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Rudyjax
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meggy09 said:

Deats said:

I was killing deer, gutting fish, camping, hiking and tramping across Texas when you where still in your dad's balls.

I now have kids that I stand up for. It is what it is.


I don't care one way or another about bow fishing, but you're argument is stupid, entitled, and what's wrong with so many public spaces.


Having respect for other people is stupid, entitled, and what's wrong with many public spaces?

It's not common courtesy to think, there are people sleeping right there, perhaps we should be quiet and not shine lights?
Log
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To be up front, not a fan of people taking a trophy sized gar and then dumping it to rot. There are plenty of other native and exotic (aka carp) fish that will provide hours of entertainment without detrimentally hurting populations. Pisses me off to see Joe Bob posting a pic with a 200# gar hanging in a tree that is shortly thereafter going to become buzzard food.

Hence the TPWD finally getting involved. Hopefully this will result in something with some weight behind it.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/fishboat/fish/management/alligator-gar/
Rudyjax
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Most of the gar I saw today were under 2 feet. The biggest was about 4 feet.
ttha_aggie_09
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Well, this thread exploded.

1) A lot of people don't understand Alligator Gar and/or their diets, so they assume they're killing everything... not true

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According to Dan Bennett, a fisheries biologist with the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department, studies have proved that these gar pose no real threat to gamefish populations. "The majority of their diet consists of rough fish, like carp and shad," Bennett said. "They're opportunistic feeders, so they're going to eat what swims within reach of the bottom. Bass are stationary, which means a gar would have to hunt them down. Most of the gar we sampled actually had empty stomachs."


2) Alligator Gar have a very slow reproduction cycle

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Alligator gar are slow to mature; they usually don't spawn until they are about 10 years old. Spawning typically takes place in shallow areas of flooded vegetation when springtime water temperatures exceed 68 degrees


3) yes, they're edible and don't taste bad at all.

Nature is a funny and often misunderstood thing... people love to hate on animals they don't understand. Snakes, Coyotes, Bobcats, Gar, etc. all serve a purpose in their ecosystems, but that purpose is generally cloaked by false information that is extremely persuasive and often unchecked.

I'm not advocating that we should implement any sort of ban on Alligator Gar fishing but do find it interesting that TPWD enacted restrictions on Alligator Gar ... why would this be if they serve no beneficial value to the ecosystem and are a threat to the more popular game species?

Remember, there are also plenty of people that swear black panthers exist in Texas, rattlesnakes don't rattle because of hogs, and that any black snake near water is a water moccasin... I think it is fair to say that "Alligator gar DECIMATE the fish population", can also be added to this list.

Sources:
https://tpwd.texas.gov/huntwild/wild/species/alg/
https://www.fieldandstream.com/articles/fishing/2016/08/seven-myth-busting-facts-about-alligator-gar#page-5
Rudyjax
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Deats said:

I was killing deer, gutting fish, camping, hiking and tramping across Texas when you where still in your dad's balls.

I now have kids that I stand up for. It is what it is.


I still hate you for getting carded when I didn't. Of course, I was the age you are now. So ha!
aggielostinETX
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What a ****ty game...
Rudyjax
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Deats said:

What a ****ty game...


Yeah. That was ***** But I had a good time.
ursusguy
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Wow. Yeah, our underatanding of gar diets have changed a lot over the years.

And yes, some of us do actually eat bobcats and coyotes if they are killed around us...hince, I don't kill many (used to) and folks won't usually say much about it. Otherwise that second bowl of yummy chili you are chowing down on may be Canis latrens chili.
BoerneGator
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Gar are a trash fish just like carp, buffalo, talapia, etc. There's nothing wrong with shooting them.
They are NOT trash! They are commercially fished in every lake in Texas!

There is nothing wrong with shooting them. It's the subsequent WASTE of them that is unethical and should be punished.

But then, I feel the same way about the waste of wild hog meat, although their nuisance factor renders them a target, and "fair game", thus difficult to regulate, so not exactly the same.
BoerneGator
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Deats said:

I was killing deer, gutting fish, camping, hiking and tramping across Texas when you where still in your dad's balls.

I now have kids that I stand up for. It is what it is.
While I'm clearly on your side of this argument, I can say the same thing about you, yet I'm certain that argument carries no weight where it concerns me and you. See the irony there? That should sting just a mite.
aggielostinETX
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BoerneGator said:

Deats said:

I was killing deer, gutting fish, camping, hiking and tramping across Texas when you where still in your dad's balls.

I now have kids that I stand up for. It is what it is.
While I'm clearly on your side of this argument, I can say the same thing about you, yet I'm certain that argument carries no weight where it concerns me and you. See the irony there? That should sting just a mite.


Your obsession is noted
giddings_ag_06
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ursusguy said:

Wow. Yeah, our underatanding of gar diets have changed a lot over the years.

And yes, some of us do actually eat bobcats and coyotes if they are killed around us...hince, I don't kill many (used to) and folks won't usually say much about it. Otherwise that second bowl of yummy chili you are chowing down on may be Canis latrens chili.
I'm pretty sure if you ever try a TexAgs get-together at your place, you don't need to worry about providing food. I'm sure everyone would gladly bring their own.
Aggie1205
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So are the sport gar bowhunters the water equivalent of the people that shoot coyotes and hang them on the fence along the highways?
HarleySpoon
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giddings_ag_06 said:

ursusguy said:

Wow. Yeah, our underatanding of gar diets have changed a lot over the years.

And yes, some of us do actually eat bobcats and coyotes if they are killed around us...hince, I don't kill many (used to) and folks won't usually say much about it. Otherwise that second bowl of yummy chili you are chowing down on may be Canis latrens chili.
I'm pretty sure if you ever try a TexAgs get-together at your place, you don't need to worry about providing food. I'm sure everyone would gladly bring their own.
Others of us would be polite and simply grin and bear it.
giddings_ag_06
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HarleySpoon said:

giddings_ag_06 said:

ursusguy said:

Wow. Yeah, our underatanding of gar diets have changed a lot over the years.

