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RikkiTikkaTagem
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Looking to buy one for hog hunting (see picture) at my place and see anything from a $1,000 to $7,000.

I really don't want to spend more than $2,000 right now on this but will welcome any suggestions because I definitely don't want to spend money on something that would end up being cheap, so would raise my price if there was something worth the extra bit.

I use a 300 blackout, its suppressor is pending a Form4, and my farthest shot will probably be 100-150 yards.

I've looked at the thors LT and ATN 4 but is there anything else y'all would recommend?

Apologize if there's already a thermal thread that I missed.

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You want to talk to skelso. He's forgotten more about this stuff than most will ever know. We've bought some stuff from him, and he's great to work with, very educational, and a good dude. Send him a PM.
ttha_aggie_09
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Apologies in advance for being that guy, but…..

Your hog panels work better when they're put on the right way.

Plenty of folks here can comment on thermals but from what I have heard, don't waste your money for anything less than $2,500.

Good luck!
TheEyeGuy
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Just posted this last week. Still active. Sold one earlier today

https://www.texianfirearms.com/special-deals/optics-2052/burris-bts-35-thermal-riflescope-matte-black-23-92x-35mm-10-interchangeable-400x300-50hz-resolution-digital-2x4x-zoom-4351957
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TheEyeGuy
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Another in your range to look at is the rattler from agm. I like the Burris better but the rattler is very good.
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RikkiTikkaTagem
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TheEyeGuy said:

Just posted this last week. Still active. Sold one earlier today

https://www.texianfirearms.com/special-deals/optics-2052/burris-bts-35-thermal-riflescope-matte-black-23-92x-35mm-10-interchangeable-400x300-50hz-resolution-digital-2x4x-zoom-4351957


I saw. If I didn't have my gun already and can already in The works, this would have been a no brainer.

ETA. I had seen the package you had posted about. I hadn't seen just the thermal by itself.
RikkiTikkaTagem
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Apologies in advance for being that guy, but…..

Your hog panels work better when they're put on the right way.

Plenty of folks here can comment on thermals but from what I have heard, don't waste your money for anything less than $2,500.

Good luck!


I've been on this site for over 11 years. This is honestly one of the nicest ways that I have received constructive feedback.
RikkiTikkaTagem
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Thanks!
SockDePot
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Don't get atn, as an atn owner, you will ultimately be disappointed.

I have flir, atn, pulsar.

Seen iray and agm.

Pulsar imo is best bang for your buck.

My next purchase will be a high end pulsar

You can get into a nice pulsar for $3500
ttha_aggie_09
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Glad it was received well
highvelocity
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If you're not spending more than 2 grand, go with some good night vision. You want to spend 3, AGM is your move
Hewey Calloway
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I've heard terrible things about ATN customer service. I have heard you'll definitely have to deal with it too.

I have an AGM Rattler that I like. I would imagine it's one of those things, you get what you pay for. I don't get to use mine much but it's always worked well for me. I've heard good an bad things about them. In my opinion they're great for an entry level thermal on a budget.
Nealthedestroyer
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Bering Optics Super Yoter or Super Hogster.

For $7k I'd glance at Nvisions offerings.
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Hewey Calloway
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Here's a couple of screenshots from videos off my AGM Rattler 25-246. I wish I knew how to create gifs of the videos.




ETA: Maybe I shouldn't have posted those. I feel like they don't do the thermal justice. They seem much clearer in the videos and live.
AggieMPH2005
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I've had my Steiner clip on for about 3 hours now. Definitely loving it so far… $2,750 after rebate including taxes

Just another option for you if you have a rifle with a day optic and rail room out front


skelso
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Snow Monkey Ambassador said:

You want to talk to skelso. He's forgotten more about this stuff than most will ever know. We've bought some stuff from him, and he's great to work with, very educational, and a good dude. Send him a PM.


