Specifically an S&W AR-15 sport with trade of my little used Howa 22-250 varmint/small deer rifle for $400 difference. I feel the AR is an upgrade in home protection and can be used for deer and pig hunting if I ever go again.

Buy one, keep the other

I am really glad I sold those firearms - said no gunowner, ever.

As said eloquently above, why not have both?

big ben said:

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Buy one, keep the other for trade for toolbox

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Yes, you should get an AR.

Not sure on bolt gun pricing but that M&P is on the lower end of the AR spectrum price wise, so just be sure you're not getting hosed on a trade by a guy claiming its worth $1k or something.

I didn't read the OP but the answer is yes

BenderRodriguez said:

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Yes, you should get an AR.

Not sure on bolt gun pricing but that M&P is on the lower end of the AR spectrum price wise, so just be sure you're not getting hosed on a trade by a guy claiming its worth $1k or something.

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Agreed here. Is this a dealer trade in? That's... pretty typical of dealer type trades. M&Ps will probably be around $750 right now, so if you have a $600 howa.... it'll be about $300 trade in and you'll pay $450. That's... normal. If you're talking a friend to friend... and he's saying that the M&P is $1000... he needs to be reevaluated as a friend, haha.

Kentucky Gun Co. has the M&P Sport for $630 shipped, and a complete Anderson AR, with 4 mags, for $470 shipped.

TheEyeGuy said:

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big ben said:

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Buy one, keep the other for trade for toolbox

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Just a courtesy bump so you know it was not missed.

PSA has some pretty solid,deals,on uppers and lowers righ now.

If you are going to be out $400 on this trade, keep the Howa and spend a hundred more and get you a complete AR. Better deal for you.

Didn't EyeGuy have some grab bag ARs coming up?

Here's my .02 regarding the M&P. If you're never going to touch them, they're fine. I upgraded mine and now they cost more than they're worth. Had the money been spent up front, I'd now have 2 ARs that would be worth more than was spent on them. Unfortunately, my FIL bought them for my 2 boys without consulting me first so at least I'm only in them for the upgrades. Personally I'd call EyeGuy first

How much you want for the 22-250?

Trading the Howa and a Heritage .22 LR/Mag for $388 TTL difference on M&P AR-15. Gun store trade. AR listed at $779.00. Really don't need the Howa and Heritage 22 is lesser of other 22LR pistols I own. Just a novice and the AR world is new to me.

The answer is always yes!

Especially if you want to take a chance on a pistol

schmellba99 said:

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PSA has some pretty solid,deals,on uppers and lowers righ now.

If you are going to be out $400 on this trade, keep the Howa and spend a hundred more and get you a complete AR. Better deal for you.

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matureag said:

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Trading the Howa and a Heritage .22 LR/Mag for $388 TTL difference on M&P AR-15. Gun store trade. AR listed at $779.00. Really don't need the Howa and Heritage 22 is lesser of other 22LR pistols I own. Just a novice and the AR world is new to me.

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How much for both the pistol and 22-250?

I need a rifle for my 7 YO this year. Will hopefully get his first deer this year.

This setup right here would be a better gun. You can get a cheaper combo for $450 + tax and shipping, but the below setup gives you the sights, hand guard, magpul stock/handgrip, and enhanced polished trigger that would all cost you money down the road to upgrade.

PSA EPT MOE Lower $209

PSA 16" Upper M-LOk guard and sights $419.99

PSA builds.

I sold a gun once. Now I don't have that gun. I will never make that mistake again.

.22-250 will penetrate many common steel armor plates.

Also, feral hogs on Nextdoor.

I have deleted and retyped this a couple of times now.

The answer is probably yes. But understand that hunting with a 5.56 out of an AR platform is not the same as a 22-250 with what I am assuming has a 3x9 on it.

Is a .223 enough for deer. Sure. I mean this is the OB and we kill literally thousands of deer every year with the .223. But it is quite a bit less powerful than a 22-250. And the sights will also be completely different. Hunting with an AR 15 in .223 takes a lot of practice and is more limiting in shot selection than just about everything else you could own.

I don't say that to discourage you, and you mention 'small deer' and 'If I ever go again' so I don't get the sense that it is any priority. But if you do you need to really get to know that gun and use very specific ammunition.

aggieforester05 said:

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This setup right here would be a better gun. You can get a cheaper combo for $450 + tax and shipping, but the below setup gives you the sights, hand guard, magpul stock/handgrip, and enhanced polished trigger that would all cost you money down the road to upgrade.

