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9:37a, 12/10/20
My older daughter is interested in .22 precision shooting. The .22 Marlin Model 60 we have is nice, but for a couple reasons, are looking at other options. Some that I have come across are:

  • Vudoo Gun Works V-22
  • CZ 457 Varmint Precision Chassis
  • Bergara B-14 R .22 LR

Does anyone have any experience with any of these?

Also, for precision .22 ammo, is ELEY Tenex the way to go (target shooting)?

Thanks!
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In reply to mhnatt • 9:45a, 12/10/20
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Vudu seems to be the standard these days. I don't own one but heard nice things.

Snipers hide has a write up and resources.
https://www.snipershide.com/precision-rifle/vudoo-gun-works-custom-rifles-and-the-v-22-700-footprint-22lr-action-review/
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In reply to mhnatt • 10:02a, 12/10/20
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Look at Volquartsen rifles & SK ammo when you're researching.
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In reply to mhnatt • 10:05a, 12/10/20
mhnatt said:
My older daughter is interested in .22 precision shooting. The .22 Marlin Model 60 we have is nice, but for a couple reasons, are looking at other options. Some that I have come across are:

  • Vudoo Gun Works V-22
  • CZ 457 Varmint Precision Chassis
  • Bergara B-14 R .22 LR

Does anyone have any experience with any of these?

Also, for precision .22 ammo, is ELEY Tenex the way to go (target shooting)?

Thanks!


So FYI I have a 11lb bench rest style rifle I'm willing to part with if that is of any interest to you.

Eley Tenex is good stuff but in my experience with my bench guns Wolf Match Extra tends to perform just as good for half the cost. I think they're actually made by Eley...

You'll want to shoot subsonic ammo too, or at least standard velocity. HV breaks the sound barrier (twice at the right distances) disrupting flight path. Sub sonic or standard is more consistent.
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In reply to mhnatt • 10:22a, 12/10/20
I would recommend you look into Anschutz rifles as well. This is the brand most used by Olympic and World Cup shooters, who by the way are some of the best shooters on the planet, and who spare no expense when choosing their equipment. Feinwerkbau and Walther also make excellent .22 match rifles, but they are extremely hard to find in the US.

Tenex isn't the only high-level match .22lr (Lapua has some in that level too), but when I lived and competed in Europe, it was the most popular amongst international-class shooters. Probably still is, but I haven't kept up. However, the odds of your daughter having the skills to extract that extra level of performance from Tenex is probably zero. Don't take that as an insult. I say this because Eley, along with RWS and several other manufacturers, make different levels of .22lr ammo, some of which are of a very high grade and capable of more accuracy than most people can extract. It's your money of course, but most people wouldn't start off with .22 that was designed for Olympic-class shooters and that costs $20 a box, when there is truly excellent ammo you could get for half that price.

Also, some rifles won't shoot any better with a high-level ammo than they will with a mid-level ammo. The CZ I used to have was like that. It wouldn't shoot any better with Eley Rifle Match than it would with RWS Rifle, unlike my Anschutz which would shoot noticeably better with increasingly better ammo, and would therefore run rings around the CZ. I would recommend trying some mid-level match ammo, as you might find that it suits your needs very well, and would save you a great amount of money.

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10:48a, 12/10/20
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Ok, so a couple key things here that some, especially Caladan have touched on but we need to know. You mentioned target shooting... what kind? Are we talking 4H Three Position? Silhouette? Something else? That makes a huge difference and it's very much like race cars. You can buy a drag racer, but that is going to be a horrible car for NASCAR.

In regards to ammo, the best thing is to get the gun and take it out and pattern it with different target grade ammo. Every 22lr is different and likes different ammo. You can take five of the same gun and try ten different types of 22lr rounds and you'll find that all five behave differently to the point that you could very realistically have each gun liking a different brand of ammo. Welcome to the 22lr world.
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11:48a, 12/10/20
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I was going through this myself earlier this year and narrowed my search down to Vudoo and Rim-X.
Of course, I decided on both. My Vudoo should be coming in any day now but I haven't ordered the Rim-X yet. I want to shoot the Vudoo first and see what I do and don't like about it before I build on the Rim-X action.
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3:53p, 12/10/20
Thank you all for the extremely helpful advice.

