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Aggieangler93
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ElAmericano said:

I hunt near Lampasas but a little closer to Austin. I pay $1500 a year to hunt on 1000 acres year round with ~ 10 other people, but they are not around too often. All game is county bag limits. Decent turkey and great deer numbers. No hogs, yet. Decent tanks with fish. I supply my own feeder and blinds. No other real amenities except a tripod to clean a deer and a well with a water hose.
If I was looking, I'd personnaly pay ~$2k a yr for the lease OP is describing.
I will say that this amount is much more in line with what I could likely pay, having a kid in college and one in high school. But not blaming the OP for getting as much as he can for his place. How did you find this one?

Also, OP, I am not sure I would do any more night hunting with those cattle on the place. That sounds like a recipe for disaster. That's my 2 cents on it anyway.
Class of '93 - proud Dad of a '22 grad and a '26 student!
OE_Ag11
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Similar question to the OP. What would a similar sized place in Huntsville with a lake and a cabin be able to be leased for?

Would provided year round access to the land and access to the hunting cabin during deer season.

Don't really have to many feeders and such set up now but have plenty of natural food for the deer and some pretty big heards of does and have got some good bucks on cam. With all my traveling haven't been able to hunt as much as I have wanted to.
BurnetAggie99
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kenneu Give me a shout Myself and Dad work for Pedernales Electric Coop. Be interested in talking with you about the lease opportunity. My Dad is looking for a place to take grandkid. Burnetag99@gmail.com

Live in Burnet County and close Lampasas. Anything around 1,000 to 1,500 is reasonable rate. 2k max but that's in the high end. It's not South Texas those saying 3 to 6k thats way over priced.


Lampasas is a restricted county for Bucks. ONE may have an inside spread of 13 inches or greater. A legal buck deer is defined as a buck deer with: at least one unbranched antler; OR an inside spread of 13 inches or greater (does not apply to a buck that has an unbranched antler). A hunter may also take ONE buck with an inside spread of 13 inches or greater in a different county with antler restrictions, and not to exceed that county's bag limit.
TxSquarebody
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OP, I'm originally from Lampasas but haven't lived there in 25 years. Would like to discuss leasing your 70 acre for just me and my son. 979-two two 0- seven thousand.
SanAntoneAg
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ElAmericano said:

I hunt near Lampasas but a little closer to Austin. I pay $1500 a year to hunt on 1000 acres year round with ~ 10 other people, but they are not around too often. All game is county bag limits. Decent turkey and great deer numbers. No hogs, yet. Decent tanks with fish. I supply my own feeder and blinds. No other real amenities except a tripod to clean a deer and a well with a water hose.
If I was looking, I'd personnaly pay ~$2k a yr for the lease OP is describing.


You've got a great deal. Congrats.

Edit: I'd be spring turkey hunting that deal each weekend.
Gig 'em! '90
BioAg2007
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I'd be interested in that one, live in College Station. Text or call 979-595-4304. Is definitely be interested in leasing.
OE_Ag11
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Have no idea on valuation. So was trying to feel out what sort of price we would be looking at.

Soonest might be the 2020 season. Will have some thinning logging operations this year.
daniel00
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OP: I would have thought $2k-3k before we saw those higher suggested prices. The size of the property is what would make me think lower, and the fact that once you add regular hunters, you might start seeing fewer deer. I agree with those who said that offering a family deal with a max number of total deer taken is your best bet. It's often hard to get three or four related hunters on one property, and you normally pay per gun. But if you let a family hunt with multiple hunters but a max of 4-6 deer or whatever, you offer a great option for many parents/children or grandparent/parent/children. Allowing a whole group increases the value, but you can still limit total deer taken based on what you think the property can support.


OE_Ag11: If you have enough deer, I would tend to think price would be about the same as the OP, with similar terms. But maybe someone else would know more about whether you can get a higher price for being so close to Houston.

