I almost feel stupid for writing this post but here's my request for info.

I've carried concealed for over 25 years. Either a Glock 23 in a Kramer Horsehide IWB, or my Shield in a Kydex IWB.

The world seems like it is getting crazier by the minute. So, I want a belt like a duty belt or maybe (I shudder to use the word) a tactical belt.

My house gun is a Sig P320. I want something I can quickly put on over my existing jeans and belt and carry my Sig on one side and a 2/3 mag holder on the other.

Give me some suggestions. I'm a buy once cry once kind of guy. I don't want cheap crap that will fail in an emergency.

Look at galls.com for nylon or leather duty belts and mag holders. Can also add belt keepers if you want

https://www.galls.com/galls-molded-nylon-duty-belt

Mag holders
https://www.galls.com/search/Mag%20hilder

I think first responders get a discount.

This one from GBRS Group is the new hotness.

https://gbrsgroupgear.com/products/gbrs-group-assaulter-belt-system-v2-multicam?variant=40732798976195

Add an Esstac Kywi mag pouch, Safariland holster, and holster adapter from True North Concepts and you're off to a good start.

DSG duty belt

You are looking for what is usually referred to as a war belt or battle belt. This thread has all the info you need. Scroll through look at all the pics, find a setup you like, and then research the brand.

(Note: this is a very old thread, started in like 2009, so the older posts have pictures that dont show up, and out of date info on the products. I recommend skipping to like page 90 or so, and start scrolling from there. That will get you into the year 2020)


https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/War-Belt-1st-Line-Picture-Thread/10-285299/

https://wiebad.com/1-5-tactical-belt/

Locally made in BCS by a pair of former students…they are the best

There seems to be a consensus right now around the "inner/outer" style belts. Ronin, Blue Alpha, GBRS and others are all making good ones. The basic concept is that the belt is two pieces with a female velcro inner belt that goes through your belt loop and a male velcro outer belt that is rigid and holds all your gear. Mating the velcro holds everything in place really well when you're moving around. You can take the outer belt on and off easily without messing with your pouches or pants.

Some of them come with a sheet of female velcro to "delete" the male velcro on the outer belt if you want to just throw it on without the inner belt. Good for bedside or in the truck. Sounds like this is the configuration you're looking for.

Here's John Lovell in the Blue Alpha Gear Belt:

TDCJ Museum Gift Shop - all leather

https://www.txprisonmuseum.org/product-page/duty-rig

That certainly won't attract any attention.

ETA: That rig is actually very similar to on worn by an old friend. Milton Wright was a retired Texas Ranger and later was Fort Bend County Sheriff. For public appearances he carried a 1911 in a rig like that.

If you haven't already, take a look at G-Code. I own and have used several of their holsters and mag carriers, and they are very high quality. They have belt options as well.

G-Code

As mentioned by others, the inner velcro belt that goes through your belt loops on your pants is really helpful in making a duty belt work well.

The clutch belt (created by unity tactical, also being sold by vertx) might be a better option for what you're looking at.

malenurse said:

---

The world seems like it is getting crazier by the minute. So, I want a belt like a duty belt or maybe (I shudder to use the word) a tactical belt.

---

Some of yall are so funny about words.

A lot of modern duty/(trigger warning)…tactical belts are designed to carry a ton of crap so they use the inner/outer combo, which is the best way to go for quick on/off for a lot of gear.

If you really just want a holster and mag pouch you could throw on without threading it through belt loops, You could probably get away with something like a wilderness 5 stitch, esstac mag pouch and just cinch it down tight as needed, as another option.

If you're building a "world is crazy" belt though, consider also having an ifak on it, IMO.

Unity option above looks interesting too.

Quote:

---

tactical belts are designed to carry a ton of crap so they use the inner/outer combo, which is the best way to go for quick on/off for a lot of gear.

---

Pretty much exactly what I intended to us it for.

Quote:

---

If you're building a "world is crazy" belt though, consider also having an ifak on it, IMO.

---

Again, that was in my plan.

My reluctance to use the term "Tactical" comes from the fact that I am 64, out of shape and fat. Putting tactical gear on me would be like putting lipstick on a pig.

I don't want to be "That Guy" at the range.

malenurse said:

---

I don't want to be "That Guy" at the range.

---

If you're worried about it, get everything in black and it'll look like you're either an old cop, or you shoot USPSA.

I do think if this is a "bump in the night" setup or something meant to be donned with a quickness, a belt that relies on an inner loop Velcro belt isn't ideal unless you start wearing a loop Velcro belt regularly.

NRH ag 10 said:

---

malenurse said:

---

I don't want to be "That Guy" at the range.

---

If you're worried about it, get everything in black and it'll look like you're either an old cop, or you shoot USPSA.

I do think if this is a "bump in the night" setup or something meant to be donned with a quickness, a belt that relies on an inner loop Velcro belt isn't ideal unless you start wearing a loop Velcro belt regularly.

---

Yup, speed vs how secure the belt will be is the decision piint for op. Old school tactical belts/war belts used suspenders+a belt instead of inner/outer belt. Faster, will carry more, less secure from bouncing around.

Plus stop worrying what other people think and do what works for you. Have you met people? People are dumb.

Quote:

---

Have you met people? People are dumb.

---

I'm an ER nurse.

Battle belt
War belt
First line rig
Etc
Bunch of names for it. Easy to setup.