@phideaux_2003: Thank you for the tips. Yes, we prefer subsonic for that, noise and the distance we plan to be at. We'll try Wolf Match Extra in our testing.

@Caladan: Thank you for the helpful input. Agreed on the skill level influence. Right now the skills are low (she is is 10 but has been shooting for about 3 years). We just want to eliminate the low-hanging fruit of upgrading equipment as long as the costs aren't too bad. We learned real quick that we were wasting time trying out different ammo on sub-quality .22 rifles. For example, I recently bought her an AR-style Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 and after many different kinds of ammo, realize that that gun is more for AR training and "fun" spray plinking than it is for accuracy or precision.

@EyeGuy: You are right on what kind of shooting. She isn't yet in 4H and all of her shooting prior has been hunting out of the stand, some bird hunts, varmint hunts, and bench plinking. Now she wants to spend more time on things like silhouettes (I hear there is some sort of silhouette shooting club in College Station for young kids?) and longer range from the bench. Not competitive yet but it looks like something we want to check out.

To add some background, her younger sister has been one-upping her in hunting and she wants to work on her long range/precision skills.

@CatcusThomas: you mentioned you ordered the Vudoo early this year? How long did your order take and what are the specs you chose and why?

Thanks again!

I'm Hope this helps and thanks
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mhnatt said:
Thank you all for the extremely helpful advice.

@phideaux_2003: Thank you for the tips. Yes, we prefer subsonic for that, noise and the distance we plan to be at. We'll try Wolf Match Extra in our testing.

@Caladan: Thank you for the helpful input. Agreed on the skill level influence. Right now the skills are low (she is is 10 but has been shooting for about 3 years). We just want to eliminate the low-hanging fruit of upgrading equipment as long as the costs aren't too bad. We learned real quick that we were wasting time trying out different ammo on sub-quality .22 rifles. For example, I recently bought her an AR-style Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 and after many different kinds of ammo, realize that that gun is more for AR training and "fun" spray plinking than it is for accuracy or precision.

@EyeGuy: You are right on what kind of shooting. She isn't yet in 4H and all of her shooting prior has been hunting out of the stand, some bird hunts, varmint hunts, and bench plinking. Now she wants to spend more time on things like silhouettes (I hear there is some sort of silhouette shooting club in College Station for young kids?) and longer range from the bench. Not competitive yet but it looks like something we want to check out.

To add some background, her younger sister has been one-upping her in hunting and she wants to work on her long range/precision skills.

@CatcusThomas: you mentioned you ordered the Vudoo early this year? How long did your order take and what are the specs you chose and why?

Thanks again!

I'm Hope this helps and thanks
So, in regards to a silhouette gun, a custom 10/22 would be a better option than a bolt gun. I say this as someone that used a bolt gun for silhouette meets. Now, it's going to be a challenge to get her to slow down with a 10/22, but it'll be a better setup in the long run. I would not, however, use a 10/22 for 3 position and would go straight to Anschutz on that.
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In reply to mhnatt • 4:24p, 12/10/20
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My vudoo build was quoted an estimated 12-14 weeks. I went with 20" kukri, Foundation Genesis stock, TT Diamond trigger and 40moa base.
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In reply to TheEyeGuy • 4:28p, 12/10/20
TheEyeGuy said:
So, in regards to a silhouette gun, a custom 10/22 would be a better option than a bolt gun. I say this as someone that used a bolt gun for silhouette meets. Now, it's going to be a challenge to get her to slow down with a 10/22, but it'll be a better setup in the long run. I would not, however, use a 10/22 for 3 position and would go straight to Anschutz on that.

One of the reasons why I'm moving her away from the M&P 15-22 is to slow her down. I can see why a bolt just slow for silhouettes but we like the idea of her really getting into some long(er) range target (paper) shooting and onto 3 position soon.

We like the Vudoo Apparition chassis. They seem versatile/adjustable (especially for youth) but also look similar to what we see with some precision shooter friends of ours that have inspired her. It appears the Anschutz 710 XLR HB is similar?

I'm also looking at some of the Nightforce (NX8 ?) scopes for this if you have any suggestions. Or would a Competition SR Fixed be something to aim towards in case she gets competitive? Ugh this gets expensive!