Thanks for the vote of confidence. Always nice when customers are happy enough with their purchase and my service to recommend me to others.
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Pulsar LRF XP50 video for you to see a higher budget option
rab79
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Pulsar talion if you can find one in stock $2,500, review here. Not chinese product like everything else in this price range. If you want to see crazy iray has a1280 thermal, $18k
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skelso
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OP, STAY AWAY FROM ATN...

Now that's out of the way, Grab a cocktail and I'll get started on trying to help. People are often surprised by my approach but I've used and sold this stuff for many years and I promise there's a method to my madness...

You already covered some of my usual first questions.

1) You have access to a place to hunt regularly
2) You know your most likely ranges
3) Based on the picture I assume you will mostly be hunting over feeders of known distance.

Here's the other things you should consider:

4) Have you done much hunting at night in the past?

If yes, do you enjoy it enough you'll go regularly?

If no, I suggest you really consider if you'll enjoy sitting in the woods at night alone - For lots of folks that answer ends up being "No". You then have 3 choices - Give up night hunting, find a buddy who has their own gear, Buy a second setup so you can invite a friend.

Believe it or not, a large number of my clients end up going with option 3.

Do you have kids you'll take with you? If yes, you'll want a second rig or at least consider a model with an app so the non-shooter can see what's going on.

Once you've considered all of that and decide you aren't sure its for you, save your budget and start with a digital NV scope. If you enjoy it, graduate to thermal and use the NV as your buddy rig... If you considernit all and decide you are ready to move forward, lets talk what to buy.

Most buyers who buy entry grade thermal end up with buyers remorse. Sure, you can trade it in and buy better but the %lost is greater than driving a new truck off the lot. Worse yet, going back to above, a scope sitting in your safe unused is a bad invesent. Doesnt matter if it was 2K or 10K.

For the distance you are talking, you dont need the best there is. But... Almost everytime buyers who really enjoy it start seeking additional places to hunt and quickly need better picture and ranging capabilities. So, holding offbuntil your budget will allow you to purchase at least midgrade thermal is always a sound decision.

Here's my opinion based on experience.

ATN is a horrible company. Some people have devices that are solid but historically when you need help they are tough to deal with. You'll find some people who have had great experiences but its an averages game. Follow some of the forums andnpay attention to how many report bad experiences for each good experience reported.

Pulsar makes good products and is a reputable company. They struggled with rapid market share growth for a few years but have it under control now. They are the first manufacturer I sold and are still my go-to in a lot of cases.

IRAY makes good products. Price point is generally better than Pulsar of comperable model and warranty is better on paper. They have a 5 day guaranteed turn around on warranty. I know of 3 cases where stuff was sent in for warranty and they met the 5 day window on all of them. Their picture quality is better than Pulsar and others of comperable quality.

The rattler, hogster, etc are decent but you'll likely end up wanting more.

Trijicon and Nvision are top quality but well outside your budget.

If you are still with me this far, let me e plain why pople get buyer's remorse. If you had an analog TV growing up, it was great but as soon as your buddy's family got a digital TV you wanted one because you now had something to compare. Along came High Def digital and all of the sudden standard digital wasn't good enough. So for years, you were content with analog TV. Now you have High Def digital. Would you ever go back to analog??

Low res, mid res, high res thermal is similar compare and contrast

If I havent completely confused you, hit me with your follow up questions.
RikkiTikkaTagem
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Thank you for what is an awesome reposnse and really addressed the issue at hand.

I haven't done a lot of night hunting but I like being by myself and really feel that on my place by myself when I have been out there at night, it is enjoyable. My kids are too young for this type of stuff but I like the idea of starting with night vision and having a "buddy rig". I have some friends that would be game for this. Plus, I have a rig or two that could be a decent hog gun if I graduated to a higher end thermal.

At the end of your advice, you bring up the point that was nagging me all along and what prompted the OP and that was if some of these things that I was looking at in my ~$2,000 price range are actually good products, then why is there such a market for all of this higher priced stuff? I'd rather wait a bit and spend $4k on something quality, that I will enjoy using instead of spending $2k on something that will frustrate me.

