Pricing/Selling Antique and Older Firearms

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agstudent
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I have a decent sized collection of pistols, rifles, and shotguns from the late 1800's up through the 1960's. I've gotten to the point where I no longer have any room for the guns I actually shoot, so I'm looking to sell some of the ones I don't. I've got everything from a very early Model 94 Winchester to ornately engraved JP Sauer and Sohn double barrel shotguns to Colt Derringer dueling pistols.

Never really thought I'd get to this point, but I have, so now where do I start? I had about 30 of them appraised 10 or 15 years ago by Burdett and Sons for insurance purposes, but haven't had any new ones appraised since then, and I'm not sure how much prices have fluctuated since then either. I've got a couple of older Blue Books, but several of the German guns are impossible to look up as they aren't a specific model. I'm secretly hoping for an all-in-one solution, but I'm willing to do it one at a time if I have to. Anyone got any suggestions? (And yes, I will post them here when the time comes!)
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If you have any WW2 era military weapons I can help provide you some pricing numbers. I'm not an expert, just a collector.
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AnScAggie
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Talk to Mike Cook at Cook-Winston in Boerne.
http://www.cookwinston.com
He's my friend and I buy my guns through him.
chocolatelabs
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Any Pre 64 Winchesters by chance?
agstudent
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Red Pear Realty said:

If you have any WW2 era military weapons I can help provide you some pricing numbers. I'm not an expert, just a collector.
Only WW2 era military I have is a Nazi p38. Figure it is worth about $900 or so. That sound about right?
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chocolatelabs said:

Any Pre 64 Winchesters by chance?

No Model 70s. I've got a Model 94 that was manufactured in 1895. Also have a couple of Model 42's - one manufactured in 1935 and the other in 1954.
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agstudent said:

Red Pear Realty said:

If you have any WW2 era military weapons I can help provide you some pricing numbers. I'm not an expert, just a collector.
Only WW2 era military I have is a Nazi p38. Figure it is worth about $900 or so. That sound about right?


That's probably about right. Depending on the markings it has and if numbers matching, it could be worth more or slightly less. What are the markings on the side of the weapon? Letters and numbers?
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Oh yeah and condition. Pitting, loss of bluing, cracks in the grips, etc can all make it worth less.
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Here's my P38. The AC stamp means that it was produced by Walther, and the 42 underneath means it was produced in 1942. Also, the waffenampt (dirty bird) with number 359 indicates that it was accepted by the Nazi Army from Walther (correct proof marks for an AC marked gun) The Nazis were playing games to try and hide their production numbers, so the serial number, 2047 f, would have been the 6th production run of 10,000 of these that year by Walther. Overall this one is in decent shape but you do see some wear at the muzzle and other places. Oh, and check to see if the decocker works, because a lot of them don't and that does affect value. I like guns with stories, so that would actually add value for me, but most people would pay you less for a disfunctional decocker. If you shoot me a picture of yours I can help you research it, and if you decide to sell maybe we could come to an agreement that's fair for all.



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agstudent said:

Red Pear Realty said:

If you have any WW2 era military weapons I can help provide you some pricing numbers. I'm not an expert, just a collector.
Only WW2 era military I have is a Nazi p38. Figure it is worth about $900 or so. That sound about right?
This is kind of a loaded question so the answer is "it depends". The WWII guns, especially German military arms, have a lot of variations. Some are much more valuable than others simply because of on rarity. (Think 2-10 times more valuable.) You need to really do your research to keep from getting fleeced.

The older German sporting guns are hard to price, but so are many less common U.S. models. I like pre-war German shotguns and have several. Even though they are made by Sauer, Merkel and Simson, very few records survived 1945 and the subsequent Soviet occupation of the Thurlinger/Suhl region. It all depends on desirability, bore/caliber and features. Collectors might be interested in a 2 1/2" or 2 9/16" chambered sporting shotgun but shooters, not so much.

Gunny456
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Lots of variations of the 1894. A collector can make a whole collection of just that one model. I trade and collect older lever Winchesters and some Model 52's. Would be glad to help you with a value of the older lever Winchesters if I can. Watch for people that will not hesitate to take advantage.
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I get what you mean, but I think 10x on a P38 is a bit of a stretch. I'd say for Lugers or PPKs, 2-10x is definitely possible depending on the rarity, but for the most part, an average P38 goes for around $1,000. If you sell to a dealer you'll get less. And if it's a family war bring back, I wouldn't sell at any price.

Most of the P38's on this site below sell for the mid $1,000 range, but there's definitely a premium on these. I bought the P38 above at Collectors this year for right at $1,100. The most expensive P38 Legacy has for sale is $2,650 and they've had it a while.

https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/hand-guns/p-38s/zero-series-walther-p-38-matching-magazine-13869.html

On the Luger front, they have several priced more than $10,000, and I've seen party leader PPK's sell well above $10,000 there. P38s are priced more affordable because they are more plentiful because the average Nazi officer/non-comm carried them for battle use, not the PPK or Luger (more common with the SS). Here's a cool article with some battlefield pics of the P38 (and some pics of a Walther P38 that was made not too long after mine):

http://www.historic-firearms.com/walther-p38.html

If you'd like to buy Hitlers personal shotgun, Legacy has that for sale as well. I'm too poor to even ask about pricing.

https://www.legacy-collectibles.com/hitler-s-presentation-drilling.html
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92AG10
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No I get it, I was referring to the German guns in general. But even with P-38s, the little thing can make for big swings in value. If you collect long enough, you will learn those differences the easy way or the expensive way.

I love Legacy and raise you.

A P-38 that sold for a bit more than 10x
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For sure. And that's a legit p38 specimen.
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Any drillings?
agsalaska
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Any Colt or S&W revolvers?
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