Thanks again for any advice for us newbies!
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4:38p, 12/10/20
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I haven't kept up enough the last few years to see all the new hotness in .22 precision rifles posted above. I did, however, stumble on Christensen's Ranger 22 the other day and my heart skipped a beat. I don't know if it was the rifle, the price point, or the setting (72 k20) - but I bookmarked it....

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In reply to Centerpole90 • 4:46p, 12/10/20
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I haven't kept up enough the last few years to see all the new hotness in .22 precision rifles posted above. I did, however, stumble on Christensen's Ranger 22 the other day and my heart skipped a beat. I don't know if it was the rifle, the price point, or the setting (72 k20) - but I bookmarked it....

Nice rifle AND truck (1982-ish Dodge?)
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mhnatt said:
(1982-ish Dodge?)
OMG BIT YOUR TONGUE!!

72 3/4 ton 4x4 Chevy




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In reply to Centerpole90 • 4:53p, 12/10/20
Centerpole90 said:
mhnatt said:
(1982-ish Dodge?)
OMG BIT YOUR TONGUE!!

72 3/4 ton 4x4 Chevy

LOL! :P It looked 70's (steering wheel) but then the seat belt latches threw a curveball at me. The clutch/brake pedals made me think Dodge. Also the AC levers looked more modern than a 72. Showing off my ignorance. Sorry for the sidetrack!
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5:02p, 12/10/20
Unless you're willing to pay $0.30/rd for precision ammo (pre kungflu and election years) you are wasting money on a Vudu.

Unless you intend to shoot well past 100 yards, you are wasting money on a Vudu.

Dubi's KIDD precision 10/22 will shoot 1/2 MOA at 50 yards with bulk Federal Automatch, tighter still with CCI SV
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5:40p, 12/10/20
I've always wanted a KIDD
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In reply to nealan • 6:01p, 12/10/20
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I've always wanted a KIDD
Yeah.... me too. I ended up settling for a 10/22 w/a suppressed TacSol barrel that will shoot 1/2 MOA out to 50 yards with RWS Rifle and Eley Target. I put it in a Hogue stock. It's not my most accurate.22, but it is the rifle I most like to shoot. I do believe it would hold well under MOA out to 100 yards on a still day, but I haven't benched it at that distance.

I was actually quite surprised at how good the TacSol barrels are.........

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In reply to mhnatt • 6:08p, 12/10/20
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but we like the idea of her really getting into some long(er) range target (paper) shooting and onto 3 position.
Do you mean ISSF three position? That's the only 3-p I am familiar with.
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So, make sure you have the right tool for the job, right?

Instead of bumping all the way up to something super high end, I'd say get a sporter style bolt gun. If you can find an old Remington 541T, that would be a superb option (my favorite gun out of all of mine that I own, and I have some stupidly awesome crap squirreled away). Another to look at would be a CZ 457. They make all sorts of variations on that and the one with the AT One stock would be on my short list. Get her one of those, let her start running some of the stuff you're looking at with it. When she's learned trigger discipline, build her a 10/22 for silhouette. Let her run the bolt gun with silhouette for now, but then when she's ready get the 10/22. Then, if she gets into true blue 3 position, get her an anschutz.

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Also, bergara has a badass little 22lr out now. I think it's not as popular as they hoped (just timing of the market... they dropped that thing right as covid was flaring up and not many people are looking for a upper mid level low high end 22lr bolt gun right now)
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10:44a, 12/11/20
Thanks EyeGuy, Caladan, and Dubi. There is a lot to take in and I believe you are right, at our level/experience, we should ease into this at a mid-range to lean the ropes. Thanks!!
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Centerpole90 said:
mhnatt said:
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OMG BIT YOUR TONGUE!!

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With a manual transmission for real men.
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11:23a, 12/11/20
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If you're not wanting to jump into a Vudoo or Ultimatum/Defiance for 22PRS/NRL, a CZ is great starting point. Anschutz would be my go to for 3 position, but not for 22PRS/NRL. The mags are expensive and you're gonna want a pile of them for that style shooting. But I won't lie and say that I have been tempted AF to buy an Anschutz 1727 to run in PRS/NRL 22 just for swings and other speed oriented stages.

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