Has anyone bought a suppressor with the new e-form? Is it faster than normal wait times? I am almost a year out from my last purchase with absolutely no hope it will ever be able to come home with me. Just sad I guess. Bought it for my 50th birthday. Won't be able to shoot it before I am 60 at this rate. Hoping I don't kick the bucket before it shows up.

Yours must be in the same pile as mine, check cashed 3/12.

FWIW I called ATF and inquired if it would be faster to eform. Was told priority was on the existing paper applications. Frustrating.

They say 90 days, I'm currently at 34 days.

Also incase y'all didn't know do not try to pull your existing paper submittal and re-submit electrically as the ATF has warned against doing that. Something along the line of it won't happen and the wait will automatically go to 1-year!

Been waiting 12 months on paper application. Was told 6 when applied.

About to hit the 13 month mark. Suppressor (Hybrid 46) has become replaced by a newer version (Hybrid 46M) yet I'm stuck with the older that I haven't even touched.

Nice job ATF.

The current chart from NFA tracker

IMnAg79 said:

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Been waiting 12 months on paper application. Was told 6 when applied.

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Wow, whoever told you that as lying or misinformed! I have not had a 6 month return since 2010

According to the chart above that was the going sate until January 21.

FirefightAg said:

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According to the chart above that was the going sate until January 21.

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From personal experience in the same timeline it has been closer to 10 months in Texas

Just got my ready to certify email this morning. Which is supposedly the last step before my eform 4 is sent to the atf. Taken about 2 months to get to this point.

All you guys who bought on Christmas weekend piled into a giant queue. They announced the efile system prematurely, and put it online prior to testing and debugging. Add to that folks who were about buy, and those on the fence on as to whether to go ahead and buy jumped in all in that first week. That caused a giant bottleneck and will delay the whole shebang. I hope that we do see 90 day approvals in the near future, but I would not be surprised if the first efile's come back in more like 6-9 months.

JeremiahJohnson said:

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IMnAg79 said:

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Been waiting 12 months on paper application. Was told 6 when applied.

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Wow, whoever told you that as lying or misinformed! I have not had a 6 month return since 2010

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I got a rare one (last-week of Feb 2020-first week of Sept 2020).

Nothing even close to that before or since.

Fkn ATF is an absolute joke of an organization. There is absolutely no excuse as to why it should take any longer than a run of the mill 4473 BGC to get approval. This is 100% "because you are serfs and we are the overlords" and it irks me to no end.

Rant not over, will be back

schmellba99 said:

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Fkn ATF is an absolute joke of an organization. There is absolutely no excuse as to why it should take any longer than a run of the mill 4473 BGC we are required to get approval for a suppressor. This is 100% "because you are serfs and we are the overlords" and it irks me to no end.

Rant not over, will be back

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FIFY

schmellba99 said:

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Fkn ATF is an absolute joke of an organization. There is absolutely no excuse as to why it should take any longer than a run of the mill 4473 BGC to get approval. This is 100% "because you are serfs and we are the overlords" and it irks me to no end.

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You should read about what they just did to form 1 suppressor makers:

AR15.com Mass Form 1 Denials

Do not even bother filing a Form 1 for a suppressor anymore unless you are a machinists and have not procured any materials. Even then I wouldn't do it. They're trying to entrap people for simply purchasing the materials to make the suppressor while awaiting a form 1 approval. Even a piece of pipe cut that you plan to use is considered a suppressor. Anyone that has purchased any kits or parts in the past to make their form 1 suppressor, even if it's already been approved is in legal jeopardy, because they are now saying those parts and kits were suppressors all along and that the initial purchase was an illegal transfer making the current form 1 invalid.

Their "interpretation" of the definition of a suppressor, includes any materials that can readily be made into a suppressor in less than eight hours in a fully stocked machine shop with an experienced machinist.

If you want to build one now you have to provide them with photos of the materials, equipment, plans, and the source of any materials that you purchased. Doing so could allow them to twist your documentation into intent to illegally transfer a suppressor (the materials).

This goes for Quietbore too, even though they require an approved form 1 in hand before they ship. They basically told Quietbore that shipping the unfinished suppressor is an illegal transfer because the unfinished suppressor falls under their "interpretation" of the definition of a suppressor in the NFA and GCA.

