This is not my first time to post a remarkably similar rant, but it's a new company so I feel the need to rant again.

Just got a corporate invite to and "Active Shooter Awareness Training" marked as required. Supposedly part of the training is from a DPS officer based on the CRASE Training Course which is "Avoid, Deny, Defend". Pertinent to my rant is "Defend". Straight form the course website:

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DEFEND because you have the right to protect yourself

• If you cannot Avoid or Deny be prepared to defend yourself.
• Be aggressive and committed to your actions.
• Do not fight fairly.

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I like the idea of the training and completely agree with the "be aggressive" part. NYT did a look at 433 active shooting incidents from 2011 to 2021 and anyone care to guess the number one way they were ended? By the attacker being shot (27.7% of the time). Followed closely by attacker leaving the scene (26.1%) and shooter committing suicide (25.4%). Only then do we get to shooter being subdued without being shot at 17.3%.

Naturally however, this being a public company and therefore subject to being governed by stupidity rather than fact, we have a "no weapons" policy on company premises. Generally I support the right of any business to do whatever it wants, even if that decision is stupid, but what really gets under my skin, is making us go to a training where, by corporate policy, we are forbidden from implementing one of the 3 tenets of that training most effectively. Pick a damn side.

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Just hit them with a stapler.

I work for a school district. Don't talk to me about CRASE idiocy. I hate that our district disallows carry. Barf.

Professional Hitter said:

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Just hit them with a stapler.

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This is the type of idiot logic that kills me (I know it's not your logic). These guns are so deadly that no one but the authorities can be trusted with them, but also if confronted by an attacker with one just hit them with a stapler… make up your damn mind. Do they spew exploding death or are they matched by basic office supplies? Because it can't be both.

Unless your company has metal detectors on the entrances, what comes to work with you in your backpack/briefcase is none of their business. And if it ever comes about that you need to use it, it will be worth getting fired to still be alive. That is a trade I will make every day.

Remember. Idiots ruin it for everyone. Meaning, there are likely plenty of folks in your company that should not be trusted to carry. So if some can't…No one can.

I don't like it. But this is how it is.

Weren't you clamoring for more gun control just last week?

I had a company in Texas try to tell us we couldn't even have guns in our cars.
The parking lot wasnt their property either so someone can't say "well it's their property so they can make the rules they want".

(Not TWIC or other federally regulated site)

txags92 said:

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Unless your company has metal detectors on the entrances, what comes to work with you in your backpack/briefcase is none of their business. And if it ever comes about that you need to use it, it will be worth getting fired to still be alive. That is a trade I will make every day.

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I think our current laws could use some updating. And I'd be happy to share those thoughts on a diff thread.

But I'm far from wanting to remove the gun rights of well qualified law abiding citizens. Far far from it.

txags92 said:

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Unless your company has metal detectors on the entrances, what comes to work with you in your backpack/briefcase is none of their business. And if it ever comes about that you need to use it, it will be worth getting fired to still be alive. That is a trade I will make every day.

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I've been looking for a nice carry bag for my laptop that was built to hold a pistol; any recs on something leather y'all use or a nicer version of something non-leather?

txags92 said:

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Unless your company has metal detectors on the entrances, what comes to work with you in your backpack/briefcase is none of their business. And if it ever comes about that you need to use it, it will be worth getting fired to still be alive. That is a trade I will make every day.

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This right here. If you want to have access but basically ensure you won't be caught with it, get yourself a bag with a dedicated compartment that you never open at work unless the day you need it were to come. To avoid a mistake of opening the wrong pouch at the wrong time and to help with speed if you do need it, mark that the zipper to that compartment with a special tag/string/keychain so you know which one it is

See my above post / looking for recs.

I might just recommend a nice Ogio or something along those lines. avoid any tactical brands or particular style that appeared tactical

Yea; already ruled out 5.11. There are several other options so just curious.

Just don't ask the dps officer about all the dps officers and Tx rangers at the Uvalde school shooting…

Go with a good American made outdoor brand. Kifaru makes some daily carry stuff.

Take it from someone in corporate security… Any executive can give written permission for an employee to not have to comply with a rule…

You're in luck. I just decided to design concealed weapons for workplace situations like the OP. How many units do you need, TheEyeGuy?

