99 said:

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I'm still irked that I shot a 249/250. Pulled one friggin shot at the 15 yard range and hit the 9 ring.

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Literally did the exact same thing, and it still haunts me.

The shooting test is one of the easiest things I've ever done . . . and several people in my class had to take it multiple times. I think about that all the time when I see people with guns.

Once we hit a passing grade, the instructor stopped us and passed everyone (I.e. didn't get a chance to try to get the 250).

Yes. And so is the 8.

My wife took her class several years ago in a Ladies only class from Charles Cotton (current NRA president.) After shooting at 3 and 7 yards, he looked at her target with one tight ragged hole in the middle and said, "you already passed". He did let her shoot at 15 though/

jrb2019 said:

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Yes. And so is the 8.

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trying to understand how they got to 249 by hitting the 9. Seems like that would take hitting the 7

The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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I get the sentiment, but I disagree.

Govt standards will never be good, fair or useful. If theres going to be a test (and there shouldnt be one), it should be insanely easy, like it is now.

Becoming an actual competent human with a handgun is on the individual.

BenderRodriguez said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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I get the sentiment, but I disagree.

Govt standards will never be good, fair or useful. If theres going to be a test (and there shouldnt be one), it should be insanely easy, like it is now.

Becoming an actual competent human with a handgun is on the individual.

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Fair point here.

BenderRodriguez said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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I get the sentiment, but I disagree.

Govt standards will never be good, fair or useful. If theres going to be a test (and there shouldnt be one), it should be insanely easy, like it is now.

Becoming an actual competent human with a handgun is on the individual.

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So how do we compel them to be competent?
I and my family are out in public with these people.

JFABNRGR said:

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I and my family are out in public with these people.

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Brother, you and your family (and me and my family) are on the road with people texting and driving every day. They kill people every day, despite laws/public service announcements/common dang sense.

The chance of being hurt by a law abiding citizen carrying a gun, competently or not, are so minimal as to be not worth worrying about.

Darn sure isn't any law or mandate that will make people competent. You're either willing to put the time in yourself, or you're not.

Eta: on a personal level you could try making fun of every chl holder you know who isnt shooting competitions and taking classes (if you're doing more than the bare minimum yourself). If their "training" starts and ends with the state mandated hours and telling people "ive been shooting for 20 years!"….yeah….those guys arent as good as they think they are. Mockery among friends is always good for personal development. ;-)

Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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An instructor explained this to me that it's more about being as accurate as possible with multiple rounds fired quickly at various distances to minimize the possibility of collateral injuries in a real-world scenario.

ETA: Many ranges have specific restrictions on draw firing for safety reasons.

JFABNRGR said:

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BenderRodriguez said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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I get the sentiment, but I disagree.

Govt standards will never be good, fair or useful. If theres going to be a test (and there shouldnt be one), it should be insanely easy, like it is now.

Becoming an actual competent human with a handgun is on the individual.

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So how do we compel them to be competent?
I and my family are out in public with these people.

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You've been out in public with those people since 1995. Have they shot you yet? You'll be even more horrified to learn people can carry a gun in TX now with no license or required training. We haven't had a rash of negligent discharges in public over the last 27 years.

Ryan the Temp said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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An instructor explained this to me that it's more about being as accurate as possible with multiple rounds fired quickly at various distances to minimize the possibility of collateral injuries in a real-world scenario.

ETA: Many ranges have specific restrictions on draw firing for safety reasons.

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But the shots aren't fired quickly during the LTC test. These are all from the ready. Every one of those is 2-3 seconds between shots. Real world scenario, you'd likely be dead if you shot that slowly. That 1 shot, in 2 seconds, drawn from concealment would still be slow but a better test of a "real--world scenario"

Course of Fire:
3 yard line - 20 shots:

• 1 shot in 2 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:

• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once
• 1 shot in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 4 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:

• 2 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 9 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

schmellba99 said:

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I'm still irked that I shot a 249/250. Pulled one friggin shot at the 15 yard range and hit the 9 ring.

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I scored 250/250 with a Ruger LCP.



But seriously, that is frustrating.

I took an excellent low light class a few years ago. We worked with several ways of using a flashlight as it got dark. After it was dark, we shot the Texas LTC course with our flashlights. I was pleased to shoot 249. Then we were taken individually to shoot two scenarios. Great course.

On a side note regarding drawing from holster, back when we still had to shoot the course again upon renewal, I asked if I could draw from the holster for practice. It was not allowed per the rules.

txyaloo said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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An instructor explained this to me that it's more about being as accurate as possible with multiple rounds fired quickly at various distances to minimize the possibility of collateral injuries in a real-world scenario.

ETA: Many ranges have specific restrictions on draw firing for safety reasons.