I'll start looking at NV and then hopefully get back to you at some point in the future. Thanks again for a great, thought out response that really helped me.
BenderRodriguez
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I don't have thermal advice, but I do have NV advice.

You sound like me: enjoy being out at night, even if you're not hunting. It's why I went night vision over thermal (though I will also eventually buy thermal).

If you like just walking around at night, NV is amazing. Buy a PVS-14 and a Crye nightcap and night time hikes/stargazing/whatever are going to be a blast for you.

The entry point to NV may seem lower than thermal, and it is....if you stop at just a monocular. But then you're going to want to be able to shoot under it, which means laser, illuminator, night vision compatible optics...and monocular is cool and all, but duals really make it easier to walk around at night and give you a little depth perception...and all the sudden you're easily into 6k-12k territory with all the other stuff you're going to want to buy after that 2.5-3k pvs 14.

Neither is going to be cheap for quality. A guy with a PVS14 and a thermal scope could have a heck of a lot of fun at night and still not spend that much (relatively) though, so just be careful about creeping costs/accessories. Just as easy to spend money in the NV game as it is in the thermal world.
Thaddeus Beauregard
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Skelso's advice is spot on!

I have Pulsar, FLIR, and NVision thermals. I've hunted with Trijicon, IRay, ATN, Burris, Leica thermals.

I think Pulsar presents the best compromise between quality and $ spent. I was impressed by what I saw of IRay thermal image quality for the prive, though they accomplish it with finer pixel pitch at the expense of field of view. I've used all core resolutions, and once I went to the 640 core in my Pulsar and NVision, I never went back to 320/384 resolution.

I truly believe anything less than around $2500 with current technology is setting yourself up for disappointment long-term.

And everyone I know who bought an ATN had issues with it and had trouble getting repairs done correctly and timely with the company. I know a company who dropped carrying ATN because they had too many customer returns and bad customer service experiences.
KALALL
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I have an IRay-TL35 and it has been great. I feel like it has a really crisp picture for the price.
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I'm with skelso, absolutely stay away from ATN.

I've got a Pulsar Trail XQ50 for $3500 and it is a complete rockstar. Couldn't highly recommend it enough. I'm nails anything about 150 yds or closer with it on my 7.62x51.

I would join a bunch of the Thermal Hunting Groups on Facebook so you can watch unedited videos from actual hunters and get real ideas and opinions of what you'd actually be buying. Sorts out some of these companies making the video look better than it actually is.
C ROC N
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Bering Optics Super Hogster 35mm hands down the best thermal for the money!! Made in Texas so if you have any issues you could just drive over, but have had mine for over a year with no issues. Game changer!! I can identify the animal with ease from 300 yds. Got bored one time and shot a rat running up a tree from 85 yds. Can even use an external battery pack for all night use. Did I say Made in TX, Mike Drop!
rab79
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just saying
https://rumble.com/v1kmyry-top-thermals-2022.html
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skelso
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I'm not certain your info is correct. Yes Bering is distributed from Irving but I dont believe they are assembled there.

FWIW, Pulsar is imported by Sellmark Corporation - in Mansfield, TX. Same folks import Sightmark. Infiniray is imported by IrayUSA - In Ft. Worth, TX. AGM is imported by AGM Globalvision in Arizona, distributed from Grand Prairie, TX.

TheEyeGuy
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A lot of Bering product is assembled in the US from foreign internals using a US made housing. They are headquartered up in the DFW area but they ship their product out from Cali.... We do a few of their thermals and NV units a year and have been generally very happy with them. In fact, we just got a Super Yoter in for a poster here who picked up a mega custom Valkyrie build that we did for him. But, yeah, I think they are actually assembled in Cali with the HQ being in Texas. They at least ship from there... if they aren't making them there, I have questions about their business practices of shipping these things cross country way more than they have to.
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