I can't imagine the pain her parents are going through. Losing my daughter is the worst nightmare I can imagineplowboy1065 said:
A buddy of mines niece is one of those that lost her life today. Horrible situation
I can't imagine the pain her parents are going through. Losing my daughter is the worst nightmare I can imagineplowboy1065 said:
A buddy of mines niece is one of those that lost her life today. Horrible situation
Dirty-8-thirty Ag said:
A Guardian School is where a lot of the teachers and administrators are armed with AR-15s and pistols. They receive training a couple times a year from highly skilled instructors for these very scenarios while training with live rounds. Nobody but the people in the Guardian program know who is armed and they have a plan of action for when something like this takes place.
Having an armed presence on campus to be able to respond instantly, instead of calling in to a rural county deputy and waiting for them to make it to the school from 10 miles away could make all the difference in the world.
Thanks for sharing this.Max06 said:
This is a WONDERFUL program for schools, available free of charge. If you have kids in school, I encourage you to bring it to the school's/PTA's attention.
https://fastersaveslives.org/
Glad y'all were able to build a new school, unfortunately a lot of the rural schools can't afford new building. The elementary school that I attended in the late 50's is still the most one they use today. This was in Bracketville, only 40 miles from Uvalde.Scott Sterlings Face said:
I went to my Kindergartener's "field day" today at her school where they just turn everyone loose and have rock wall climbing, games, dunk tanks, bounce houses, etc. This is before I heard about the shooting, and as I am walking up, I am thinking about where I parked my truck and how fast I can get to my gun in the event something like this happens. It is so sad to think this is a legitimate thought in my head walking up to an area where a ton of kids are playing and having fun, but it is something I think about every time I drop her off at school....and we live in a very rural west Texas community.
Then, I hear about the shooting in a meeting this morning and it just tears me up. I find solace in the fact that we just built a brand new elementary school where they can hit a button and lock it down completely. She has come home and said they practiced their "bad guy" drill, but this is apparently the **** we have to explain to our kids. I am glad to have multiple friends on the school board, I will run when it is my time, and I am still friends with teachers that are still there from when I was in school.
Prayers to everyone.
I'm waiting to hear the same thing. We lived there too long to not know some of the victims. My son went to Robb many years ago.plowboy1065 said:
A buddy of mines niece is one of those that lost her life today. Horrible situation
All due respect. And yes, I know what the law says.....but......Carry.Aggieangler93 said:
I went to a large graduation event at the Cedar Park Center this evening. It made me leary having to leave my EDC knife in my truck. Let alone any kind of serviceable weapon.
It's almost advertising to the criminals, all the law abiders here have been made easy targets.
I hate that these sorry MFers are preying on kids so often. But making that school a gun free zone is a huge part of the problem in my mind.
I'm so sorry for anyone that lost their kid today to such a horrid event. We are praying for you!
docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
txaggie02 said:docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
I'd rather have 6-9 trained teachers at each school than 2 armed guards. Pay the teachers an extra $5000 each vs paying two guards $50-60k year each and the financials work out too.
docb said:txaggie02 said:docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
I'd rather have 6-9 trained teachers at each school than 2 armed guards. Pay the teachers an extra $5000 each vs paying two guards $50-60k year each and the financials work out too.
If you think back to your teachers growing up, do you really think any of those women would be able to confront something like this?
Once again reports of the murderer posting images and plans on social media...bigtruckguy3500 said:
Possibly an unpopular opinion here, but I say this as a someone who wants to ensure I can take my children, and hopefully grandchildren, shooting one day. The NRA and all gun rights organizations need to take charge of the gun control debate, and propose something instead of letting the far left lead this debate.
O.G. said:All due respect. And yes, I know what the law says.....but......Carry.Aggieangler93 said:
I went to a large graduation event at the Cedar Park Center this evening. It made me leary having to leave my EDC knife in my truck. Let alone any kind of serviceable weapon.
It's almost advertising to the criminals, all the law abiders here have been made easy targets.
I hate that these sorry MFers are preying on kids so often. But making that school a gun free zone is a huge part of the problem in my mind.
I'm so sorry for anyone that lost their kid today to such a horrid event. We are praying for you!
Wear a dress jacket in the heat of the summer if you have to, shirt untucked with an IWB holster, carry on your ankle or whatever, but Carry.
Gun free zones do not work. Period. The one cop that they have working most graduations, large churches, etc is going to be the first target and may or may not be competent enough to handle the situation to begin with. Work on carrying deep concealment, but carry.
I know you might think that people will notice, they won't. Most people are oblivious. I've carried standing dead in front of multiple cops in a VERY blue state, and they never notice.