A. Remember all of these policies are lawyers' doing
B. I strongly believe that anyone who sets up an anti-self defense policy should become liable for the safety of all who fall under that policy. And also that weapons-free facilities should be forced to accommodate via a weapons check / locker system because the walk between the building and your car is often the most assault-prone part of a commute (think nurses between hospital and parking garage where mental patients and homeless abound).

TikkaShooter said:

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I think our current laws could use some updating. And I'd be happy to share those thoughts on a diff thread.

But I'm far from wanting to remove the gun rights of well qualified law abiding citizens. Far far from it.

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"Well qualified"

What, exactly, does that entail? Who makes the decision as to "well qualified"? What about just regular "qualified"? Guess "proficient" would not make the cut?

Expect to self rescue and prepare accordingly.

Medically, defensively, whatever.

Glad you posted this before I had to. His first post basically states the same position, that because of a handful of employees that are not qualified/capable of handling a firearm no one gets to do so. That poster is one of the more puzzling posters here on the OB given the positions taken over on F16.

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the number one way they were ended? By the attacker being shot (27.7% of the time). Followed closely by attacker leaving the scene (26.1%) and shooter committing suicide (25.4%). Only then do we get to shooter being subdued without being shot at 17.3%.

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I'm willing to bet that almost 100% of the times that the shooter commits suicide, it is because a good guy with a gun showed up.

So about 1/2 the attacks were stopped by another gun.

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A. Remember all of these policies are lawyers' doing

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And a lawyer will always say "NO", if there is the slightest possibility that a "YES" will end in a lawsuit.

Hey look, synonyms!

But in all honesty - in an office enviro, I'd like the carriers of weapons to be trained carriers. Much like the silently armed school movement. Certain people are carrying. It's unknown to the masses. Those who carry are trained to do so and trained to respond in the populated enviro. Aka - well qualified.

But, ya know, stretch my comment to some kind of veiled 2A bash. That was cute.

Professional Hitter said:

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Just hit them with a stapler.

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TikkaShooter said:

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I think our current laws could use some updating. And I'd be happy to share those thoughts on a diff thread.

But I'm far from wanting to remove the gun rights of well qualified law abiding citizens. Far far from it.

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God I hate this post. And knowing your far left leanings espoused on F16, I hate it even more.

Sorry hungry. We will have to agree to disagree.

Just tell them your handgun self identifies as a stapler. Problem solved...

Mystery Ranch makes a cc bag. I don't own this one but it's on my short list for next bag.

https://www.mysteryranch.com/low-vis-3way-briefcase-expandable

Good pick. MR is solid. Not all their lines are USA made, but still a great company. Have owned a few of their hunting packs over the years. Got em bloody on a few trips out west.

TikkaShooter said:

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Hey look, synonyms!

But in all honesty - in an office enviro, I'd like the carriers of weapons to be trained carriers. Much like the silently armed school movement. Certain people are carrying. It's unknown to the masses. Those who carry are trained to do so and trained to respond in the populated enviro. Aka - well qualified.

But, ya know, stretch my comment to some kind of veiled 2A bash. That was cute.

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It wasnt cute at all, because your comments and opinion on who should or cannot carry are, frankly, garbage.

But you know that, as does the entire board. Nothing like 2A "supporters" like you.

CanyonAg77 said:

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the number one way they were ended? By the attacker being shot (27.7% of the time). Followed closely by attacker leaving the scene (26.1%) and shooter committing suicide (25.4%). Only then do we get to shooter being subdued without being shot at 17.3%.

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I'm willing to bet that almost 100% of the times that the shooter commits suicide, it is because a good guy with a gun showed up.

So about 1/2 the attacks were stopped by another gun.

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Would safely say it was all but that 17% because anothergun showd up.

All good bud. Will have to strike this convo up on a different thread sometime. Would be a good discussion.

TikkaShooter said:

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I think our current laws could use some updating. And I'd be happy to share those thoughts on a diff thread.

But I'm far from wanting to remove the gun rights of well qualified law abiding citizens. Far far from it.

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Updating? You voted for and support a party that now wants to ban all semiautomatics. That's far from "updating".