Both: you can always aim high and lower the price if necessary. Or you can just really look for the right family that you feel confident you can trust and find the price that works for them.
O.G.
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ElAmericano said:

I hunt near Lampasas but a little closer to Austin. I pay $1500 a year to hunt on 1000 acres year round with ~ 10 other people, but they are not around too often. All game is county bag limits. Decent turkey and great deer numbers. No hogs, yet. Decent tanks with fish. I supply my own feeder and blinds. No other real amenities except a tripod to clean a deer and a well with a water hose.
If I was looking, I'd personnaly pay ~$2k a yr for the lease OP is describing.
This is a lot more in line with reality. $5000 is way too high for 70acres, I dont care where it is. For that same money you can get on a lease with a lot more land if you are willing to search. Anyone dumb enough to pay that kind of money for 70 acres is going to be a prima donna and a pain for the landowner. I've seen this movie too many times.
ItsA&InotA&M
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My 2 cents.
$2,500. Lessee provides feed and equip, and pays utilities.
1 hunter. Guests must be family members and the number and type of deer are limited to lessee's license. Eg 1 ar buck etc. Lessee must be on lease when guests are hunting.
BioAg2007
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No problem. Just save my number and if you decide to lease it, contact me please. Thank you
gigemJTH12
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damn. thats really good.
AgEng06
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ElAmericano said:

I hunt north of Lampasas near Goldthwaite. I pay $1875 a year to hunt on 1000 acres year round with ~ 8 other people, but only about 5 of us use it often. All game is county bag limits. Low turkey and great deer numbers. No hogs, yet. Decent tanks with fish. I supply my own feeder (blinds are group property). Other amenities: barn w/ living quarters (heated and cooled, bathroom, shower), tripod to clean a deer and a well with a water hose.
SInce ElAmericano already wrote this out, I just FIFY'd it to fit my situation.
BanderaAg956
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kenneu said:

Holy smokes! Thanks guys! If I can one family for that kind of return, I'd do it in a heartbeat and give them an annual as long as we can agree on number of bucks/does and that there are a handful of days *I* can go out there and shoot a hog. I have no interest in shooting the deer and leave that to others. Obviously I'd prefer an aggie and hopefully a veteran as well since I get two healthy doses of likely "good guy" that way. I won't be ready for anyone this season just yet as we have some "technical issues" to wrap up.

-Ken


I'd offer $3,000 for a family deal. 4 in the family with only 2 real hunters.
kenneu
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Thank you all again for the input - I appreciate it greatly. I'm not ready just yet to entertain offers so please don't post your emails or numbers as I don't want to see you have scammers calling you. As I said, I've got to get the cattle gone first or at least make sure I pick out some shooting lanes that have clear sight all the way back so there aren't any incidents as I'll be on the hook for any cattle injury or death.

When I finally get ready to take offers, it will go like this:

Family only - not interested in competing hunters or drama
Prefer bow only first to not annoy the neighbors
Second would be bow or suppressed only
Third would be open gun but someone is going to have to pay absolute top dollar

Ideally I don't want to have to keep filling my feeders all year on my nickel but will continue to do so to keep traffic high. It sounds like Lampasas hunter limits are pretty solid so I'd say I'd limit the family to lesee's tags only to keep the impact on the population relatively low. That said, there are a LOT of whitetail. I walked the entire property this afternoon and saw probably 25 or so running around. Bucks are now chasing the ladies, lol.
GSS
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Why go with "bow", to not bother the neighbors, when the intial post stated "no neighbors/civilization"?
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agneck
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Sneeze on 70 acres and you won't have a deer back on the place for three days
Alta
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My two cents - I wouldn't lease it for hunting. If I bought 70 acres I'm not going to get enough money from leasing it to deal with the hassle of hunters. Or if there was one or two weekends a year I wanted to go hunt I'd like that opportunity without seeking permission. I rather have it sit and be a bit of an unpressured sanctuary for the few times I could get out there or for when I could start to utilize the property in a couple of years.
kenneu
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I don't plan to do much with it the first couple of years so a lease makes sense to me. As far as bothering the neighbors I'm not really worried about the sounds as there really is only one house to worry about and they aren't hunters. I just don't want it to sound like a war zone.