Generally a holster, mags, IFAK, then whatever else you want.

malenurse said:

---

Quote:

---

Have you met people? People are dumb.

---

I'm an ER nurse.

---

Oh boy. Now I'm really not sure why you'd care what anyone thinks. You've seen way dumber stuff than tacticool.

NRH ag 10 said:

---

As mentioned by others, the inner velcro belt that goes through your belt loops on your pants is really helpful in making a duty belt work well.

The clutch belt (created by unity tactical, also being sold by vertx) might be a better option for what you're looking at.

---

I'll wager that very few of us on this board could conceal something going around our belly.

For everyday, regular concealed carry is more than sufficient for any scenario we will encounter. If we need 3+mags then the **** has already hit the fan and concealed or even lawful carry is out the window.

OP recommend you spend some time defining the mission as Varg Freeborn would put it. I don't think you have an material issue based on your description.

If you really want to get something along the lines of a war belt consider a army TAP or FLC. As someone who has to carry **** for work from time to time those are ergonomic-ish and cheapish. But my favorite belt is a crye MRB.

Blue star for Varg reference.

Naveronski said:

---

Battle belt
War belt
First line rig
Etc
Bunch of names for it. Easy to setup.

Generally a holster, mags, IFAK, then whatever else you want.

---

Got lower back pain just looking at that thing.

Always wanted a battle belt to carry in the truck when at the deer lease or property.
Seems like a quick way to load up with gear that I normally carry when walking deep into the woods (pistol, flashlight, mags, small bottle of water, cell phone, etc)
I hate having lots of stuff in my pockets and a back pack isn't as organized or accessible.

I believe the inner / outer belt setups require larger belt loops on pants which puts you into the tactical or duty pant world. Do they work with regular blue jeans?

My friend owns klik belts, awesome family owned company based here in texas. Would be worth a look.

Not necessarily - they make several different sized inner belts, and I'm sure you can find the size you need. Yes, there are some that would require larger loops, but I have one that I can put on any pair of jeans.

Do you have to have your shirt tucked in for the inner / outer belt system?

Seems the old style padded belt could just go on over a t shirt.

malenurse said:

---

I don't want to be "That Guy" at the range.

---

You've already told us you're an ER nurse, which means you've seen way more than your share of stupid ***** And you're worried about what people at the range are going to think about YOU?

Please.

After everything I've seen at all the ranges I've been to, as long as they are safe, they get a thumbs up from me. I don't care if they look like one of the Village People, Rambo without muscles or Matt Dillon. Not everything I've seen at a range is stupid unsafe crap, but some just crazy stuff.

In fact, I pretty much live my life that way: treat others well and look like/wear whatever the heck you want. Piercings, tats, tutus, whatever floats your boat. Beats the heck out of a jerk with a Ross Perot haircut in a Brooks Brothers suit.

I agree. It wouldn't conceal for me and I'm 5'11" 160.

I took the OP's post as wanting something for carrying more than a normal concealed carry amount of gear.

A standard LEO duty belt (from gtdist or galls) will work just fine with a typical men's leather belt and blue jeans as long as you use belt keepers. There is no need for an inner Velcro belt unless you are wearing a uniform and want to look squared away. Belt keepers are a must unless you don't mind the belt failing to your ankles.

At your age, with all the gadgets you will want on the belt and the frequency that you will wear it, you will suffer from lower back pain when wearing the belt. Guaranteed.

If you must insist on a belt, choose one with suspenders and a looser fit. Something along the lines of the old 782 deuce gear. You can carry all the gadgets you want and distribute the load such that you reduce the chance of back ailments.

I'd go with a load bearing vest rig and NOT have anything hard mounted to my waist. You can throw it on fast and take it off faster.

Dont forget shark spray!

Nothing silly about it at all.

I still have my old Galls belt from my TDCJ days. (I must respectfully disagree with the recommendation of leather above though) They build those for looking like Joaquin Jackson, not for utility and hard use. Yes, they look cool but I'd stick to nylon/synthetic if this is for what I think its for.

Makes it easier to throw on etc for if/when we get to a situation where we are way past giving a rip about concealed carry.

BenderRodriguez said:

---

malenurse said:

---

The world seems like it is getting crazier by the minute. So, I want a belt like a duty belt or maybe (I shudder to use the word) a tactical belt.

---

Some of yall are so funny about words.

A lot of modern duty/(trigger warning)…tactical belts are designed to carry a ton of crap so they use the inner/outer combo, which is the best way to go for quick on/off for a lot of gear.

If you really just want a holster and mag pouch you could throw on without threading it through belt loops, You could probably get away with something like a wilderness 5 stitch, esstac mag pouch and just cinch it down tight as needed, as another option.

If you're building a "world is crazy" belt though, consider also having an ifak on it, IMO.

Unity option above looks interesting too.

---

This here.

I took a trauma/medical class this past year for that very thing. I have Ifaks/tourniquets in my trauma bag now that rides in my truck. Much more advanced than a first aid kit. Not just for this situation either. Good stuff to know
for car crashes/farm/ranch accidents etc.

Now, I would at least be able to keep someone from bleeding out when before would have been a helpless bystander.

I've been very happy with the Versacarry Ranger belts. Based in Bryan. Solid, THICK leather that can be worn as an everyday belt without looking like a wanna be soldier...

I've got 3. Two for OWB (black and brown) and one for IWB.