Edited: I explain down further in my post.

My neighbors dog got out once and I had him on my cams but seemed to be a one time thing. Perhaps his just got out and its a one time thing too. I wouldnt go looking for him unless it was really a problem and you saw them over and over again or your parents heard shots fired very close. I would give the benefit of the doubt since he did come knock on the door.

There are Fannin's in Franklin. The head football coach is a Fannin, you may start there.

Great post, would read again

...Trying to get the OB to find Sliced Bread again.....

It wasn't Giddings and John Wayne, was it?

It wasn't a TDCJ guard and inmates looking for escaped dogs, was it?

Inmates looking for dogs? That's a twist.

CanyonAg77 said:

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Inmates looking for dogs? That's a twist.

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It happens. Trusee's, or "dog boys" as they're called.

What in the wide world of sports is goin on in here?

Sorry for my removed post. Not long after I posted, we found the guy and I wanted to get him a chance to tell his side. Unfortunately it wasn't too impressive.

The jist of the story: Some guy got permission from a neighboring property (only about 200 acres) to run dogs for pig hunting. The dogs (not him) came on my property (this same thing happened last year that I caught on camera but I didn't know who he was until now). He later stopped by to ask access permission from my elderly parents who still live on the place, by which they politely declined. By the time my parents called me it was too late to talk to the guy.

I'm sure most will wonder why I'd not enjoy someone doing me a favor by running off the hogs even if stirring up the deer. That isn't the point and while I'd normally agree, for years I have been cultivating and investing in the wildlife on this property for hunts (deer and hogs) for only very special people. My wife and I are part of a foundation (Outdoor Dream Foundation) that takes terminally ill kids and their siblings (no grown-up shots) on hunts. Our own young son was a benefactor of this foundation and was the spark that got us involved. We decided to "rest" the place this season and not fire a single shot in order to host easier hunts for kids this coming year. We aren't a "high-fence" candidate and as B&C/P&Y trophies are not so much our purpose as it is to make easy access for modest deer (and hog) hunts for kids that have a tough time with mobility (many are in wheelchairs) or staying out long. Investing in such fences just to prevent poaching doesn't seem like the right thing to do (yet).

So, when I did get in touch with the guy, his posture and comments was along the line of:

"I asked permission and since your parents said 'no' I didn't personally go on your place, only my dogs did and I couldn't control them as they were on the run"

"I'm doing people a favor keeping hogs off their hay fields"

"I have permission from other nearby ranches and every right to be out there"

"Relax. I can promise you that it is my goal to not have my dogs go on other peoples property"

"Don't worry. I don't plan on coming back until next year"

"I'm sorry if your feelings were hurt"

"We didn't come on your property and if my dogs did, it was only on the edge or slightly inside" (my cameras show otherwise and I know his tracking app showed that not to be true).

"Don't worry about the deer. They were spooked but I assure you they will be back"

In the end, I was cordial this time (I won't be the next) but suggested that he find larger parcels to run dogs so that his problem doesn't continue to turn into my problem. I've watched several piglets in a herd over the past several months grow into a perfect plump size and was about to put a 9-year-old girl on them later this week when it warmed up. I had to tell her yesterday that our plans are now delayed. I know they aren't my pigs but the property they "were" routinely running on is. They will be back, but not for a few weeks or months thanks to this bozo. And with some of these kids (thankfully not this one), this can be an eternity.

What property is in front of the round fired from my rifle is my responsibility. Same should go for a man's hunting dogs.

You got a point call your friendly GW. He might know what is appropriate for the next time.

Typical of hog dog'ers. Until I had done it, I had no clue how far a hog could run before being bayed. They know it's going to happen but don't care.

Surely you set coyote traps on your property, right? Great time of year for it.

Got almost word for word the same crap from a guy running greyhounds after coyotes, and driving his pickup across my plowed fields and on a neighbor's pasture.

He seemed genuinely amazed that I didn't want his idiot @$$ on my property, nor his dogs. He also couldn't believe I didn't want him molesting my coyotes.

When I talked to the game warden, found out that the same guy had a reputation for running his dogs all over the damn place, and had been caught shooting guns somewhere, so that rounds were passing over a nearby house that was having a cookout.

Bottom line, there is a "type" that does this, and they are incorrigible.

Jbob04 said:

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There are Fannin's in Franklin. The head football coach is a Fannin, you may start there.

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Your lead was correct. Thanks!

Can you shoot dogs like this in this case?

Have seen it happen from the deer stand during season.

bassmaster07 said:

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Can you shoot dogs like this in this case?

Have seen it happen from the deer stand during season.

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No. Very illegal if caught.