Keep in mind these attacks are directed at people attempting to abide by the law, file the paperwork, and pay the taxes. These are in no way criminals that are trying to circumvent the NFA. Hopefully the ATF doesn't try to take enforcement actions against those that have tried to follow the rules, but have been retroactively determined to be in violation of those rules by the ATF's new found interpretation.

The ATF is run by gun control advocates that want nothing more than to harass law abiding gun owners; while ignoring real problems we have with crime.

JeremiahJohnson said:

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IMnAg79 said:

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Been waiting 12 months on paper application. Was told 6 when applied.

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Wow, whoever told you that as lying or misinformed! I have not had a 6 month return since 2010

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eForms were really quick when first released in ~2012. I was seeing stuff being approved in 10-20 days. Of course, ATF screwed the system up in short order and started taking bits and pieces of it down

JeremiahJohnson said:

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IMnAg79 said:

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Been waiting 12 months on paper application. Was told 6 when applied.

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Wow, whoever told you that as lying or misinformed! I have not had a 6 month return since 2010

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I filed 12 months ago as well at Capitol Armory. At that time, they said that they were being issued within 4-5 months or so a little bit before that, but they were expecting that to bump to 6 months or so. They were way off!

Everyone and their uncle went out and bought after sleepy Joe got inaugurated I guess...

I bought mine through silencershop on 11/28. At the time it was still paper forms and I had to go through the entire process. In mid January I got a notice that they were switching my app to eforms. I went to the dealer on 1/28 and certified. For some reason one of them certified that day and the other didn't fully certify until 2/10. I'm still in the
"ATF Review" phase. So it's been 90 days for me already, but to be fair the eform didn't happen until a little over a month ago.

aggieforester05 said:

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"...because they are now saying those parts and kits were suppressors all along and that the initial purchase was an illegal transfer making the current form 1 invalid."

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This isn't a "now" thing. It has always been the case. Any single part of a can is considered a full can. They just didn't do anything about it until now. Just like braces, keep pushing the envelope of what's legal, and they are going to push right back. Not saying I agree with them, but that's what happens.

coleasterling said:

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aggieforester05 said:

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"...because they are now saying those parts and kits were suppressors all along and that the initial purchase was an illegal transfer making the current form 1 invalid."

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This isn't a "now" thing. It has always been the case. Any single part of a can is considered a full can. They just didn't do anything about it until now. Just like braces, keep pushing the envelope of what's legal, and they are going to push right back. Not saying I agree with them, but that's what happens.

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So then why don't you have to pay a transfer and file a form 4 every time you order an accessory or replacement part for a form 4 manufactured suppressor? This will ultimately effect those parts and accessories too.

They've already changed the eform process to include the above listed requirement to submit photos of materials, equipment, plans, etc. without any public comment period or change to the federal register.

Many people have had their form 1 denied that haven't purchased any materials or made any plans yet.

Retroactively making form 1 suppressors that they've already approved into contraband is even more ridiculous.

With the new pistol brace and 80% regs coming, there's a good chance you'll have to have an FFL transfer for the typical non serialized parts of firearms as well.

Want a 9mm conversion barrel for your G23, a firing pin for your 1911, or a BCG for your AR-15? You'll have to send it to an FFL and pay a $35 transfer fee.

Mr. Dubi said:

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All you guys who bought on Christmas weekend piled into a giant queue. They announced the efile system prematurely, and put it online prior to testing and debugging. Add to that folks who were about buy, and those on the fence on as to whether to go ahead and buy jumped in all in that first week. That caused a giant bottleneck and will delay the whole shebang. I hope that we do see 90 day approvals in the near future, but I would not be surprised if the first efile's come back in more like 6-9 months.

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I'm in that group. Then the atf came back around in late Jan and said all the dealers were doing it wrong and made them do all of those submissions over again. It's gonna be a while.

It's a feature, not a bug.

A right delayed…..

e-Form filed 45 days ago. Waiting.

coleasterling said:

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aggieforester05 said:

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"...because they are now saying those parts and kits were suppressors all along and that the initial purchase was an illegal transfer making the current form 1 invalid."

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This isn't a "now" thing. It has always been the case. Any single part of a can is considered a full can. They just didn't do anything about it until now. Just like braces, keep pushing the envelope of what's legal, and they are going to push right back. Not saying I agree with them, but that's what happens.