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But the shots aren't fired quickly during the LTC test. These are all from the ready. Every one of those is 2-3 seconds between shots. Real world scenario, you'd likely be dead if you shot that slowly. That 1 shot, in 2 seconds, drawn from concealment would still be slow but a better test of a "real--world scenario"

Course of Fire:
3 yard line - 20 shots:

• 1 shot in 2 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:

• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once
• 1 shot in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 4 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:

• 2 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 9 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

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Most real world scenarios are more like you reach/draw on a BG and he runs away fast. The # of defensive drawing/brandishing incidences is orders of magnitude higher than defensive trigger pulls.

I took the class maybe 15 years ago with my brother. When the shooting portion came, it occurred to me that it would be fairly easy to get a perfect score, so as my brother and I approached the final shots, I casually pulled my last three over on the edge of his target in the next lane. The instructor came and rapidly graded by only marking off for holes outside the 7 ring (or what ever). My score: 250, brother's score: 247. Lol.

Y'all jinxed me! I shot a 249 haha. Pulled the last shot!!!!!

BenderRodriguez said:

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Eta: on a personal level you could try making fun of every chl holder you know who isnt shooting competitions and taking classes (if you're doing more than the bare minimum yourself). If their "training" starts and ends with the state mandated hours and telling people "ive been shooting for 20 years!"….yeah….those guys arent as good as they think they are. Mockery among friends is always good for personal development. ;-)

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Quoting myself here for a second because I just finished day 1 of a 2 day pistol class.

I know some people assume competition/training classes is all vetbros and larpers wearing 5.11 pants and dont want to participate because its lame and "tacticool".

The students in todays class: 20s to 60s, men and women, office professionals, teacher, retiree, college professor, cop, doctor, etc. For some it was one of their first classes, for others, one of many. All learning and becoming more competent shooters together.

If you're a gun owner and you can't find a single weekend to get out and learn from some of the world class instructors who travel all over the US teaching ordinary people like you and me how to be more capable armed citizens…you're doing yourself a serious disservice.

ok yall gonna rip me for this and thats ok ….. but why are people getting LTC now?

The better question is why wouldn't you get it? I had it before and let it expire so I had to retake the class. By doing so I went through the class recently and they talked about having constitutional carry vs having a LTC. Constitutional carry is great in all but it has ALOT of limitations/stipulations to it that having an LTC doesn't.

I actually had to retake it because all of my shots were so perfect that they all went through the same hole in the dead center of the target so it only looked like I hit the target once

Don't sweat it. The guy In the bay next to me actually hit my target a few times. He passed

One reason

No wait time at ffl.

B. If pulled over the fuzz can see you are have ltc and may cut you a break.

D. cause you really like hearing texas law shield advertisement and having some schmo tell you stories that are semi made up.

The last one was from the hip.

txyaloo said:

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Ryan the Temp said:

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Professional Hitter said:

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The LTC test is absolutely useless for actual concealed carry. I wish they would drastically revamp it for concealed carry. Draw from a holster, draw from concealment and time.

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An instructor explained this to me that it's more about being as accurate as possible with multiple rounds fired quickly at various distances to minimize the possibility of collateral injuries in a real-world scenario.

ETA: Many ranges have specific restrictions on draw firing for safety reasons.

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But the shots aren't fired quickly during the LTC test. These are all from the ready. Every one of those is 2-3 seconds between shots. Real world scenario, you'd likely be dead if you shot that slowly. That 1 shot, in 2 seconds, drawn from concealment would still be slow but a better test of a "real--world scenario"

Course of Fire:
3 yard line - 20 shots:

• 1 shot in 2 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:

• 5 shots in 10 seconds, once
• 1 shot in 3 seconds, 5 times
• 2 shots in 4 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:

• 2 shots in 6 seconds, once
• 3 shots in 9 seconds, once
• 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

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Well I'm sure "quickly" is a relative term, but that's what the instructor told me. I shot a 250, so I didn't really care about all the minutiae of the test. The only time I've ever done draw firing was when I certified on the M-9.

SMM48 said:

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One reason

No wait time at ffl.

B. If pulled over the fuzz can see you are have ltc and may cut you a break.

D. cause you really like hearing texas law shield advertisement and having some schmo tell you stories that are semi made up.

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1. dont buy from ffl…. dont need govnt permission. All good no need to talk myself out of a random gun charge for just runnin down the road… not trying to start a big ol debate…. just trying to understand the op

It's really simple. Don't over think it.

Allows immediate transfer of firearm when you buy one.

Ltc allows you to carry some places where constitutional carry doesn't

Ltc lets law enforcement know you have a clear background.

Reciprocity.

As to why op wants ltc…..that's op's business and really doesn't need you to understand.