If they have metal detectors etc, see if you can figure out a work around, or whatever, but 90+% of the time, I've been able to carry in soft target areas with the ghostbusters sign. Bigger concert/sports venues with better security & airports are about the only places I can't pull that off. But...luckily those places have a lot of "security" that are also kind enough to have holstered handguns for me to get to..........
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The term "armed teachers" is polarizing and misleading. So, let's phrase it in this way: who in your school will challenge the threat? Even unarmedā¦ who is going to run towards evil to protect the kids? Is it a coach? Principal? Math teacher? If you know they're going anyway because that's just who they are let's get them some training. Plain and simple: let's help them succeed.
And then let's make sure there are medical supplies in the school and staff know what to do with them to save lives until police clear the building for the paramedics to get in. We can all agree on this, right?
Thousands of schools in Ohio have already put this in place. There is a wonderful program called FASTERSavesLives and I've seen the training first hand.
Here is the press release that FASTER sent out this morning. I urge you to encourage your school administrators to learn more.
Blue Creek, Ohio Once again we find our nation devastated by the loss of too many innocent lives. Another school killing. Innocent children slaughtered. Families destroyed. Brave teachers facing a murderous individual unarmed. How many times must this replay before those in charge listen to our nation's experts and take concrete steps to save kid's lives rather simply giving lip service to nonsense that plays well in the media?
Police cannot stop school killers in time. It's not their job. Schools have custody, and a duty to protect the kids in their care, not the police. We certainly need the police, and they will get there as fast as they can, but it won't be in time. We saw just that in Robb Elementary School yesterday, and too many other times before.
In the past 16 hours, we have talked to many school staff in Ohio, Texas and beyond. They are sad, frustrated, broken, and angry. They envision their own schools being targeted. They weep for those lost because it is personal to them. They are frustrated at school boards and others that won't educate themselves on true security. The only way you get dozens killed and injured is when your only plan is to wait on outside help.
The solutions are here, we just need schools and politicians to prioritize and implement. Nearly 10 years ago our foundation partnered with topic experts like John Benner at Tactical Defense Institute, Andrew Blubaugh at APEX Training, Dr. Brian Springer Wright State Division of Tactical Medicine and Lt. Col. Dave Grossman at the Grossman academy. Experts who had previously spent decades studying active killer events in and out of schools. Experts who had already trained thousands of our nation's elite law enforcement and military personnel on how to handle these events ONCE THEY ARRIVE.
Together, we built the FASTER Saves Lives program to give schools the opportunity to save lives while waiting on the professionals to arrive. In the 10 years since Sandy Hook Elementary, we have trained nearly 3,000 school staff in 300 districts across 20 states and have saved multiple lives. Parents need to insist school boards have real security. They need multiple overlapping layers of protection against violence, just like they have for fire. They need people trained in expedient trauma medical care and they need a few staff members properly trained and armed to stop the killer as quickly as possible. Anything less is not acceptable in today's world.
We know there are dedicated, determined and devoted people inside every school building in these United States. It is time schools and communities give them the tools and training needed to save lives in the future. It is time for our school staff to live for our kids, not die for them.
when you have children in your charge, their safety is, most certainly, your responsibility.docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
Our church (smaller than most elementary schools) has a posted guard in front of the kids' area (controls access and is kitted + armed), a roving guard, and a program for members who want to train together and carry in service. They've briefed non-participating members on how best to stay out of the way. It's a multi-layer approach to deter or quickly stop attacks.txaggie02 said:docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
I'd rather have 6-9 trained teachers at each school than 2 armed guards. Pay the teachers an extra $2500-5000 each vs paying two guards $60k year each and the financials work out too.
Credit cards? Knowing he would be dead or in prison soon, I'm guessing he didn't care too much about debt.tandy miller said:
Have they released who the guns belonged to? That kid apparently had been posting guns on is social media, and one of them is like a $3k daniel defense w/ eotech. Where does a kid that age get that kind of money?
Such an unspeakable act of evil.Ol Jock 99 said:
Being reported that all the kids were in one 4th grade class. If have a 4th grader. I cannot understand such evil.
This is really the only immediate need that will have a concrete impact.docb said:
Need to have hired armed guards at every school. Teachers job is to teach. If they want to carry a gun so be it but they are not trained nor paid for that responsibility.
BenderRodriguez said:
I know several (female) teachers who have CHLs.
It is completely insane we trust them to carry in the grocery store, church, and everywhere else in public but disarm them at work.
Drawing a magical line around schools and saying "bad things aren't allowed to happen here" doesn't work. I wish it did. It doesn't.