And yes, some of us do actually eat bobcats and coyotes if they are killed around us...hince, I don't kill many (used to) and folks won't usually say much about it. Otherwise that second bowl of yummy chili you are chowing down on may be Canis latrens chili.
I'm pretty sure if you ever try a TexAgs get-together at your place, you don't need to worry about providing food. I'm sure everyone would gladly bring their own.
Others of us would be polite and simply grin and bear it.
Suckers
HarleySpoon
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This thread caused me to "read up" a bit on alligator gars. Saw this which was surprising:

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The eggs of alligator gar are bright red and poisonous to humans if ingested.
BoerneGator
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Aggie1205 said:

So are the sport gar bowhunters the water equivalent of the people that shoot coyotes and hang them on the fence along the highways?
Not even! There have been (and likely still are) bounties placed upon coyotes in order to control their populations when/where they become abundant and an economic nuisance. But in fairness, they likely do share certain personality traits.
BoerneGator
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Deats said:

BoerneGator said:

Deats said:

I was killing deer, gutting fish, camping, hiking and tramping across Texas when you where still in your dad's balls.

I now have kids that I stand up for. It is what it is.
While I'm clearly on your side of this argument, I can say the same thing about you, yet I'm certain that argument carries no weight where it concerns me and you. See the irony there? That should sting just a mite.


Your obsession is noted
Obsession?!

Your arrogance is exceeded only by your ignorance of it.
redass1876
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Alligator Gar is a game fish. Shooting and leaving is wanton waste and therefore illegal.

Other gar species are not game fish

Pretty ****ing clear for those of you saying to shoot photo and leave is fine. Now go crawl back into your hole
Jason C.
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Natives used gar scales for projectile points.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/315665515_AN_EXPERIMENTAL_EVALUATION_OF_GAR_SCALE_ARROW_POINTS
ttha_aggie_09
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Let me update my spreadsheet...

Divisive and controversial topics of the OB:

Pit bulls
Neck/Head shots
Beans in Chili
Snakes - to kill or not to kill?
Alligator Gar

What else am I missing?
HarleySpoon
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Let me update my spreadsheet...

Divisive and controversial topics of the OB:

Pit bulls
Neck/Head shots
Beans in Chili
Snakes - to kill or not to kill?
Alligator Gar

What else am I missing?

Beans in chili? Does that really have a significant number of Aggies in favor of beans in chili? Seriously shocked that this board wouldn't line up 90% on the "no beans" side? Surely, surely not......
ttha_aggie_09
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Didn't say I was in favor of it, just noted the controversy. Your response is confirmation.
ursusguy
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Love beans in chili.

One of the issues on the far front is a lot of guys can't tell the different species apart.
Betoisafurry
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Bow fishing is for flat bill wearing, jacked up dodge driving, luke bryan listening d-bags. and coonasses.

How's that for gasoline.
RickSawyer
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ttha_aggie_09 said:

Let me update my spreadsheet...

Divisive and controversial topics of the OB:

Pit bulls
Neck/Head shots
Beans in Chili
Snakes - to kill or not to kill?
Alligator Gar

What else am I missing?


Fat side down
Finn Maccumhail
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RickSawyer said:

ttha_aggie_09 said:

Let me update my spreadsheet...

Divisive and controversial topics of the OB:

Pit bulls
Neck/Head shots
Beans in Chili
Snakes - to kill or not to kill?
Alligator Gar

What else am I missing?


Fat side down
1990AG
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this thread proves that Texags will argue about literally anything....
AgsMnn
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ursusguy said:

Wow. Yeah, our underatanding of gar diets have changed a lot over the years.

And yes, some of us do actually eat bobcats and coyotes if they are killed around us...hince, I don't kill many (used to) and folks won't usually say much about it. Otherwise that second bowl of yummy chili you are chowing down on may be Canis latrens chili.


Can't believe it took Page 2 before the Ursus has eaten it comment and it actually took Ursus to post it.
ursusguy
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Well, I've said it before.
schmellba99
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LBM-Aggie-2014 said:

Deats said:

LBM-Aggie-2014 said:

Deats said:

After running into some of these *******s bow fishing gar on PK under spotlights, have no respect for them.


So someone doing something lawful that you don't agree with makes them an a-hole because you "ran into them"?
Nah. When we asked them to extingquish spot lights and maybe tell the other boats/tourney organizers to possibly avoid 1/2 mile shorline b/c we had 200 dads and kids under 5-9 trying to sleep at midnight at Camp Grady Spruce, we were told to **** off b/c it was some big $$, yeah it was them being *******s.



This sounds like something a homeowners association president/housewife would say.

It's a public lake. They had a tournament going on. Do you really think that someone fishing a tournament will go out of their way to AVOID fish that they're on because someone wants to sleep?

If this were not a tournament and it was just some weekend warriors, I'd probably side with you. I think you're being unreasonable.
So....where did you place in the tournament?

And please let us know the next time you are going bowfishing. I want to make sure a bunch of jet skiers and air boat enthusiasts are enjoying the public water right next to you. Public lake and all.
ursusguy
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Ironically, he could call the Game Wardens on a Sportsman's Rights Act violation.
Furlock Bones
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exactly
Ol Jock 99
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The extremely recent combination of super-highpowered-super-lightweight-super-portable lights plus compound bows will lead to the basic extinction of big alligator gar within a "few" years.
Texas Tea
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ursusguy said:

Love beans in chili.
I imagine so. Probably helps mask the coyote flavor.
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