PSA EPT MOE Lower $209

PSA 16" Upper M-LOk guard and sights $419.99

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We'll probably have to agree to disagree but I don't consider that a "better" gun. It has more features, sure. But the part quality on the M&P is better. Comparing Red Delicious to Granny Smith apples here.

matureag said:

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Trading the Howa and a Heritage .22 LR/Mag for $388 TTL difference on M&P AR-15. Gun store trade. AR listed at $779.00. Really don't need the Howa and Heritage 22 is lesser of other 22LR pistols I own. Just a novice and the AR world is new to me.

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So first of, the dealer is probably being fair.

That being said... I bet you can get $500 without breaking a sweat selling them here as a package. Maybe $600, depending on the howa. Then use that towards a either the M&P at your dealer, the PSA build that was mentioned if you want those features, OR... wait until Monday and I'll have "Grab Bag PLUS" guns listed for $750. These are genuinely nicer than our previous Grab Bags... and I just hired a new gunsmith/cerakoter and will be doing a special price on cerakote for these if you wat something really cool.

agsalaska said:

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I have deleted and retyped this a couple of times now.

The answer is probably yes. But understand that hunting with a 5.56 out of an AR platform is not the same as a 22-250 with what I am assuming has a 3x9 on it.

Is a .223 enough for deer. Sure. I mean this is the OB and we kill literally thousands of deer every year with the .223. But it is quite a bit less powerful than a 22-250. And the sights will also be completely different. Hunting with an AR 15 in .223 takes a lot of practice and is more limiting in shot selection than just about everything else you could own.

I don't say that to discourage you, and you mention 'small deer' and 'If I ever go again' so I don't get the sense that it is any priority. But if you do you need to really get to know that gun and use very specific ammunition.

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Agree here. And full disclosure, two biggest bucks I ever shot were with a 223, and both went down immediately, but the second was such a "if the moon and planets hadn't aligned perfectly" situation that I would have just wounded the big boy and I said never again. That being said, if you ever do decide to get into hunting deer again, it's easy to get a cheap 270 with scope for $500 or so usually so maybe think that way and still do the switchout.

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Should I buy...

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Stopped reading here. The answer is yes.

Central Committee said:

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I am really glad I sold those firearms - said no gunowner, ever.

As said eloquently above, why not have both?

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Oh... I don't know about that....

Get a 6.5 grendel. Then in the future you can add another upper of your choice that will fit the same lower. 556,6.5, 300blk, they all fit the same lower. I'm a wylde chamber guy since I have tons of both 556 and 223.
Grendel is a great load for your kid and a super round in general. Are you here in CS?

Yes

John Cocktolstoy said:

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Get a 6.5 grendel. Then in the future you can add another upper of your choice that will fit the same lower. 556,6.5, 300blk, they all fit the same lower. I'm a wylde chamber guy since I have tons of both 556 and 223.
Grendel is a great load for your kid and a super round in general. Are you here in CS?

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Problem with 6.5 Grendel right now is ammo. Hard to find.

I ordered everytbing today to build a 6.5 upper, but sourcing brass, projos and dies was a lot more effort. Looked at ammo, but it wasnt any easier to get.

Same here. I have a build in my safe that hasn't been shot yet. I've got about 2 Doz Hornady Black BTHP, but, I'll save them for hog hunting with my Grendel SBR which is already sighted in. That one could be a paperweight too by October

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'Hey Eye Guy

I'll take one of your grab bag Plus with the cerakote on it. Let me know

I would keep the 22.250 and buy an AR 15 to compliment it.

Id keep hunting deer with the 22-250 but practice a lot with the AR.

All you need for home defense is a pump shotgun.

schmellba99 said:

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Problem with 6.5 Grendel right now is ammo. Hard to find.

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Yuuup. It's a great choice for someone who only wants one AR that can "do it all".

If we weren't in such a craptastic ammo crunch.

Just get a 5.56 if you plan on shooting it at all in the next year.

retzy said:

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'Hey Eye Guy

I'll take one of your grab bag Plus with the cerakote on it. Let me know

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We're inventorying parts right now. Will post them up this weekend.