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SanAntoneAg
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10:33p, 11/26/21
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Not to get into semantics but panther, mountain lion, cougar and puma are all the same thing.

Melanomism is possible with a big cat, just like it is with any other mammal.
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In reply to tsuag10 • 10:56p, 11/26/21
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tsuag10 said:
Panther = Black

Mountain Lion/Cougar/Puma = Not Black


Correct??


A little racist
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11:21p, 11/26/21
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One night, in 2003, I saw a large black cat dart across the road outside of Plantersville.

My guess about 50-70 lbs.

Remember the long tail, and it was fast.

No reason to lie, it was not a bobcat and it was the size of a lion but black.

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In reply to SanAntoneAg • 12:33a, 11/27/21
SanAntoneAg said:
Not to get into semantics but panther, mountain lion, cougar and puma are all the same thing.

Melanomism is possible with a big cat, just like it is with any other mammal.

Pretty sure genetic testing shows that mountain lions lack the gene to be melanistic.

Apart from the extremely slim chance of an escaped exotic pet, which would be a melanistic jaguar or leopard, it's a biological impossibility to see a black panther/mountain lion/puma/cougar or whatever hell name you want to call it.
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In reply to Ag 11 • 1:36a, 11/27/21
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Ag 11 said:
Thats a smiling gorilla
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7:52a, 11/27/21
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https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/species/mlion/

Contrary to popular belief, there are no black panthers in North America; no one has ever captured or killed a black Mountain Lion. Mountain Lions are also called cougars, pumas, panthers, painters, catamounts, and aoudads.
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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 8:03a, 11/27/21
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ttha_aggie_09 said:
tsuag10 said:
Panther = Black

Mountain Lion/Cougar/Puma = Not Black


Correct??
In North America, you're only going to have 2 big cats. The mountain Lion/puma/cougar (Latin name I believe stands for "cat of one color") which is almost exclusively one tan/brown color. I don't have a link to the study but remember that the gene that produces a melanistic mountain Lion, was essentially non-existent and the odds of it happening were somewhere in the 1:5-10MM.

The other big cat is the Jaguar. While they used to roam around Texas, you won't be seeing any of them unless you get in wayyy south Arizona or in Mexico. They're normally spotted but I believe they can and do have black phases.

The Black Panther is not on this continent but is somehow subject to mostly east Texas folklore as real thing in the wild in Texas. I don't know how it originated, probably a damn house cat as mentioned above, but it is constantly passed around without a single shred of evidence, ever…


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In reply to dcbowers • 8:32a, 11/27/21
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It wouldn't help. We'll still have this same discussion a few times each year.
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In reply to AgEng06 • 8:43a, 11/27/21
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This! It's actually good for "profiling" purposes (insert Ricky Bobby Jazz Music .gif)

Another interesting tidbit I just found while searching for genetic study I read years ago, is that there was apparently something known as the Yana Puma in Peru. It was solid black and twice the size of a regular puma. It appears to only be documented in native folklore and cryptozoology, if that tells you anything

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In reply to ttha_aggie_09 • 8:46a, 11/27/21
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I saw a couple at a voting location this year.....
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In reply to Gunny456 • 8:47a, 11/27/21
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In reply to AgEng06 • 8:47a, 11/27/21
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Just like the buzzards that pick up peoples little poodles.
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In reply to PA24 • 9:00a, 11/27/21
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PA24 said:
One night, in 2003, I saw a large black cat dart across the road outside of Plantersville.

My guess about 50-70 lbs.

Remember the long tail, and it was fast.

No reason to lie, it was not a bobcat and it was the size of a lion but black.


My guess is that your guess is about 40 lbs off
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9:11a, 11/27/21
I caution against taking up Black Panther hunting. That type of activity has generally been frowned upon since 1865...
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In reply to TarponChaser • 9:28a, 11/27/21
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TarponChaser said:
SanAntoneAg said:
Not to get into semantics but panther, mountain lion, cougar and puma are all the same thing.