Texas is a very pro-dog state and you can not shoot a dog on your property.
In another state that I've hunted, it is legal, and almost expected, to shoot a dog that is chasing game on your property.
I've had only minor instances of dogs on my property but it seems to be affecting people more as land gets fragmented and population increases.
Will be interesting to follow in the coming years

River Bass said:

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Texas is a very pro-dog state and you can not shoot a dog on your property.
In another state that I've hunted, it is legal, and almost expected, to shoot a dog that is chasing game on your property.
I've had only minor instances of dogs on my property but it seems to be affecting people more as land gets fragmented and population increases.
Will be interesting to follow in the coming years

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If attacking or threatening livestock you can. Conibear traps also kill what they catch. Very effectively.

River Bass said:

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Texas is a very pro-dog state and you can not shoot a dog on your property.
In another state that I've hunted, it is legal, and almost expected, to shoot a dog that is chasing game on your property.
I've had only minor instances of dogs on my property but it seems to be affecting people more as land gets fragmented and population increases.
Will be interesting to follow in the coming years

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You can shoot them if harassing livestock

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bassmaster07 said:

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Can you shoot dogs like this in this case?

Have seen it happen from the deer stand during season.

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No. Very illegal if caught.

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When does it become legal?

Something about shooting and shoveling…

Watchful Ag said:

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meggy09 said:

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bassmaster07 said:

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Can you shoot dogs like this in this case?

Have seen it happen from the deer stand during season.

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No. Very illegal if caught.

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When does it become legal?

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What sort of possible fine are we talking about here? Or is it more one of the "confiscate all your guns" sort of thing?

Hog hunting with dogs

Dog guy should not be on your property without asking and trespassing is trespassing.

Having said that...I have been where I was perfectly legal with my dads dogs and had a busy body neighbor come over on a 4 wheeler cussing at me for running dogs where I had written permission.

We got it resolved...but......not all dog men are bad and I think this thread is taking a bit of an unfair hound man turn. There is a LOT of land, currently owned by city come to country people where hounds ran for a hundred years before the 10acre "ranch" that is there now.

I've seen a pack of hounds run right by deer and the deer MIGHT go 20-30 yds. Tops. They do not leave the county.

Sounds like the guy you dealt with was an idiot, for sure. BUT a lot of "hunters" and hunting stand on the shoulders of hound men that came before us.

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There is a LOT of land, currently owned by city come to country people where hounds ran for a hundred years before the 10acre "ranch" that is there now.

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the funny thing about trash that was just recently put in the dumpster vs trash that has been sitting in the dumpster for awhile… it's still trash.

O.G. said:

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not all dog men are bad and I think this thread is taking a bit of an unfair hound man turn. There is a LOT of land, currently owned by city come to country people where hounds ran for a hundred years before the 10acre "ranch" that is there now.

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What does this have to do with anything? Wether a person owns 10 acres, 100, 1000, etc. is it not their property? And if they don't want dogs running it, that's their right, sorry for the poor dogs that used to roam more.

Honestly seems like a pretty nice hog hunter based on this board. Seems most just follow their dogs wherever they go, whether they have permission or not. I can't control where they go, but I have to get them....

Edit: not defending the hog hunter, I agree with the OP. Just making an observation

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Honestly seems like a pretty nice hog hunter based on this board. Seems most just follow their dogs wherever they go, whether they have permission or not. I can't control where they go, but I have to get them....

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Agreed. Unless this becomes a regular occurrence this seems like a pretty small thing to get so worked up about.

In states where coon hunting and bear hunting with dogs occurs it is commonplace and the cultural norm for this to happen. Some states even have laws that allow them to retrieve the dogs off private property.

I'm with the OP.

Keep yourself and your animals off my property unless you have permission.

If you can't shoot dogs running animals on your property, how would the GW/the law react to a hog dog getting into a snare and dying?

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O.G. said:

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There is a LOT of land, currently owned by city come to country people where hounds ran for a hundred years before the 10acre "ranch" that is there now.

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the funny thing about trash that was just recently put in the dumpster vs trash that has been sitting in the dumpster for awhile… it's still trash.

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100% agree. The developers that come in and cut up ranches into 5-10acre tracts, then sell them to Austinites who then put up No hunting signs every 30ft are indeed trash.

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Watchful Ag said:

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bassmaster07 said:

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Can you shoot dogs like this in this case?

Have seen it happen from the deer stand during season.

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No. Very illegal if caught.

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When does it become legal?

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What sort of possible fine are we talking about here? Or is it more one of the "confiscate all your guns" sort of thing?

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Third degree felony for animal cruelty, unless the dogs are injuring or about to injure "livestock, domestic animals, or fowls."

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Easy, Rod said:

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O.G. said:

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There is a LOT of land, currently owned by city come to country people where hounds ran for a hundred years before the 10acre "ranch" that is there now.

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the funny thing about trash that was just recently put in the dumpster vs trash that has been sitting in the dumpster for awhile… it's still trash.

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100% agree. The developers that come in and cut up ranches into 5-10acre tracts, then sell them to Austinites who then put up No hunting signs every 30ft are indeed trash.

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You seem hell bent on bringing up 10-acres (something all of us would agree with) in attempt to derail the discussion into something that has nothing to do with what happened. I can assure you there are no little 10-acre developments for many miles from where this happened.