As far as sneezing on 70 acres and not seeing deer for three days? I know you are speaking metaphorically, but it is nothing but acreage or farmland all around. How would that be any different than 3 active guns on 300? Have you ever hunted a smaller property?

I sold my 60 acres a couple years ago that was similar but a little too far. I took hogs and whitetail and both were back on the same feeder the next day and sometimes the same night. Heck I shot a 200+ lb boar and fell asleep in the stand and my motion sensor woke me up about an hour later. Another boar came up sniffed the dead one, and proceeded to eat corn. I popped him, too.

Now, if hunting pressure exists all around, It would make sense but I drove the nearby properties and didn't see a single blind or stand but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

Once I have some time to build a cabin, I'll definitely NOT lease or allow anyone on it.
oklaunion
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kenneu:
Not to derail your post but I hunt in Lampasas county, north of the airport. Live creek and lots of burr and live oaks with some open areas. Deer are thick. An adjacent landowner who has a couple of thousand acres is splitting up his place into 200 acre plots and the land next to our place supposedly is going to have an asking price of 5K/ac. All interested parties who own land close by think this is outlandish but my belief is that it will sell fairly quickly.
Hard top road frontage, some utilities available at road. What is your opinion since you just bought land? Thanks.
ghollow
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kenneu you should look into getting your place under wildlife exemption instead of ag exemption. Same tax break but you don't have to worry about having livestock on the property.
kenneu
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oklaunion said:

kenneu:
Not to derail your post but I hunt in Lampasas county, north of the airport. Live creek and lots of burr and live oaks with some open areas. Deer are thick. An adjacent landowner who has a couple of thousand acres is splitting up his place into 200 acre plots and the land next to our place supposedly is going to have an asking price of 5K/ac. All interested parties who own land close by think this is outlandish but my belief is that it will sell fairly quickly.
Hard top road frontage, some utilities available at road. What is your opinion since you just bought land? Thanks.

I would say that 5000 per acre is a little high for 200 but not outrageous by any means. Someone just bought 1600 10 mi north of lampasas and paid about 4650 per. I think that was high for that amount of land but it was exactly what he was looking for. If the land is in good shape and has oaks, a tank, and a mix of topography, then that's probably fair. The cost of septic, water, and sewer must be factored into the overall cost as these will set you back a good bit even when averaged per acre.

Keep in mind that if you go south, people are asking 20K per acre inn liberty hill, 15k in bertram and 10K in burnet. Suddenly 5k is a steal for only going another 15 minutes from austin.

In 5 years, you'll be lucky if you can get good land in lampasas for under 7500...
oklaunion
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Good info. Thanks for the follow up and good luck with your place.
AgNColorado
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I'm a landowner in the area and I've just about decided hunters aren't worth the headache. OP I would just enjoy the land and not bring anyone else into the mix.

More people more problems. Especially if they are paying.
Mas89
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kenneu said:

oklaunion said:

kenneu:
Not to derail your post but I hunt in Lampasas county, north of the airport. Live creek and lots of burr and live oaks with some open areas. Deer are thick. An adjacent landowner who has a couple of thousand acres is splitting up his place into 200 acre plots and the land next to our place supposedly is going to have an asking price of 5K/ac. All interested parties who own land close by think this is outlandish but my belief is that it will sell fairly quickly.
Hard top road frontage, some utilities available at road. What is your opinion since you just bought land? Thanks.

I would say that 5000 per acre is a little high for 200 but not outrageous by any means. Someone just bought 1600 10 mi north of lampasas and paid about 4650 per. I think that was high for that amount of land but it was exactly what he was looking for. If the land is in good shape and has oaks, a tank, and a mix of topography, then that's probably fair. The cost of septic, water, and sewer must be factored into the overall cost as these will set you back a good bit even when averaged per acre.

Keep in mind that if you go south, people are asking 20K per acre inn liberty hill, 15k in bertram and 10K in burnet. Suddenly 5k is a steal for only going another 15 minutes from austin.