Melanomism is possible with a big cat, just like it is with any other mammal.

Pretty sure genetic testing shows that mountain lions lack the gene to be melanistic.

Apart from the extremely slim chance of an escaped exotic pet, which would be a melanistic jaguar or leopard, it's a biological impossibility to see a black panther/mountain lion/puma/cougar or whatever hell name you want to call it.


Interesting on the genetic lack of melanism in mountain lions. A quick google search seems to confirm this.
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9:38a, 11/27/21
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Panther/cougar/mountain lion, whatever you want to call it….

Pretty sure I'd puma pants if I saw any of them
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10:26a, 11/27/21
Family farm is on the Arroyo and I wish the older generations were still living to ask but I don't anyone has seen a jaguar since the '40s. Last confirmed sighting I heard of, in the Valley, was on the Santa Ana refuge in the late '80s.
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In reply to SanAntoneAg • 10:54a, 11/27/21
I think there are probably a decent number of mountain lion sightings in places people wouldn't think possible as overall conservation efforts and habitat loss forces them into closer contact with people but we have to be rational about it.

I mean, if you're talking about a sighting someplace, let's say west of 35 & 6 in an area that butts up against a lot of rural land in more inclined to have an open mind. But if you're talking about a golf course in Cinco Ranch or even up in Frisco I shall be rather dubious of the claims.

And I don't care about the legends of your grandpappy seeing/hearing black panthers in some holler in Cass County, I'm gonna know you don't know what you're talking about.

That being said, with all the development, I wonder if the Cat Lady still prowls Thompson's Bottoms down near Richmond.
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In reply to longeryak • 10:55a, 11/27/21
longeryak said:
Family farm is on the Arroyo and I wish the older generations were still living to ask but I don't anyone has seen a jaguar since the '40s. Last confirmed sighting I heard of, in the Valley, was on the Santa Ana refuge in the late '80s.


You mean 1880's right? Because I'm pretty sure the last confirmed jaguar sighting in Texas was in like 1907.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 11:08a, 11/27/21
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1948: https://wildtexashistory.com/the-last-jaguar-in-texas-1948/
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3:29p, 11/27/21
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Steiner Ranch Steakhouse on Thursday nights.
Feeding time starts around 8:30 with prime hunting conditions around 10.
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5:54p, 11/27/21
The big cats typically run with the chupacabra so if you are seeing those there is a good chance you've got a lion.
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In reply to TarponChaser • 5:08p, 11/28/21
TarponChaser said:
longeryak said:
Family farm is on the Arroyo and I wish the older generations were still living to ask but I don't anyone has seen a jaguar since the '40s. Last confirmed sighting I heard of, in the Valley, was on the Santa Ana refuge in the late '80s.


You mean 1880's right? Because I'm pretty sure the last confirmed jaguar sighting in Texas was in like 1907.
1980s and straight from the mouth of a Ranger that was stationed at Santa Ana refugee at the time.
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In reply to longeryak • 10:54p, 11/28/21
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Did he smell like liquor?
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12:03a, 11/29/21
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You need dogs.

Internet Search, and call an Outfitter in Western Colorado, and ask them how they hunt mountain lions, they'll almost always be happy to ablige.

The owner of this one is Tor Haywood. He is probably the most connected person on the entire western slope.

http://haywardranchoutfitters.com/

ETA I know some people who do it, and they told me they tree the cat with dogs, and shoot them.
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12:20a, 11/29/21
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Someone does not read OB.

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In reply to Ag 11 • 7:35a, 11/29/21
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Ag 11 said:
My wife's dad's friend's cousin sees them all the time out there. And he's been outdoors all his life


And he lives next door to the game warden!
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7:43a, 11/29/21
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Cartel types love exotic animals on their ranchettes. With some of our recent Houston area ranch neighbors, absolutely nothing would surprise me to see on my game cameras.

One recent new neighbor owns a chain of Houston area pet stores and seems to do a lot of business. And I don't think he's hauling dogs in the special made custom trailers.

Never say never.
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