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Not even close. An undrilled freeze plug is not a suppressor. A piece of tube is not a suppressor. As for the new rules, I thought this summarized it well…

" The thing you wish to register because it meets the requirements to be registered can't be registered because it's not registered. We have deemed your attempt to be a law-abiding citizen illegal, and are thus advising you not to notify us about further attempts to be lawful..."

Flesh out the "cant register it, its already an illegal can" crap.

Using same "logic", Cant make an SBR. If you already own a gun with a short barrel, your intent was for it to be an SBR and camt now be registered as an sbr because its already an illegal unregistered sbr…

Oh, I know.

And by the ATF logic, literally every single machine shop is an illegal producer of firearms now, because, well, they could potentially possibly maybe take a piece of bar stock and turn it into a suppressor.

The ATF is like Agent Smith in The Matrix - it is a program that has grown beyond the control of the feds in that they can arbitrarily interpret "law" however the hell they want with zero recourse. By definition, they are outside the bounds of the Constitution and need to die the same way they love to make their victims die - in a fire.

It's circular logic. Send us pictures of the materials you have purchased or intend to purchase to build a supressor; however, if you purchased the materials with the intent of building a suppressor before or after you form 1 is approved, then the purchase of the materials is/was an illegal transfer of a suppressor because they are parts intended to be used to make a supressor. The idea is that they make it impossible and/or very legally perilous to apply to build a supressor. They don't want people building supressors and they've figured out a way to make that happen. We can cheer on their attempt to throw people under the bus who push the boundaries, but this is more encompassing than that. You can be assured that Form 4 supressors are next on their list to regulate out of existence. They may not be able to outright ban certain products, but they'll make it so the red tape is so thick that it's not worth the risk/cost.

If you order a six inch piece of titanium blank that you plan to mill into a supressor using your personal CNC machine with an approved form 1, your purchase of that blank was an illegal transfer. You send them pictures of your raw materials and then get a knock on your door and boom your dog is dead and you're looking a felony charges.

According to the thread linked above, the GOA is going to file a lawsuit. Let's hope the courts get it right.

The seemingly obvious answer is to avoid purchasing any materials before hand, but one poster was denied anyway. Don't understand that one.

coleasterling said:

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The seemingly obvious answer is to avoid purchasing any materials before hand, but one poster was denied anyway. Don't understand that one.

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You would think, but they are requiring you to send them pictures of the materials at the time of application. You could maybe take pictures of full length pipes at home depot, but even after your stamp is approved, when you go to buy those materials, that would technically be an illegal transfer per their description. You've also sent them plans to build a supressor before you've been approved. Maybe they approve, maybe they consider the materials a supressor, deem your stamp illegal and arrest you. Common sense doesn't seem to apply here. Regardless, few people truly have the skill and equipment to build any kind of decent supressor from scratch.

coleasterling said:

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It really doesn't matter what you think, and they've made that very clear.

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Thats true.

I think "this is how its always been" when this is 100% a new thought crime power grab designed to shut down form 1 cans is a garbage take though.

coleasterling said:

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The seemingly obvious answer is to avoid purchasing any materials before hand, but one poster was denied anyway. Don't understand that one.

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The seemingly obvious answer is for the ATF to not have the authority to make and interpret law however the hell they feel like because it's Wednesday and their wife didn't give them the poon tang last night, so they are in a bad mood now and eveyrbody must now suffer.

aggieforester05 said:

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coleasterling said:

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The seemingly obvious answer is to avoid purchasing any materials before hand, but one poster was denied anyway. Don't understand that one.

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You would think, but they are requiring you to send them pictures of the materials at the time of application. You could maybe take pictures of full length pipes at home depot, but even after your stamp is approved, when you go to buy those materials, that would technically be an illegal transfer per their description. You've also sent them plans to build a supressor before you've been approved. Maybe they approve, maybe they consider the materials a supressor, deem your stamp illegal and arrest you. Common sense doesn't seem to apply here. Regardless, few people truly have the skill and equipment to build any kind of decent supressor from scratch.

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You truly underestimate both people, and how easy it really is to make a pretty quality suppressor from common materials in relatively short amount of time.

And "decent" is irrelevant, as there is nothing on the books that dictates the quality of sound suppression or weight or material of construction that qualifies as a suppressor or not.

A half ass machinist with a lathe and a drill press can make a pretty damn good suppressor out of raw materials in a surprisingly short amount of time. May not be the lightest, may not suppress that extra decibel or two compared to a high end manufacturer...but it works and will last a long time.