In 5 years, you'll be lucky if you can get good land in lampasas for under 7500...
That all depends on what the overall economy does. Ranch land without major improvements in much of the hill country was under 1,000 per acre as recently as the early 2000s. The huge run up in the last 15-20 years I understand in areas of urban sprawl but in most areas farther out, land prices will drop like a hill country rock when/if the economy gets in trouble.
As this thread demonstrates, the only income for most of these rural properties is hunting lease and grazing. In most cases this is much less than a one percent return on the investment at today's land prices.
BurnetAggie99
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I agree you can put up some panels with Tpost around the feeders to keep the cattle off the feeders and deer can jump into.
Trinity Ag
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kenneu said:

oklaunion said:

kenneu:
Not to derail your post but I hunt in Lampasas county, north of the airport. Live creek and lots of burr and live oaks with some open areas. Deer are thick. An adjacent landowner who has a couple of thousand acres is splitting up his place into 200 acre plots and the land next to our place supposedly is going to have an asking price of 5K/ac. All interested parties who own land close by think this is outlandish but my belief is that it will sell fairly quickly.
Hard top road frontage, some utilities available at road. What is your opinion since you just bought land? Thanks.

I would say that 5000 per acre is a little high for 200 but not outrageous by any means. Someone just bought 1600 10 mi north of lampasas and paid about 4650 per. I think that was high for that amount of land but it was exactly what he was looking for. If the land is in good shape and has oaks, a tank, and a mix of topography, then that's probably fair. The cost of septic, water, and sewer must be factored into the overall cost as these will set you back a good bit even when averaged per acre.

Keep in mind that if you go south, people are asking 20K per acre inn liberty hill, 15k in bertram and 10K in burnet. Suddenly 5k is a steal for only going another 15 minutes from austin.

In 5 years, you'll be lucky if you can get good land in lampasas for under 7500...
I got distracted from your post as I was trying to multiply 1600 x $4650.
kenneu
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Yep, a bit over 7 million for the property. Land won't be going back to 2K/acre in Lampasas, lol. It would take something like the great depression. You can't make "more" land. They might retreat a bit during a recession - perhaps 20% but they won't go down any more than than and on recovery will come right back and keep screaming along upward.

Lampasas is an hour out from the outskirts of Austin. That's by no means "out in the sticks" by any stretch of the imagination.

Austin is the fastest growing area in the nation. Williamson county grew 30% last year. Lots of tech. Lots of money. Urban sprawl is already happening with the fastest growing zip code in the entire Austin metroplex is 78641. Leander. About a 50 minute drive from there to Lampasas. The highway 29 corridor between Leander and Georgetown has, literally, dozens of 500K+ homes in development.

Take what you want from all that data, but Land in Lampasas is "cheap" relative to what it will be even in 5 years if there isn't a catastrophic recession.
IamGroot
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oklaunion said:

kenneu:
Not to derail your post but I hunt in Lampasas county, north of the airport. Live creek and lots of burr and live oaks with some open areas. Deer are thick. An adjacent landowner who has a couple of thousand acres is splitting up his place into 200 acre plots and the land next to our place supposedly is going to have an asking price of 5K/ac. All interested parties who own land close by think this is outlandish but my belief is that it will sell fairly quickly.
Hard top road frontage, some utilities available at road. What is your opinion since you just bought land? Thanks.
I have a place on School Creek off CR 2275 next to a place like you describe. Might be neighbors.
We have had several really good deer years, but this year was the best I can remember.
kenneu
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I appears you are probably about 5 miles west of me. Did you recently buy the place? The area looks familiar for some reason... I'm on the other side of 281. I don't know the history of whitetail in Lampasas but comparing to my old place in Milano, the deer are healthier both in size and number on my new place. They also clearly aren't feeling any pressure as they are out in broad daylight all day long including even the larger bucks. On my place in Milano, they wouldn't come out until dusk and were mostly nocturnal. They'd leave the corn on the ground if I ran the feeder mid-day.
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